Ron Paul Has International Support

[NoDrama]

And here is a fine example of a Ron Paul supporter, everyone. Mock a man whose mother is dying of cancer. This is the kind of following Ron Paul has and this is the type of Administration you will get from him. Keep typing. Keep showing the world the true ugly side of Ron Paul's ideology. Dig that hole deeper and deeper. Show everyone what a pathetic waste of skin you truly are.

I am not Mocking you, that would be cruel, i am trying to get you to see your illogical assumptions. Don't be such a cry baby all the time.

I assume she has no insurance, after all she is dying of cancer, don't you know that you can never die if you have insurance Carne? I mean that RP Staffer that didn't have insurance died, even he got top care, he died anyway, therefore it MUST be because he didn't have insurance. Never mind the fact that Ron Paul paid out of his own pocket to help pay his staffer's bills, that proves nothing, the only thing that is proven is that only those people without insurance die, and those with insurance live forever.Do you see how using your logic makes one feel and look stupid?

My Point?

Even if you have the greatest insurance known to man kind, you are still going to die! This is well proven by Carne's poor mother who is going to die no matter how much of a hospital bill she racks up and Kent Snyder, Ron Paul's staffer who also died from complications from pneumonia. Pneumonia is one of the leading causes of death in the world. Before the advent of antibiotics, Pneumonia had a 30% mortality rate.

Kent Snyder made enough money to get Health insurance, but he felt the premiums were too high because of his pre existing condition. He COULD have gotten insurance, but he took a chance and it didn't pan out for him. No government can ever make risk go away entirely. And he received excellent care, $400,000 of it to be precise, so it matters not whether he had insurance. He died because the disease was beyond what medicine could cure, not because he had no insurance. And don't give me that stupid argument that if he had insurance he would have went to the doctor sooner because you do not know that for a fact, therefore it is speculation. Deal with the facts, Snyder got the same care as if he had insurance, he received copious quantities of that care and died anyway.

Guess what Carne? your gonna die one day and nothing you do will stop that from happening.

 

[UncleBuck]

now ask yourself the same question.

• You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to fdd2blk again.
  
  
  
  

 

[Dan Kone]

I was just thinking that we needed more Ron Paul threads. Thanks for posting this.

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[canndo]

I am not Mocking you, that would be cruel, i am trying to get you to see your illogical assumptions. Don't be such a cry baby all the time.

I assume she has no insurance, after all she is dying of cancer, don't you know that you can never die if you have insurance Carne? I mean that RP Staffer that didn't have insurance died, even he got top care, he died anyway, therefore it MUST be because he didn't have insurance. Never mind the fact that Ron Paul paid out of his own pocket to help pay his staffer's bills, that proves nothing, the only thing that is proven is that only those people without insurance die, and those with insurance live forever.Do you see how using your logic makes one feel and look stupid?

My Point?

Even if you have the greatest insurance known to man kind, you are still going to die! This is well proven by Carne's poor mother who is going to die no matter how much of a hospital bill she racks up and Kent Snyder, Ron Paul's staffer who also died from complications from pneumonia. Pneumonia is one of the leading causes of death in the world. Before the advent of antibiotics, Pneumonia had a 30% mortality rate.

Kent Snyder made enough money to get Health insurance, but he felt the premiums were too high because of his pre existing condition. He COULD have gotten insurance, but he took a chance and it didn't pan out for him. No government can ever make risk go away entirely. And he received excellent care, $400,000 of it to be precise, so it matters not whether he had insurance. He died because the disease was beyond what medicine could cure, not because he had no insurance. And don't give me that stupid argument that if he had insurance he would have went to the doctor sooner because you do not know that for a fact, therefore it is speculation. Deal with the facts, Snyder got the same care as if he had insurance, he received copious quantities of that care and died anyway.

Guess what Carne? your gonna die one day and nothing you do will stop that from happening.

NoDrama, you often come up with some worthwhile arguments and many of them present logical thought processes but this is not one of them.

people with insurance die, but people with insurance:

1. don't go bankrupt as easily keeping a loved one alive longer
2. Tend to live longer as a result of having insurance
3. Tend to have a higher quality of life

 

[Dan Kone]

What? If your mom has insurance then she won't die. If she doesn't have insurance then she will die, and it will be all your fault for not providing that insurance for her.

Really low dude.

 

[Zaehet Strife]

I know of at least a dozen people, that have never voted before, that will be voting for him if given the chance.

im one of them, because i refused to vote for any of those puppets from the past

 

[HereToday]

People without insurance Tend to not go to a doctor and end up with worse problems. My grandfather Actually had insurance. Really good insurance but he hated doctors. That pain in his side he let go for a year until it got unbearable. Of Course by then the cancer had spred from his liver to his Colon and it was game over.

I wonder how many people would be against medicaid if poor people actually went to see a doctor instead of spreading TB to everyone they come in contact with

 

[Sure Shot]

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[UncleBuck]

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too bad people decide elections, not tweets.

and your guy lost.

talking about tweets, he sent out a classless, not so presidential tweet after he lost.

LOL!

 

[Sure Shot]

talking about tweets, he sent out a classless, not so presidential tweet after he lost.
LOL!

“@jonhuntsman we found your one Iowa voter, he’s in Linn precinct 5 you might want to call him and say thanks,” read the tweet that came from Paul’s verified Twitter account.

Ya. I don't appreciate that myself UB. Something we can agree on.

 

[NoDrama]

It's all about his purist ideology. An ideology so twisted that it allowed his campaign manager and so-called close friend to languish and die in a hospital. Which could have been prevented with health care which Ron the Paul did not provide for his staff yet every other candidate did.

Really low dude.

People without insurance Tend to not go to a doctor and end up with worse problems. My grandfather Actually had insurance. Really good insurance but he hated doctors. That pain in his side he let go for a year until it got unbearable. Of Course by then the cancer had spred from his liver to his Colon and it was game over.

I wonder how many people would be against medicaid if poor people actually went to see a doctor instead of spreading TB to everyone they come in contact with

NoDrama, you often come up with some worthwhile arguments and many of them present logical thought processes but this is not one of them.

people with insurance die, but people with insurance:

1. don't go bankrupt as easily keeping a loved one alive longer
2. Tend to live longer as a result of having insurance
3. Tend to have a higher quality of life

I am wondering how many of you have called carne out for his obviously stupid thought process, my posts are only ridiculing him by using the exact same process in which to thwart his attempts at spinning the truth.

Dan: You don't see the hypocrisy?
Duke: Thanks for backing me up with your anecdotal story of how having insurance doesn't necessarily help you one fucking bit.

Canndo: I am totally for having insurance, but not having insurance doesn't mean you can't get care. If poor people have no insurance they can get the care they need, its not like the hospital is going to sue that person and somehow get the money out of them. Poor people don't have money, that is why they are poor. Charities, fundraisers, spaghetti fucking dinners, Churches etc etc etc can also help. You would be surprised at how many people don't pay their hospital bills, it is a epidemic.

As far as the 3 points you made:

1: Going Bankrupt isn't the end of the world, I know lots of people who have had it happen to them and life really didn't change much. Also, there are plenty of people who incurred medical expenses that were so great their insurance could not cover it all and they still went bankrupt. Most insurance has a monetary limit.
2: No contest, they can keep you alive on a machine for years and years and years as long as someone pays for it.
3: this supposed statistic isn't even measurable. a 80 year old with insurance dying from cancer does not have a higher quality of life than a 21 year old prime of his life male college student with no insurance. They only have a higher quality of life amongst people who get sick, OBVIOUSLY! that is the whole point of insurance, its the whole point of why everyone in my household has insurance, so in case someone gets sick I don't have to pay for it out of my pocket and we get the best care possible becasue money is no object up to a point.


Some people don't enjoy going to the doctor because often times the doctor doesn't know jack shit and nothing he says or prescribes makes things better. I knew a guy who started coughing really bad, went to the doctor cuz, you know, he had insurance and everything. Doctor checks him all out and says it's acid reflux, prescribes some medication. few weeks later the guy is coughing himself unconscious it is so bad. Goes back to the doctor who then prescribes some antibiotics, still a month later he is coughing himself and blood is coming up, goes back to the doctor who sends him to a specialist. Yep, sure enough, he has lung cancer (Guy didn't smoke anything in his life either), dead 2 months later. Had fucking really good insurance from where he worked too.

 

[WillyBagseed]

It costs more for us to pay for all the poor peoples emergency care than it does to insure them.

It costs more in human lives and money to have people w8 until they are critically sick and go to the emergency room than to have preventative care.

The largest single cause of bankruptcy is health care bills / emergency care. So in the wealthiest (atm) country on the planet you can lose almost everything you own due to being sick....

How FUCKING sick is that?


*Basic Health care is a right not a privilege. (and believe it or not it is cheaper than our current corrupt system)

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Medicare Part E veryone (falls under article 1 section 8)

 

[Harrekin]

It costs more for us to pay for all the poor peoples emergency care than it does to insure them.

It costs more in human lives and money to have people w8 until they are critically sick and go to the emergency room than to have preventative care.

The largest single cause of bankruptcy is health care bills / emergency care. So in the wealthiest (atm) country on the planet you can lose almost everything you own due to being sick....

How FUCKING sick is that?


*Health care is a right not a privilege. (and believe it or not it is cheaper than our current corrupt system)

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Yeah but it doesn't say people have the right to free insurance or healthcare. State run/provided healthcare is slow, inefficient, insanely expensive which has to be paid for in taxes. It ultimately just doesn't work properly, trust me.

 

[sync0s]

The largest single cause of bankruptcy is health care bills / emergency care. So in the wealthiest (atm) country on the planet you can lose almost everything you own due to being sick....

I think a more root cause to that even is the fact that nobody knows the cost of a health care procedure. Health insurance companies are powerful negotiators and hospitals rarely see their quote paid in full. They jack their prices up so that when insurance companies barter for less the hospital isn't screwed on the deal. They do this same policy for people who don't have health insurance or pay their own health care. Few realize that the price they are being quoted they don't have to pay, but we as Americans no longer know what a fair price for a check up or a CAT scan is. The health industry has succeeded in blinding us from knowing this.

 

[WillyBagseed]

It worked for me when I lived in Germany and France.

It worked for me when I was in the USAF.

It works for my Aunt and Uncle who still live in France.

It works for my 2 cousins in Quebec , Canada..........


Me , No insurance - self employed USA

1992 1 hour sinus surgery and then 4 hours in the hospital for observation. $15,000.00 asked. $10,000.00 actual cost

2003 Heart attack
Ambulance for 1 mile $900.00
Flight for life - $11,000.00
1 Stent put in and 48 hours in the hospital - $63,000.00
Total $75,000.00 settled for $48k.

How many average people can pay that stupid shit? Not complaining for me but god damn, it is bullshit the way the USA does shit.

2 days in hospital in France as an American citizen = 0$

YES !!! our system rocks !!!!

 

[NoDrama]

too bad people decide elections, not tweets.

and your guy lost.

talking about tweets, he sent out a classless, not so presidential tweet after he lost.

LOL!

Ron Paul does not actually send out tweets, staffers do. Whether an overzealous staffer who went too far or perhaps even a hacked account, It really does not hold consistent with Ron Paul the man, of which I think even you will agree.

 

[NoDrama]

The largest single cause of bankruptcy is health care bills / emergency care. So in the wealthiest (atm) country on the planet you can lose almost everything you own due to being sick....

How FUCKING sick is that?

yep they lose everything except their car(up to a certain value), their home, all their household goods, all their clothing and any money they have in a qualified retirement account. Most people who declare bankruptcy lose the debt and nothing else.

 

[sync0s]

It worked for me when I lived in Germany and France.

It worked for me when I was in the USAF.

It works for my Aunt and Uncle who still live in France.

It works for my 2 cousins in Quebec , Canada..........


Me , No insurance - self employed USA

1992 1 hour sinus surgery and then 4 hours in the hospital for observation. $15,000.00 asked. $10,000.00 actual cost

2003 Heart attack
Ambulance for 1 mile $900.00
Flight for life - $11,000.00
1 Stent put in and 48 hours in the hospital - $63,000.00
Total $75,000.00 settled for $48k.

How many average people can pay that stupid shit? Not complaining for me but god damn, it is bullshit the way the USA does shit.

2 days in hospital in France as an American citizen = 0$

YES !!! our system rocks !!!!

This is why the health insurance companies are so profitable in this country. You see that price tag of $75,000 and got it to $48,000. I'm willing to bet if it was an insurance company they would have bullied the shit out of the hospital down to $20,000 or less.

 

[WillyBagseed]

[h=3]Lien avoidance[/h]Some types of liens may be avoided through a chapter 7 bankruptcy case. However, BAPCPA limited the ability of debtors to avoid liens through bankruptcy. The definition of “household goods” was changed limiting “electronic equipment” to one radio, one television, one VCR, and one personal computer with related equipment. The definition now excludes works of art not created by the debtor or a relative of the debtor, jewelry worth more than $500 (except wedding rings), and motor vehicles (§ 521(f)(1)(B)). Prior to BAPCPA, the definition of household goods was broader so that more items could have been included, including more than one television, VCR, radio, etc.
[h=3][edit]Limits to the homestead exemption[/h]Under the new law, the homestead exemption, which allows bankruptcy filers in some states to exempt the value of their homes from creditors, is limited in various ways. If a filer acquired their home less than 1,215 days (40 months) before filing, or if they have been convicted of security law violations or been found guilty of certain crimes, they may only exempt up to $125,000 (adjusted periodically), regardless of a state's exemption allowance.(§ 522(p)(1)). Filers must also wait 730 days before they are allowed to use their state's exemptions. (§ 522(b)(3)(A)). There is an exception if the property is “reasonably necessary for the support of the debtor and any dependent of the debtor.”

 

[WillyBagseed]

The point is not the cost or the care, it is the fact that there is a middle man between you and health care and all he is there for is to make a profit from you being sick.



For profit prisons and for profit health care are 2 of the most insane ideas ever.


actual cost thru my wifes insurance (if I had been covered) would have been about $35k, still too fucked up when actual cost is about 8-10k