Politics of hate, Murder and Thievery

[sync0s]

I've yet to meet someone who is not both. =\

You don't think he's a racist?

There are Jews who are anti-Zionist. Need I say more?

I have no idea. I just hate when people assume that if you speak out against Zionists in Israel that your an anti-semite, because that is pure ignorance.

 

[vh13]

Oh right, because the murder of 6,000,000 innocent Jewish men, women, and children is more forgivable then relocating 800,000 Arabs.

How do you feel about Pakistan? Do you question the right of the Pakistani's to have a place of their own? I suppose killing 1,000,000 Hindus and Muslims is just fine.

 

[vh13]

There are Jews who are anti-Zionist. Need I say more?

I have no idea. I just hate when people assume that if you speak out against Zionists in Israel that your an anti-semite, because that is pure ignorance.

Actually, anti-Zionism is very much antisemitic. Why should the Jews, of all people, not have a place of their own? If not because they're Jewish, then why?

 

[olylifter420]

this guy is worse the shiru ishii

 

[vh13]

ralf, I don't know what point you're trying to make about names. What is in a name passed on generation after generation? Do you agree with everything your parents say? Only a "total fcuk wit" would assume all people who share a last name think the same. That, or a racist.

I think the main reason why Britain and the USA support Israel is because they feel guilty.

The Zionist movement began before the Holocaust, when the Russians were abusing and massacring their Jews. The movement made absolutely no claims to superiority, it was a movement of human rights, intended to give the poor and downtrodden Jews of Europe, and around the world, a place where they could be welcome after thousands of years of persecution. Originally, the settlement was to be in Uganda.

However, both the USA and Britain refused to support the movement, blocking its progress at every turn, even leading up to the holocaust, but by then it was too late. In fact, when Hitler was first proposing his "Jewish Solution" (an idea proposed by a wealthy, powerful American), both Britain and the USA closed their doors to European Jewry, allowing Hitler exclusive access to millions of Jews with no place to go, no place to welcome to them, and no place of their own.

 

[ralf]

Oh right, because the murder of 6,000,000 innocent Jewish men, women, and children is more forgivable then relocating 800,000 Arabs.

How do you feel about Pakistan? Do you question the right of the Pakistani's to have a place of their own? I suppose killing 1,000,000 Hindus and Muslims is just fine.

Your behind the times, your out of date in the subject you are trying to discuss. Israel upped the figure to 6,500,000 Jews that were murdered, that was a couple of years ago.

And now israel is saying that it was 7 million that died, by 2020, its expected that israel will be claiming it was 8 million. As time goes on, the figure rises, its now quite obvious that israel maths are elastic.

 

[beardo]

[youtube]M539PgDjbas[/youtube]

 

[vh13]

Your behind the times, your out of date in the subject you are trying to discuss. Israel upped the figure to 6,500,000 Jews that were murdered, that was a couple of years ago.

And now israel is saying that it was 7 million that died, by 2020, its expected that israel will be claiming it was 8 million. As time goes on, the figure rises, its now quite obvious that israel maths are elastic.

So you accept the main point that what the Jews are doing now is nothing like Hitler's Nazi regime? And you make another racist slur...

What about the Kurds? What about the Basques, do they have a right to a home? Why should israel get preferential treatment?

Fallacious. The fact that Israel exists takes nothing away from the groups mentioned, nor does it prevent them from attempting to create their own nation state.

Do you not know that G-d himself said that Jews should not have their own country until the second coming of Christ. who am i to tell G-d he is wrong?

You're quoting from a book you don't understand, and attributing the authorship to the wrong identity. God has never written anything except the ten commandments, and that's only according to Moses.

The land the Jews held originally, were given to them by Britain, it was not Britain's property to give away, since then israel has stole more and more land from the Palestinians, the Israeli’s are lying thieves and nothing more. They are pursuing the genocide of the Palestinians, which has always been their plan from the start.

So you're saying the Palestinians were better off when they experienced a Jordan occupation? Do you know that Palestinians currently living in those lands are better off now then they were under a Jordan occupation?

Did you support the creation of a Palestinian state before 1967? Why does it matter to you now? Because it's Israel and not Jordan?

Clearly you don't know your history. The only attempted genocide taking place is by Israel's antisemitic neighbors, who have manipulated the notion of Palestinian statehood (which did not exist before Israel) to serve their own Nazi-like agenda.

Furthermore, your point refutes anti-zionism. If the British had no right to give the land away then, who has the right to take it from the Jews born in Israel today? The land is currently occupied, if it should not have been taken away years go, then it should not be taken away now.

 

[vh13]

There are Jews who are anti-Zionist. Need I say more?

I have no idea. I just hate when people assume that if you speak out against Zionists in Israel that your an anti-semite, because that is pure ignorance.

"I'm not antisemitic, I'm just anti-Zionist"

is equivalent to:

"I'm not anti-American, I just think the United States shouldn't exist."

 

[sso]

its equivalent to.

i like alot of americans but judging by their government, the majority are idiots. (the majority influences how the government is, the majority borrows their ass into debt, so does the government)

(the same as in my country, the same as in israel and so on..)

 

[smok3y1]

Oh right, because the murder of 6,000,000 innocent Jewish men, women, and children is more forgivable then relocating 800,000 Arabs.

How do you feel about Pakistan? Do you question the right of the Pakistani's to have a place of their own? I suppose killing 1,000,000 Hindus and Muslims is just fine.

Wait erm what did the Arabs have to do with the killing of Jews. Was it not the Germans?? So why should the Arabs suffer because of some foreign country that has no tie to them what so ever. If anything they should have taken land from Germany and given it to the Jews

 

[sso]

Wait erm what did the Arabs have to do with the killing of Jews. Was it not the Germans?? So why should the Arabs suffer because of some foreign country that has no tie to them what so ever. If anything they should have taken land from Germany and given it to the Jews

that wouldave been really cool.

 

[vh13]

Wait erm what did the Arabs have to do with the killing of Jews. Was it not the Germans?? So why should the Arabs suffer because of some foreign country that has no tie to them what so ever. If anything they should have taken land from Germany and given it to the Jews

My point was: what the Jews do now to defend their home land (it is now, whether you agree with Israel's creation or not) is NOT the same as Hitler's Nazi genocide.

There were wrongs committed, but certainly not the lies ralf keeps spouting off.

Btw, it wasn't just the Germans. A lot of groups of people assisted and encouraged the attempted extermination of the Jewish peoples. The reason Israel was chosen is partly because all those groups were involved. Politics is a messy business.

I mentioned this before, but I'll state it again: the original Zionist movement (which started before the Nazi regime gained power) intended to settle in Uganda. But because of politics this was resisted, and after the holocaust (during which there were lots of other conflicts, politics, and wars) Israel was chosen.

I'm sure if the Zionists were allowed to get their way early on, the antisemites would not care about the Palestinians the way they seem to now. No matter what the Jews do, they will get criticized by racists who would have preferred they were wiped out during the holocaust.

Shame on those darn Jews for surviving, right?

 

[sync0s]

Oh right, because the murder of 6,000,000 innocent Jewish men, women, and children is more forgivable then relocating 800,000 Arabs.

How do you feel about Pakistan? Do you question the right of the Pakistani's to have a place of their own? I suppose killing 1,000,000 Hindus and Muslims is just fine.

If you think it's simply "relocating" Arabs, than you have no idea what you are talking about, first off. Secondly, just because there were Jews persecuted by Germans does not mean they are suddenly entitled to a greater right than the Arabs to go and steal the land. I'm sorry, but your wrong on so many levels.

Actually, anti-Zionism is very much antisemitic. Why should the Jews, of all people, not have a place of their own? If not because they're Jewish, then why?

In order to be a pro-democracy American, I can't agree with you at all. One of the core foundations of the American way is freedom of religion. Therefore, never ever ever will I promote religious or ethnic persecution or segregation of any kind. Do you not realize that this is what you promote?

What's really pathetic is people who are pro-Zionist refuse to accept the fact that Israel is essentially committing genocide. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2009/01/200911321467988347.html

Pathetic.

 

[sync0s]

"I'm not antisemitic, I'm just anti-Zionist"

is equivalent to:

"I'm not anti-American, I just think the United States shouldn't exist."

Actually, I agree here. You fail to realize that being American is not exclusive to the United States. You can be anti-United States of America and still not hate Americans. I have empathy for a lot of people around the world who hate the US government, and I do not feel as though they have that same hatred for me.

 

[growsolo]

Actually, anti-Zionism is very much antisemitic. Why should the Jews, of all people, not have a place of their own? If not because they're Jewish, then why?

So, you suggest that the Jews should have a place of their own, shouldn't then all other races and religions have a place of their own?

Should there be a country for whites only? Or how about Christians, should they not have a place of their own?

What is it in your mind that makes the Jews special to the point that only they should have their own land, separate from non-Jews?

 

[vh13]

If you think it's simply "relocating" Arabs, than you have no idea what you are talking about, first off. Secondly, just because there were Jews persecuted by Germans does not mean they are suddenly entitled to a greater right than the Arabs to go and steal the land. I'm sorry, but your wrong on so many levels.

I agree with your objections. It's true, Israel has been very aggressive. But what should be done about it? Wipe Israel off the face of the map? Because that's an anti-Zionist. A racist bigot who believes the Jewish people have no rightful place of their own.

I like smok3y1's general notion: the taker should give back in some way. Perhaps Israel should begin to consider trying to take restitution, rather then retribution, with it's neighbors.

But as the video pointed out, the Jews are very angry after thousands of years of persecution, holocaust after holocaust, including now, and many of the children of Israel have become arrogant. Their actions are like frustrated children who have finally gained strength and are now lashing out with all their force in a futile effort to get their way, unaware of the consequences of their actions.

[/B]In order to be a pro-democracy American, I can't agree with you at all. One of the core foundations of the American way is freedom of religion. Therefore, never ever ever will I promote religious or ethnic persecution or segregation of any kind. Do you not realize that this is what you promote?

What's really pathetic is people who are pro-Zionist refuse to accept the fact that Israel is essentially committing genocide. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2009/01/200911321467988347.html

Pathetic.

Liar. What have I been promoting?

It's easy to lump me into the rest just because I object to fallacious remarks on news snippets from buzz word using politicos to determine "how we should think about the Jew problem."

It's also easy to throw words around like they don't mean anything. But as Hitler proves in history, words have meaning, and we would should take care to make honest criticisms if we wish to achieve honest results.

Actually, I agree here. You fail to realize that being American is not exclusive to the United States. You can be anti-United States of America and still not hate Americans. I have empathy for a lot of people around the world who hate the US government, and I do not feel as though they have that same hatred for me.

That's easy for you to say, but is your family tree measured by empty gaps? Are you frequently reminded how many times your people have been singled out and persecuted by the same slanderous insults believed to be truth for hundreds and thousands of years?

History tells very important lessons and they are difficult to forget. They're the same rules every other sovereign nation follows.

Perhaps this modern era is different, the American dream is quite unique, as you say... but a lot of Jews truly believe the only way to ensure the survival of their peoples is to maintain a permanent home.

But if you think you won't be singled out and persecuted in some parts of this world just because you're an American you're the one who is failing to realize something.

 

[vh13]

So, you suggest that the Jews should have a place of their own, shouldn't then all other races and religions have a place of their own?

Yes, if they truly choose to do so. That would be ideal, wouldn't you agree?

Should there be a country for whites only? Or how about Christians, should they not have a place of their own?

There are many countries that are "white," look at Northern and Eastern Europe. Some other ethnic groups are slowly filtering into some places, but not in all nations. Also, there are many "Christian" nations, and "Muslim" nations as well. But there is only one Jewish nation.

What is it in your mind that makes the Jews special to the point that only they should have their own land, separate from non-Jews?

What is it in your mind that you think any persecuted group in this world shouldn't?

 

[sync0s]

I agree with your objections. It's true, Israel has been very aggressive. But what should be done about it? Wipe Israel off the face of the map? Because that's an anti-Zionist. A racist bigot who believes the Jewish people have no rightful place of their own.

I like smok3y1's general notion: the taker should give back in some way. Perhaps Israel should begin to consider trying to take restitution, rather then retribution, with it's neighbors.

But as the video pointed out, the Jews are very angry after thousands of years of persecution, holocaust after holocaust, including now, and many of the children of Israel have become arrogant. Their actions are like frustrated children who have finally gained strength and are now lashing out with all their force in a futile effort to get their way, unaware of the consequences of their actions.

Wrong.

Anti-Zionism is opposition to Zionistic views or opposition to the state of Israel.

Why do so many people feel entitled to what hasn't happened to them, but their ancestors? History is history, you learn from it and move the fuck on.

Liar. What have I been promoting?

It's easy to lump me into the rest just because I object to fallacious remarks on news snippets from buzz word using politicos to determine "how we should think about the Jew problem."

It's also easy to throw words around like they don't mean anything. But as Hitler proves in history, words have meaning, and we would should take care to make honest criticisms if we wish to achieve honest results.

You're denial only demonstrates ignorance. Your promotion only continues in the next quote block....

That's easy for you to say, but is your family tree measured by empty gaps? Are you frequently reminded how many times your people have been singled out and persecuted by the same slanderous insults believed to be truth for hundreds and thousands of years?

History tells very important lessons and they are difficult to forget. They're the same rules every other sovereign nation follows.

Perhaps this modern era is different, the American dream is quite unique, as you say... but a lot of Jews truly believe the only way to ensure the survival of their peoples is to maintain a permanent home.

But if you think you won't be singled out and persecuted in some parts of this world just because you're an American you're the one who is failing to realize something.

Does this mean "your people" (I have a problem with this statement, but that's for another argument) are suddenly entitled to not only commit genocide against the Palistinians, but to forcible remove them from their home, call it your home, and isolate them in ghettos within the gaza strip and the west bank? Oh yes, that bold word was used intentionally.

Hypocrites will never carry sympathy from me.....

I know that being American means I can and will be persecuted in other places around the world. What does that have to do with anything? It does not change my mind that genocide is wrong and committing genocide in order to retribute genocide is also wrong. I will never support a nation that commits genocide, or a politician who supports them. However, you insist on people making exceptions to that rule. You act just like the politicians in softening the situation by calling it "very aggressive behavior."

The only way Israel will recieve my support is if they support an independent Palistinian government.

 

[growsolo]

There are many countries that are "white," look at Northern and Eastern Europe. Some other ethnic groups are slowly filtering into some places, but not in all nations.

I gotta call you out on this bullshit, you can't find a nation that is exclusively white anywhere on the planet, all formerly white nations now suffer under the rule of mandated multiculturalism.

Also, there are many "Christian" nations, and "Muslim" nations as well. But there is only one Jewish nation.

Oh yeah? Where are these exclusive Christian nations?

What is it in your mind that you think any persecuted group in this world shouldn't?

So because you feel the Jews as a whole have been persecuted, you feel that they should have special rights not afforded to the rest of humanity, how very kind of you, thank you master.