Help plants are struggling
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dasmokinbudz
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this is my beauty
my trooper
my surroundings
my waterline
my resivour
my algae growth
leaves curling on this one
my trooper
my surroundings
my waterline
my resivour
my algae growth
leaves curling on this one
dasmokinbudz
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well i just put some pics on how long does it take to see them
dasmokinbudz
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malachi <<do you want to keep a few as mothers for future cloning>>
yes how many do i need for a 25 plant sog? when should i take my clones
yes how many do i need for a 25 plant sog? when should i take my clones
dasmokinbudz
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ok heres my pics. i changed my waterflow to a single outlet and a single drain hole. plan to go with the flood system its the closest to what i have running now so imma give it a try. heres the pic rundown
1.my beauty
2.my lil trooper"still hanging in there right now"
3.my surroundings and light rig.
4.my resivour.
5.whats wrong with this leaf?
6.the algae growth i was talking about. is clearing up since the coverings on the pots
7.some leaves are curling like so... is that bad?
look at these and tell me if theyre saveable
1.my beauty
2.my lil trooper"still hanging in there right now"
3.my surroundings and light rig.
4.my resivour.
5.whats wrong with this leaf?
6.the algae growth i was talking about. is clearing up since the coverings on the pots
7.some leaves are curling like so... is that bad?
look at these and tell me if theyre saveable
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malachi
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my opinion on this is that ecxess humidity is causing the thin stems, they look exactly like when i took my first clones and put them in my 1" cubes and overwatered them, the stems rotted and became very thin at the bottom like yours look now, i dunno how damp your medium is but i would suggest keeping the watering down to what you said a few posts back like twice a day, and see if they don't pick up again, if you do go with a continuous flood system i would make sure the top layer of your medium doesn,t get too damp , get email468 to check these pics out too he's been a lot of help for my grow , get second and third opinions but i think i,m probably close to the truth on this one.
dasmokinbudz
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ok thanks for the advice. im going to let them dry to the point of almost wilting and then bring them back. hopefully they survie the stress. i think so but well see. im pretty sure on the overwatering, been thinking that for awhile.im going to have more pics up by the end of the day so keep your eyes peeled. how much longer till i can clone?
when i get the clones should i start over with them?
when i get the clones should i start over with them?
malachi
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well i know for a fact that they need to be at least 1 month old, I planted my seeds on the 23 of december and took my first clones on the 24 of january, in your case if your plants are smaller you need to at least wait till your plant makes branches that can be cloned, wich is a branch with at least 3 internodes, so i would say 5 weeks at least
here is my plants at exactly 20 days old pic 1
and pic 2 is my plants at exactly 1 month old I took the clones 4 days after i took pic 2
here is my plants at exactly 20 days old pic 1
and pic 2 is my plants at exactly 1 month old I took the clones 4 days after i took pic 2
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malachi
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if i may add something, bring your light as close as you can to your plants within 4" at most cuz they're cfl I had my 400watt MH at 14inches and it permits close internodal branching , more stalkier bushier plants and that will also help to keep humidity on the top layer way down,
and I also will continue to stress that you need to get the opinion of more experience growers, like 468 and the staff people here cuz they are a gold mine of knowledge.
i'll be watching out for your pics
and I also will continue to stress that you need to get the opinion of more experience growers, like 468 and the staff people here cuz they are a gold mine of knowledge.
i'll be watching out for your pics
dasmokinbudz
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thanks agian for the advice. ive sent a msg to email468 about my pics i hope to hear from him soon. as for now its time to take more pics and see what weve got
email468
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Hey dasmokinbudz - glad you got some pictures.
Your stems still look very stretchy. i'll tell you straight - this ain't good but we'll fix it. The two things I think should work are more and/or closer lighting and a fan blowing on them constantly. Oscillating fans are perfect for this job. I do not use CFLs but my understanding is you need to have them as close as possible without actually touching but a leaf hits a light - not a big deal (don't let a bud do it though!). So add a fan and lots more lights.
OK - that should take care of the stems and start getting you some more nodes and leaves.
On to the set-up...
Is that aluminum foil? It really holds in the heat and is universally condemned as grow room wallpaper. But i also heard that as long as the dull side is facing out (shiny side towards the wall) - it will do in a pinch. But we have bigger problems which i'll get to in a moment.
Glad to see your algae is clearing up - keep up the good work.
It looks like your reservoir is clear - that is not good. Light is what gets algae growing so you don't want it hitting your reservoir - which is a soup of nutrients that algae would really enjoy.
Another words... no clear reservoirs - gotta be opaque. this is very important not just for this reason but even more importantly, your roots should not be getting any light. The roots will fill up that reservoir and the light will be beating down on them. Another bad thing is the light will heat up the reservoir water even faster. OK - i think i convinced you
one good thing about the clear reservoir - is i can see how brown your water is - which means there are WAY too many nutrients in that water. The plants are small and delicate and could easily get by without any nutrients. are you using tap water or RO? if you are using tap water - then use 50% of what the manufacturers feeding schedule. what nutes are you using and do you have a feeding plan?
Do you have a pH and a PPM meter? you'll need them for hydro. it is very difficult to get by without them.
SUMMARY
more lights
move lights closer - try to make the light even around the plant
fan or two blowing on the plants (they should move like in a breeze if they fall over - no way they'll hold a bud up)
opaque reservoir
drain and fill reservoir with plain water immediately
get a pH and PPM meter if you don't have them
what nutes? do you have a plan?
Finally, take a deep breath, relax - it really won't be long before you're giving better growing advice and tips than me. no joke. I'm no expert.
Your stems still look very stretchy. i'll tell you straight - this ain't good but we'll fix it. The two things I think should work are more and/or closer lighting and a fan blowing on them constantly. Oscillating fans are perfect for this job. I do not use CFLs but my understanding is you need to have them as close as possible without actually touching but a leaf hits a light - not a big deal (don't let a bud do it though!). So add a fan and lots more lights.
OK - that should take care of the stems and start getting you some more nodes and leaves.
On to the set-up...
Is that aluminum foil? It really holds in the heat and is universally condemned as grow room wallpaper. But i also heard that as long as the dull side is facing out (shiny side towards the wall) - it will do in a pinch. But we have bigger problems which i'll get to in a moment.
Glad to see your algae is clearing up - keep up the good work.
It looks like your reservoir is clear - that is not good. Light is what gets algae growing so you don't want it hitting your reservoir - which is a soup of nutrients that algae would really enjoy.
Another words... no clear reservoirs - gotta be opaque. this is very important not just for this reason but even more importantly, your roots should not be getting any light. The roots will fill up that reservoir and the light will be beating down on them. Another bad thing is the light will heat up the reservoir water even faster. OK - i think i convinced you
one good thing about the clear reservoir - is i can see how brown your water is - which means there are WAY too many nutrients in that water. The plants are small and delicate and could easily get by without any nutrients. are you using tap water or RO? if you are using tap water - then use 50% of what the manufacturers feeding schedule. what nutes are you using and do you have a feeding plan?
Do you have a pH and a PPM meter? you'll need them for hydro. it is very difficult to get by without them.
SUMMARY
more lights
move lights closer - try to make the light even around the plant
fan or two blowing on the plants (they should move like in a breeze if they fall over - no way they'll hold a bud up)
opaque reservoir
drain and fill reservoir with plain water immediately
get a pH and PPM meter if you don't have them
what nutes? do you have a plan?
Finally, take a deep breath, relax - it really won't be long before you're giving better growing advice and tips than me. no joke. I'm no expert.
dasmokinbudz
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i have 4 cfls is that not enough. from what i read it should be.
res. will be changed immediately. water will be too. is tap water ok to give them by itself or no? i know to let it sit for a day b4 using it.
as for the tin-foil what to replace it with? suggestions?
im using gen hydroponics 3-nute sys micro,gro,and bloom. i fill the res once a week sometimes two weeks.
ive added a fan now but the leaves are starting to droop. and i mean bad.
im starting to worry.
quick response would be appreciated.
res. will be changed immediately. water will be too. is tap water ok to give them by itself or no? i know to let it sit for a day b4 using it.
as for the tin-foil what to replace it with? suggestions?
im using gen hydroponics 3-nute sys micro,gro,and bloom. i fill the res once a week sometimes two weeks.
ive added a fan now but the leaves are starting to droop. and i mean bad.
im starting to worry.
quick response would be appreciated.
email468
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they're either going to get better or perish in the process. do you have more seeds or clones - just in case?
Do you have a pH and PPM meter?
I think you need a few more lights - in fact - i think you'd run into a heat problem before you run into a "too many lights" problem.
If you can - let the tap water sit out - don't add any nutes - pH it to 5.6
when you are picking up your opaque reservoir - you can look for that shiny gift wrap - that should work pretty good for you - if not - just leave the foil - we'll worry about that later.
dasmokinbudz
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should i flush the system? i think i should b/c if ive been using too many nutes shouldnt i get rid of whats in my rockwool and start over?
also the algae is getting worse agian i think its coming from the res even tho theres not any visible algae there.
as for the clones or seeds no i dont. at least not anything worth growing, unless some really good schwag is worth it. your opnion?
i have both but the only ph test i can find goes down to 6. i try to keep it right at 6 but sometimes it goes over that. i cant tell how far down but i can tell when it leaves the 6.0 range which it does sometimes.
the best ppm i could find tests the nitrate no3+,nitrate no2-,the total hardness total alkalinity, and the ph but i use another ph test cuz its better.
what should my levels be?
also the algae is getting worse agian i think its coming from the res even tho theres not any visible algae there.
as for the clones or seeds no i dont. at least not anything worth growing, unless some really good schwag is worth it. your opnion?
i have both but the only ph test i can find goes down to 6. i try to keep it right at 6 but sometimes it goes over that. i cant tell how far down but i can tell when it leaves the 6.0 range which it does sometimes.
the best ppm i could find tests the nitrate no3+,nitrate no2-,the total hardness total alkalinity, and the ph but i use another ph test cuz its better.
what should my levels be?
email468
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do you have a budget? how much can you spend on meters? you'll need something that reads pH from 4-8 at least and the PPM meter should be in PPM and/or EC.
for right now, yes i would completely flush the system and use tap water and see what happens while you decide what your next move will be.
i have some bag seed growing ... i recommend you do the same at least while we put the finishing touches on your supplies and system
for right now, yes i would completely flush the system and use tap water and see what happens while you decide what your next move will be.
i have some bag seed growing ... i recommend you do the same at least while we put the finishing touches on your supplies and system
dasmokinbudz
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yes i have a budget and my tap water isnt drinkable. im using store bought drinking water. im going right now to pick up some more and flush my system. while im flusing do i leave the water running? if its possible to repot should i?
i may pick up a resivour right now too. where do i get the right ppm and ph testers?
i may pick up a resivour right now too. where do i get the right ppm and ph testers?
dasmokinbudz
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im going right now i should be back really fast. if your not still on tonight when i get back then ill look forward to your response when i get up in the morning.
email468
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if you are buying water - buy distilled not the drinking water.
i'm not sure how you would repot - how exactly are they planted? what's the media/containers/everything
When you flush you just empty the reservoir and fill it up with clean fresh properly pH (5.6 - or as close as possible) water
you can shop around online for the meters - or a hydro store would have them.
email468
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fair enough - busy day tomorrow but i'm sure i'll be popping on
dasmokinbudz
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ok i changed the water. i used RO drinking water. how long should i flush. while flushin how do i water? like normal?
as for the pot and medium....
i used these dirt sacks you get at wal-mart for tomatoes. you put water on it and it grows to like 2 in x 1in, its got dirt in it but i made sure to run it under water until i saw no color or particles coming from it and planted. when i saw the plant top the soil i transfered to my rockwool 1/4in cubes in a 1/2 gallon pot, and thats what you see.
i took the foil down and replaced it with a reflective shield for a car windshield is that ok???
as for the pot and medium....
i used these dirt sacks you get at wal-mart for tomatoes. you put water on it and it grows to like 2 in x 1in, its got dirt in it but i made sure to run it under water until i saw no color or particles coming from it and planted. when i saw the plant top the soil i transfered to my rockwool 1/4in cubes in a 1/2 gallon pot, and thats what you see.
i took the foil down and replaced it with a reflective shield for a car windshield is that ok???
