Weedoozie
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I'm pretty sure I read in the bill that the 25 feet squared plot is per property, not per individual, which is another reason for me why this is not the best prop
Vote NO on prop 19... (great read for anyone that will be voting in november in cali)
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Needofweed
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california needs to take a duth approach at it.
The regulations
The Dutch have divided drugs into two groups, depending on their influence on human health – soft drugs and hard drugs. Hard drugs as cocaine, LSD, morphine, heroin are forbidden in the Netherlands as in any other country.
Soft drugs as cannabis in all its forms (marijuana, hashish, hash oil) and hallucinogenic mushrooms (so called magic mushrooms or paddos – from Dutch: paddestoel - mushroom) are legal under condition of so called “personal use”. As a result smoking of cannabis even in public, is not prosecuted as well as selling it although technically illegal under still valid Opium Act (dating from 1919, cannabis added as drug in 1950), is widely tolerated provided that it happens in a limited, controlled way (in a coffee shop, small portions, 5 grams maximum transaction, not many portions on stock, sale only to adults, no minors on the premises, no advertisement of drugs, the local municipality did not give the order to close the coffee shop).
The regulations
The Dutch have divided drugs into two groups, depending on their influence on human health – soft drugs and hard drugs. Hard drugs as cocaine, LSD, morphine, heroin are forbidden in the Netherlands as in any other country.
Soft drugs as cannabis in all its forms (marijuana, hashish, hash oil) and hallucinogenic mushrooms (so called magic mushrooms or paddos – from Dutch: paddestoel - mushroom) are legal under condition of so called “personal use”. As a result smoking of cannabis even in public, is not prosecuted as well as selling it although technically illegal under still valid Opium Act (dating from 1919, cannabis added as drug in 1950), is widely tolerated provided that it happens in a limited, controlled way (in a coffee shop, small portions, 5 grams maximum transaction, not many portions on stock, sale only to adults, no minors on the premises, no advertisement of drugs, the local municipality did not give the order to close the coffee shop).
Needofweed
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im not saying world for world but this is a better model then prop 19
Burger Boss
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No my uninformed friend, I have never pondered that question because it's NOT true.
You are obviously another silly anti-19, nay saying wank!
Come to a thread and spew total BS, shame on you.
And this is why:>
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/135166?ref=W_Ask&utm_source=Ask
Needofweed
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you dont have to get mad just cause im going to vote NO!
prop 19 is flud to its core.
yeah i was wrong about growing tabacco to an extent("As a result of federal legislation in late 2005, restrictions ... are no longer in effect.")and i take that back its something I heard from a friend that isnt true anymore.
5x5 would be great per person but not per household like prop 19 suggest.
i live with 4 othere people that smoke that 5 people so we each get 1x1 area.
we only get to legalize bud onces so lets make sure it right. the legislation is fluded it all about a bunch of rich people that got rich over years of selling bud illegaly trying to get even richer "walmartization of marijuana" aka big marijuana.there just taking advanyage of our broke ass state saying "tax revanue" wich means money for polititions aka big gverment
prop 19 is flud to its core.
yeah i was wrong about growing tabacco to an extent("As a result of federal legislation in late 2005, restrictions ... are no longer in effect.")and i take that back its something I heard from a friend that isnt true anymore.
5x5 would be great per person but not per household like prop 19 suggest.
i live with 4 othere people that smoke that 5 people so we each get 1x1 area.
we only get to legalize bud onces so lets make sure it right. the legislation is fluded it all about a bunch of rich people that got rich over years of selling bud illegaly trying to get even richer "walmartization of marijuana" aka big marijuana.there just taking advanyage of our broke ass state saying "tax revanue" wich means money for polititions aka big gverment
Needofweed
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Burger Boss
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Wrong again....I'm not "mad just cause" YOU'RE "going to vote NO!", I'm MAD because another uniformed Naysayer tries to slip BS into a post as fact! And THEN does some qualified mea culpa, and blames HIS ignorance of his "friend"! Yeah, that does kind of piss me off.
Why you ask? Because if I didn't catch THAT BS in it's inception, it would have become one more anti-19 FACT for their smoke-screen arsenal.
OK?, and wrong again, a 5x5 would not be "great" for even for one person. A standard had to be set, standards change in the face of overwhelming noncompliance, kind of like cannabis prohibition for example. When 19 passes, there would easily be 100,000 personal, "5x5 restricted grows going on.
Now, do you really envision an army of cannabis code enforcers, armed with their little tape measures and calculators sniffing around TRYING to LOCATE the grows that are open to view, outside?
And they couldn't touch a grow inside your house without legal, probable cause. So just don't get your undies in a bunch over the "5x5".
I wont attempt to comment on the rest of your post, because it was pretty incomprehensible, sort of a big ol' bag of rich demons and "aka" monsters, just not sure what that was.
Look needy, maybe just keep on doing whatever your cultivation scene is now, and after November 2, you WILL keep on keeping on,
they really aren't out to get YOU........BB
Why you ask? Because if I didn't catch THAT BS in it's inception, it would have become one more anti-19 FACT for their smoke-screen arsenal.
OK?, and wrong again, a 5x5 would not be "great" for even for one person. A standard had to be set, standards change in the face of overwhelming noncompliance, kind of like cannabis prohibition for example. When 19 passes, there would easily be 100,000 personal, "5x5 restricted grows going on.
Now, do you really envision an army of cannabis code enforcers, armed with their little tape measures and calculators sniffing around TRYING to LOCATE the grows that are open to view, outside?
And they couldn't touch a grow inside your house without legal, probable cause. So just don't get your undies in a bunch over the "5x5".
I wont attempt to comment on the rest of your post, because it was pretty incomprehensible, sort of a big ol' bag of rich demons and "aka" monsters, just not sure what that was.
Look needy, maybe just keep on doing whatever your cultivation scene is now, and after November 2, you WILL keep on keeping on,
they really aren't out to get YOU........BB
Needofweed
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have you even read this prop?
http://votetaxcannabis2010.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-pro-pot-activists-oppose-2010-tax.html
heres more of the truth.
bottom line is im voting no and evry one i know who votes is voting no. there is more than one way to legalize bud.
and prop 19 is not the way to do it.
right now i grow bud for free if prop 19 passes ill have to pay taxes to grow even if only for my personal use.
prop 19 is no good
http://votetaxcannabis2010.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-pro-pot-activists-oppose-2010-tax.html
heres more of the truth.
bottom line is im voting no and evry one i know who votes is voting no. there is more than one way to legalize bud.
and prop 19 is not the way to do it.
right now i grow bud for free if prop 19 passes ill have to pay taxes to grow even if only for my personal use.
prop 19 is no good
tip top toker
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I find it highly amusing that people are voting no, because it's not the right way to get legal weed, yet you are all refusing to allow anything to harm precious prop 215, yet that is no different, it is a scam method of obtaining weed because it was the best method to have some vague form of legal weed. It;s a federal offence, how is that not a fucked up proposition? 
Needofweed
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think if there were a prop like 215 but without the medical recomendation.....now that the kind of prop i would vote for
Needofweed
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california needs to take a duth approach at it.
The regulations
The Dutch have divided drugs into two groups, depending on their influence on human health – soft drugs and hard drugs. Hard drugs as cocaine, LSD, morphine, heroin are forbidden in the Netherlands as in any other country.
Soft drugs as cannabis in all its forms (marijuana, hashish, hash oil) and hallucinogenic mushrooms (so called magic mushrooms or paddos – from Dutch: paddestoel - mushroom) are legal under condition of so called “personal use”. As a result smoking of cannabis even in public, is not prosecuted as well as selling it although technically illegal under still valid Opium Act (dating from 1919, cannabis added as drug in 1950), is widely tolerated provided that it happens in a limited, controlled way (in a coffee shop, small portions, 5 grams maximum transaction, not many portions on stock, sale only to adults, no minors on the premises, no advertisement of drugs, the local municipality did not give the order to close the coffee shop).
The regulations
The Dutch have divided drugs into two groups, depending on their influence on human health – soft drugs and hard drugs. Hard drugs as cocaine, LSD, morphine, heroin are forbidden in the Netherlands as in any other country.
Soft drugs as cannabis in all its forms (marijuana, hashish, hash oil) and hallucinogenic mushrooms (so called magic mushrooms or paddos – from Dutch: paddestoel - mushroom) are legal under condition of so called “personal use”. As a result smoking of cannabis even in public, is not prosecuted as well as selling it although technically illegal under still valid Opium Act (dating from 1919, cannabis added as drug in 1950), is widely tolerated provided that it happens in a limited, controlled way (in a coffee shop, small portions, 5 grams maximum transaction, not many portions on stock, sale only to adults, no minors on the premises, no advertisement of drugs, the local municipality did not give the order to close the coffee shop).
nathenking
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Exactly... They get by without big business and tax, why cant we... Oh yeah, because we have clones that hear/see the word "LEGALIZE" and they jump like a fresh 18 year old... This is the same reason this country and state is in such a shit hole at the moment... Nobody really thinks about shit logically... IT WONT BE LEGAL.... IT WILL BE A OUNCE... REWRITE the law to better suit our purposes... ITs not rocket surgery...
Needofweed
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damn strait
Needofweed
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Voters in Rancho Cordova will decide in November whether to tax residents who grow their own pot.
The city measure, put on the Nov. 2 ballot by the City Council this week, would impose taxes on all local residential cultivation if California voters approve Proposition 19 to legalize recreational use.
But the city’s proposed “Personal Cannabis Cultivation Tax” also makes no distinction between medical and recreational cultivation, Peter Hecht writes in “Weed Wars.” So the tax would kick in for anyone currently cultivating for personal medical use — whether Prop. 19 passes or not
If passed by local voters, the taxation measure in the Sacramento County city would make at-home cultivation a much more expensive endeavor.
The Rancho Cordova measure would impose a $600 annual tax per square foot of indoor cultivation of 25 square feet of [URL="https://www.rollitup.org/"]marijuana[/URL] or less and a $900 per square foot tax if the indoor growing area is more than 25 square feet.
The city tax would cost a local indoor grower $6,000 a year on 10 square feet of pot plants and $15,000 for 25 square feet. Outdoor growers, who would be billed at a lower rate, would pay a $1,200 residential tax for 25 square feet of [URL="https://www.rollitup.org/"]marijuana[/URL] plants.
If Proposition 19 passes, it would allow California adults over 21 to cultivate in a 25-square foot residential space. Medical growers often exceed those limits by cultivating with other pot patients
http://calpotnews.com/government/bal...ordova-ballot/
these taxes brought to you buy prop19
The city measure, put on the Nov. 2 ballot by the City Council this week, would impose taxes on all local residential cultivation if California voters approve Proposition 19 to legalize recreational use.
But the city’s proposed “Personal Cannabis Cultivation Tax” also makes no distinction between medical and recreational cultivation, Peter Hecht writes in “Weed Wars.” So the tax would kick in for anyone currently cultivating for personal medical use — whether Prop. 19 passes or not
If passed by local voters, the taxation measure in the Sacramento County city would make at-home cultivation a much more expensive endeavor.
The Rancho Cordova measure would impose a $600 annual tax per square foot of indoor cultivation of 25 square feet of [URL="https://www.rollitup.org/"]marijuana[/URL] or less and a $900 per square foot tax if the indoor growing area is more than 25 square feet.
The city tax would cost a local indoor grower $6,000 a year on 10 square feet of pot plants and $15,000 for 25 square feet. Outdoor growers, who would be billed at a lower rate, would pay a $1,200 residential tax for 25 square feet of [URL="https://www.rollitup.org/"]marijuana[/URL] plants.
If Proposition 19 passes, it would allow California adults over 21 to cultivate in a 25-square foot residential space. Medical growers often exceed those limits by cultivating with other pot patients
http://calpotnews.com/government/bal...ordova-ballot/
these taxes brought to you buy prop19
nathenking
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Everybody I know is voting NO as well... Its what we call having a standard and not taking what they give us... Just the thought that they could write this shitty bill and think it will pass insults me and my friends/family... Just another bullshit political move in a corrupt country... YAY LEGALIZE IT... Its a joke...I find it highly amusing that people are voting no, because it's not the right way to get legal weed, yet you are all refusing to allow anything to harm precious prop 215, yet that is no different, it is a scam method of obtaining weed because it was the best method to have some vague form of legal weed. It;s a federal offence, how is that not a fucked up proposition?
nathenking
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Its not a game, its a vote, that is where the winners and losers are produced... You make alot of good points dan, but the prop is still wrote like shit and leaves way to much up to imagination... You will never be able to fix that because you didnt write it...you just totally lost the game. best part is, you probably don't even know it.
nathenking
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Exactly... But nobody sees it... They are gonna give this beautiful plant over to them without a fight, well with a fight... I dont know a single person that is gonna vote yes... Actually I do... Its a bunch of 18-20 year olds that are like WOOHOO LEGALIZE IT... They sound so ridiculous... But after I take 15 minutes to explain just a few key points, there grins turn to frowns and they realize that is a bullshit bill...
tip top toker
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You kind of missed the point. What standard did you fight for when they said that medical patients could only grow X plants, could only posesss X amount of bud, could only do it with a doctors recomendation, could only do it in their home state, could still get arrested and taken to court and have your plants taken. What standards were set when you decided they could screw you over that badly just for some "medicine"?
You have a go at 19 for not being completely what the smoker wants, yet 215 was no different, and you are all in love with the thing and would cry to heaven if it went away.
Needofweed
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prop 19 destroys prop215
tip top toker
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No it doesn't, read the thing..
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