Led Growing Is The Way Of The Future My Friends
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Facts:
HID Doesnt use Lenses.
First few generations of LEDs to hit markets didnt use lens either.
LEDs have penetration issues and are seen as gimic.
New generation of LEDs uses 60 degree lenses to focus the beam like a flashlight.
People Rave about them. Easier to use with Penetrating Lens.
Research every LED brand imaginable and really look at the specs. See what has lenses what degree? how many nodes? etc..
Discuss.
What im saying is a bunch of shit companies mades cheap led light without testing them and making innovations. Innovations are coming every year and the top companies are doing it right until someone does it better.
HID Doesnt use Lenses.
First few generations of LEDs to hit markets didnt use lens either.
LEDs have penetration issues and are seen as gimic.
New generation of LEDs uses 60 degree lenses to focus the beam like a flashlight.
People Rave about them. Easier to use with Penetrating Lens.
Research every LED brand imaginable and really look at the specs. See what has lenses what degree? how many nodes? etc..
Discuss.
What im saying is a bunch of shit companies mades cheap led light without testing them and making innovations. Innovations are coming every year and the top companies are doing it right until someone does it better.
Dan Kone
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I only read what you replied to me. I'm not going to go back and read your entire posting history.
Dan Kone
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I was replying to your incoherent responses to my posts. I don't know or care what you posted before then. I guess they weren't worth remembering.
curly604
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can someone let me know why my leaves are curing and how to stop it ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTm4S_Klg7E
Looks like some burn and maybe some PH issues.
Dub
Dan Kone
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ok. you're obviously a 12 year old, so I'll just let this be my last response to you.
curly604
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i thought so too but my ph is running at 5.6-6.0 check it every other day and im using less nutes than what the bottle is saying by far but i may have given them to much at the start could it just be leftover problems that havent cleared up?
Hudsonvalley82
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HID'S Rock, LED'S Rock...Mix both and win...save electricity, tweak spectrums, manage heat. HID solves LED's footprint problem, and LED tighted HID's hefty wattage belt and wastes less Watts on non PAR wavelengths. You don't need super duper LED's, just not crappy ones. Especially if you mix the two.
I have had success (especially as a total newb) with this mixture.
and yes, the quality is different, especially if you have the correct spectra in your LED.
Flower with a 7200K MH and tell me it didn't fuck the shit out of a 2700K HPS quality wise...small wavelength light is a big factor...I have done both across several grows. HPS produced more, MH produced better...Must be genetics? I don't think thats the whole story
I have had success (especially as a total newb) with this mixture.
and yes, the quality is different, especially if you have the correct spectra in your LED.
Flower with a 7200K MH and tell me it didn't fuck the shit out of a 2700K HPS quality wise...small wavelength light is a big factor...I have done both across several grows. HPS produced more, MH produced better...Must be genetics? I don't think thats the whole story
sso
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...90w can perform the same as a 400w!
now, bit later, we have guys raving about 300w leds or more doing the same.
leds,that btw, ive often seen people just throw in the trash if they couldnt sell it again . (or sometimes use as a veglight..
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...some guy makes huge claims and a few folks jump on the bandwagon, only to 2-3 months later quitting their journals or proclaiming with disgust that theyve been had.
and by the looks of it, you are paying 5-10x more for lighting half the space. lol
and those claims of more resin, are only made by those few with "huge claims" about the leds.
sure,,seen some "impressive" grows with leds and pics of that, one huge plant under what appears to be 4000$ worth of leds.
yeah, impressive considering the veglights leds are..but not considering you could do the same with 200$ of hps.
i dont think anything is going to replace the hps for awhile, at least 10 years. plasma is basically a souped up mh but severly lacking in red wavelenghts, making it (As leds) an excellent veg light, but nothing more (and not so excellent considering the 10x markup in price from a regular mh)
now, bit later, we have guys raving about 300w leds or more doing the same.
leds,that btw, ive often seen people just throw in the trash if they couldnt sell it again . (or sometimes use as a veglight..
)...some guy makes huge claims and a few folks jump on the bandwagon, only to 2-3 months later quitting their journals or proclaiming with disgust that theyve been had.
and by the looks of it, you are paying 5-10x more for lighting half the space. lol
and those claims of more resin, are only made by those few with "huge claims" about the leds.
sure,,seen some "impressive" grows with leds and pics of that, one huge plant under what appears to be 4000$ worth of leds.
yeah, impressive considering the veglights leds are..but not considering you could do the same with 200$ of hps.
i dont think anything is going to replace the hps for awhile, at least 10 years. plasma is basically a souped up mh but severly lacking in red wavelenghts, making it (As leds) an excellent veg light, but nothing more (and not so excellent considering the 10x markup in price from a regular mh)
People who believed you could replace a 400w or 600w HID with a >100w panels didn't know much about 1w/2w/3w diodes, how much power their panels actually used, and how they realistically performed. Now that good ones have been out for a little while I believe I've seen enough that most people can get away with half as many watts in LED as HID if buying from a good LED company (especially if over multiple panels, nobody really makes >600w LED panels). Yeah you pay a lot more up front, but you will be using half as much electricity (if you want to), there will be 75% less heat watt for watt (money/power saved from air conditioning), and you get a higher quality product. Half might not sound like enough, but most people haven't seen what the good panels can do (because most grows are with crappy LED panels), and you gotta remember that LED panels are much more efficient at producing PAR than HPS...90w can perform the same as a 400w!
now, bit later, we have guys raving about 300w leds or more doing the same.
leds,that btw, ive often seen people just throw in the trash if they couldnt sell it again . (or sometimes use as a veglight..
...some guy makes huge claims and a few folks jump on the bandwagon, only to 2-3 months later quitting their journals or proclaiming with disgust that theyve been had.
and by the looks of it, you are paying 5-10x more for lighting half the space. lol
and those claims of more resin, are only made by those few with "huge claims" about the leds.
sure,,seen some "impressive" grows with leds and pics of that, one huge plant under what appears to be 4000$ worth of leds.
yeah, impressive considering the veglights leds are..but not considering you could do the same with 200$ of hps.
i dont think anything is going to replace the hps for awhile, at least 10 years. plasma is basically a souped up mh but severly lacking in red wavelenghts, making it (As leds) an excellent veg light, but nothing more (and not so excellent considering the 10x markup in price from a regular mh)
Again I stress that is with the best LED companies out there, most are crap, and most people haven't seen what the good ones can do. It might be hard to compare LED to a 1000w HPS though, which I hear handles a 4x4 bed well on its own, because most companies stick to using less than 500w on a panel (the highest I've seen in 600w). This means to compare LED to a 1000w HPS set up you would need multiple panels which I don't imagine would be much of a problem to work with for most people using a 1000w bulb
OOOPS I MEAN TO CLARIFY SOMETHING: i'm not so sure you could get away with half as many watts in LED as a 1000w HID bulb, as I hear those are more efficient at growing than lesser HID bulbs? I don't believe a 500w LED panel could compare to a 1000w HPS, but perhaps 500w across 6-9 LED panels to spread that power over a greater area (single panels that use 500w or more usually cram them close together). For 400w, 600w, all that below 1000w bulbs I think you could get away with a single LED panel using half as many watts (but not with a 1000w). So yeah people who use 1000w are probably the least likely to switch to LED, but for anyone who doesn't I think they could easily replace an HID system with half as many watts in a single LED panel (although I'm saying you could get away with half if you care about saving power, if you just wanna fucking grow then go ahead and get more watts or just as many and kick more ass)
sorry Im really bored and tired ill go shut up now
PS: doesn't seem fair for someone to speculate on the $ value of LEDs being used and then guessing what they could replace it with using an HID. Point me to it and I could probably figure it out.
Looks like a burn from a bit ago and it's coming out of it with the healthy new growth. Just keep a eye on your ph daily as with DWC it will drift quickly
Dub
curly604
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cool bro thanks alot i will make sure to do that also i dont have a fresh air feed in to my tent i just leave the door open when my lights turn on think ill be ok? i have a 4 inch fan runnning out through a homemade carbon filter as well
Yah man that should be fine. Only problem I see is you gotta make sure you close that shit on time everyday. I don't like being tied down like that but I'm sure you will get it figured out eventually so you can have it shut
Good luck bro
Dub
there was no difference in a 400w, but the 600w outperformed the "equivalent" LED fixture. the LED grew BETTER weed, (which is more what i care about anyway), but the yield difference simply isn't worth it for most people. as far as the electricity goes, yeah you do save some money, however with the cost of good LED fixtures and a life expectancy of 5 or so years, it's not a big enough cost difference to really get attention yet. i believe it was japan that i read is working on a extremely powerful led, but yet unsuccessfully with longevity. they got it to fire up but it only lasted a few minutes i do believe. IMO, it will be about a decade before LED's are efficient and cheap enough for people to really consider switching to them from HPS, but they may take their place in more veg rooms sooner than that.
With how much better full spectrum 3w diode panels are doing than what most people have seen done with crappy 1w no lens and crappy 2w panels, it will not take 10 years
Things have changed so much in the last 12 months alone for LED, there will be no doubt that LED is viable in the next couple years (although I'm sure it will still be expensive enough that one must way certain pros and cons together). I believe with the best companies you can get away with a single panel using half as many watts as an HID system UNLESS its a 1000w HPS (partly because nobody makes >600w panels). Probably cost $3 per watt used by the whole panel though, so replacing a 400w HPS system would cost about $600, a 600w HPS about $900, but to replace a 1000w HPS might cost $1500 - $3000). You use half the power, and you make 75% heat watt for watt too (but it cost a lot upfront).Yeah they all seem to be rated for 50k hours. Some companies made their panels so only 1 LED can die at a time (instead of like with most panels where 1 actually dies but it takes out the power for a whole bunch). So that helps a bit I guess, and they say those kinds are easiest to replace LED (that you could do it yourself if you had the LEDs). I've only seen 1 company with a 5 years warranty (also has that tech I just mentioned), most seem to be 1, 2, or 3.
Dan Kone
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You still get smaller, fluffy buds.With how much better full spectrum 3w diode panels are doing than what most people have seen done with crappy 1w no lens and crappy 2w panels, it will not take 10 years
LED's can't touch a 600w HPS either really. I've never run a system that used smaller than 600w hps's so IDK about that.
The only thing people really need to know about LED's is this - they are a great way to save $ for vegging, but don't flower with them. End of story.
I don't see how anyone who's ran a decent HPS system and tried LED's can dispute that.