Sinema Leaves Democratic Party

[cannabineer]

Yes.

The Little-Known Story of 19th-Century America's Partisan Warfare

In a new book, Smithsonian curator Jon Grinspan examines the history of America's furious and fractious politics

www.smithsonianmag.com

19th century?

( oh come on! meme here)

 

[PJ Diaz]

seriously, if you can lay extremism at the feet of any Democrat legislator, now’s the time.

Of course I could, but it's a silly game to play.

19th century?

( oh come on! meme here)

Yes, wasn't the question, "But was politics extreme on both sides before the rise of right wing radio circa 1980"?

Was there as specific date range I should have otherwise been considering?

 

[cannabineer]

Of course I could, but it's a silly game to play.


Yes, wasn't the question, "But was politics extreme on both sides before the rise of right wing radio circa 1980"?

Was there as specific date range I should have otherwise been considering?

If you can, do. It is not as silly as you purport.

 

[PJ Diaz]

If you can, do. It is not as silly as you purport.

Start a thread about it, and maybe I'll play your silly game there, but I'm not interested in straying that far off topic, in consideration of the OP.

 

[cannabineer]

Start a thread about it, and maybe I'll play your silly game there, but I'm not interested in straying that far off topic, in consideration of the OP.

Since the topic (since hijack) is the both sides lie, you’re wrong.

 

[tangerinegreen555]

Yes.

The Little-Known Story of 19th-Century America's Partisan Warfare

In a new book, Smithsonian curator Jon Grinspan examines the history of America's furious and fractious politics

www.smithsonianmag.com

I can go 100 or more years back in time to find all kinds of problems. I was referring to modern history in my lifetime.
Would you like to talk about the Civil War? That was a slightly different era, no?
You want to go back to 1619?

 

[tangerinegreen555]

It seems to be a topically irrelevant question to me, which is why I didn't address it. That said, I could play a similar game with Democrats

Do it.
But stay current please. I don't want to hear about George Wallace in 1963.

 

[tangerinegreen555]

Most people don't care for the "They do it more" argument. It's old and tired. The far left thinks that because the far right might be more extreme that people are going to just choose the lesser of two extremes. Reality is that people reject both extremes and are not interested in level of extremism. We're sick of it all. Both the D's and the R's suck. Independent voters can find things they like and dislike in both parties. It's not one or the other.

Most people are the 60 - 70% I clearly mentioned though. What about them being under represented?

That OK with you?

 

[xtsho]

If Democrats manage to hold on to the House and Senate, it will be in spite of the party brand, not because of it, according to a pre-election national poll. Despite a roster of GOP candidates who are extreme by any standard, voters see Democrats as just as extreme, as well as far less concerned about the issues that most worry them. A potential saving grace for Democrats is the strength of candidates who have established themselves as more moderate than the party brand as a whole, which when paired with the weakness of their Republican opponents may pull some across the finish line. But if this brand problem persists, Democrats will face an uphill climb in 2024 and beyond.

Third Way

www.thirdway.org

 

[PJ Diaz]

Do it.
But stay current please. I don't want to hear about George Wallace in 1963.

Your question was "prior to 1980" but you don't want to go further back past 1963? So this is a 17-year narrow window you are considering? You guys do like silly games, don't you?

 

[tangerinegreen555]

Your question was "prior to 1980" but you don't want to go further back past 1963? So this is a 17-year narrow window you are considering? You guys do like silly games, don't you?

I said this current extremism started it's foundation circa 1980.
And you seem to want to argue and call that a "silly game"?

 

[PJ Diaz]

Since the topic (since hijack) is the both sides lie, you’re wrong.

Oh right, I somehow forgot that you maintain a position of error which holds that if both sides are not equally bad, then that effectively makes the lesser of the two evils somehow inherently good.

 

[PJ Diaz]

I said this current extremism started it's foundation circa 1980.
And you seem to want to argue and call that a "silly game"?

Yes, constraining the answer to your question of "prior to the 1980's" to a time period of less than two decades, I do find silly indeed. Perhaps you should ask more specific questions in the future, if you want the answers to be accordingly specific.

 

[tangerinegreen555]

Yes, constraining the answer to your question of "prior to the 1980's" to a time period of less than two decades, I do find silly indeed. Perhaps you should ask more specific questions in the future, if you want the answers to be accordingly specific.

Apparently you missed the point.

Or maybe your narrative won't accept some easy to follow history. I'll move on. Have a nice day.

 

[cannabineer]

I can go 100 or more years back in time to find all kinds of problems. I was referring to modern history in my lifetime.
Would you like to talk about the Civil War? That was a slightly different era, no?
You want to go back to 1619?

frankly, it all went to hell in 1154, when Rome and Constantinople told each other to sit on it. Everything since then has been silly noise.

 

[tangerinegreen555]

frankly, it all went to hell in 1154, when Rome and Constantinople told each other to sit on it. Everything since then has been silly noise.

Ah 1154.
A bad year for labor but a great year for wine.

 

[cannabineer]

Oh right, I somehow forgot that you maintain a position of error which holds that if both sides are not equally bad, then that effectively makes the lesser of the two evils somehow inherently good.

That is classic and obvious loaded-question fallacy. What I am maintaining is that one side plainly has a much more fraught record than the other. You cannot contradict it with examples, so you resort to some jaw-dropping miscarriages of logic. Like the one Tang’ is dismantling.

 

[cannabineer]

Ah 1154.
A bad year for labor but a great year for wine.

Even God preferred the ‘06 and said so. Rob’t Parker would have scored it a 102.

X/1106 C1 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[hanimmal]

Both parties having idiots running for office as one of them, is not the same by a mile as the idiots being in control of them. Understanding this is key to understanding why the 'both sides' narrative falls apart.

But since the right wing propagandists have hijacked every form of communication to sell their lies, I am not holding my breath to stop hearing about it.

 

[xtsho]

Some get it. Others prefer to close their eyes and stay in the echo chamber where everyone thinks the same and they all reenforce each others beliefs.

Those of us that live outside the echo chambers see the entire picture.