Care Giver..or Drug Dealer?

[purklize]

The British, even at the peak of their power, faced constant challenges by France and Germany, culminating in WWI and WWII. There were no such challenges to US power in the 90s.

The US is still #1 in the world in total GDP; Norway is the highest in GDP per capita, but this is largely due to oil wealth.

The US however is far behind on standard of living and health care quality rankings... Europe has us beat there. Free market capitalism is a real nightmare.

The police state is perhaps more frightening in Britain than here; you have far more cameras, no guns, far more peoples' DNA on file and stricter limitations on free speech. Sooner or later both of us will probably have to leave our respective countries as I feel the US is only marginally behind Britain on this issue.

Though, don't forget, I do not find "great empire" to be a point of pride. Empires are almost always detrimental to everyone inside and outside their borders, except for a handful of powerful rich bureaucrats and businessmen.

 

[hic]

So now we have gone from hate to history in oh so few pages. I find myself at awe at the pure beauty of mankind. How gracefull and perfect we are. I wish any and all to read from the 1st page to the last page and tell me when you are done that we are brothers.... Fuck half of you wanna join up and form a army to have your rights but yet you are not to the point to agree on a plant. HA HA HA you think I am dillusional. You guys could not get along long enough to share a band-aid. I also bet you would cut each other off in traffic cause that is your breed.

Horrible just horrible.

 

[purklize]

Nah, no hate here... we need a more scientific attitude though, one where baseless claims need to be supported, and those of that other guy were not supported by anything except his rude and insulting attitude... a culture of tolerance of ego games and misinformation is not one we want here.

 

[abe supercro]

If I perhaps am the rude indiv u speak of, I'll not tread where not welcomed. And I'm doing what I can to make sense of a mess. Sometimes it takes longer for me to put things together than the next guy. I believed you to be sensitive to this and would hope for understanding. I removed the swear. But daddy, he started. I protect myself the way I deem -at the moment- to be the most effective. I've had brats lip especially on this site and harsh direct words get them off me fast. I believe that I was wrong in this instance. I believe that you may better relate now. Gone from this room,,,

Peace

 

[purklize]

Oh shit, jesus lol - it's not you, you're a good dude! Sorry to make you feel crappy! >_< I was referring to "MixedMelodyMindBender", see his posts from page 19-20 I think...

 

[abe supercro]

It's all good. Guess i got those quick reflex defenses up.

 

[CharlieBud]

Where is Rome again?

 

[st0wandgrow]

You swallowed the blue pill. Both are poison!

Not really Charlie. Under normal circumstances I would agree with you that all/most politicians are slime .... Republicans and Democrats.

But in the case of Michigan medical marijuana, the battle lines have been drawn. The votes will be along party lines. Republicans will overwhelmingly vote FOR the bills, and Democrats will vote against the bills. I will swallow the blue pill in this instance.

 

[Timmahh]

yes, we need to massage the Dems that are still hanging on the line, but after the last few weeks of repub antics, it should not be to hard to do. but We Must get EVERY DEM to vote no on these bills.

 

[delstele]

yes, we need to massage the Dems that are still hanging on the line, but after the last few weeks of repub antics, it should not be to hard to do. but We Must get EVERY DEM to vote no on these bills.

Fuck them both neither party is out for the best interest of the people...

 

[phishtank]

In what world does 80 grand a year sound like an over-inflated income even if he was making that much.

 

[Bigtacofarmer]

The more I read posts by Timmahh and his minions, the more I am certain that they care not for patient rights. When a situation occurs that a patient can't grow their own meds, a care giver is a viable and fair means of support for that patient. As long as the care giver is just that, a care giver.

Yes, the care giver should be re numerated for his efforts. But no where in the law, or it's intent. was the care giver given the right to make care giving a high paid career.

That's exactly what Timmahh wants. he feels that a patient, should be allowed to become a cg, then grow out all 72 plants that he is legally "entitled" to. Regardless of actual patient needs. He is trying to justify that care giver flowering out 36 plants or so every 2 months. 108 oz dry at 3 oz per plant. Then suggests that it's fine for that cg to give his patients an oz a month...so 12 ozs from that 108..leaving 96 oz per month to sell to whomever he wish (so long as they have a card) at 200 an oz minimum. That's $19,200 every two months for the cg...That's a profiteer, a cannabis dealer, not a care giver...

He's trying to justify a six figure income...as fair compensation for helping 5 patients.....for work that is worth far , far less.

And that folks, has nothing to do with caring for patients....it's greed, pure and simple.

Is his product any good? What did he spend learning? What do you do for a living? Why don't you grow your own? Whats his power bill? What did he spend on strains? Who do you fix a mite infestation? What does you plants look like? How many hours a week does he spend making sure you got medicine? If your not buying all of it your self then why do you think it is you business what he does with his overages? Have you ever had to pick the seeds out of schwag? How much does he spend on light bulbs alone? Do you think that for some reason a passionate grower is a drug dealer just because of fucked up laws? Do you think he should tell you to find your medicine else where? Do you think good marijuana was bred by law abiding citizens since the medical law went through? Do you think you can produce top shelf marijuana and a predictable and repeatable fashion? Do you think $200 and ounce is a lot (I don't)? Can you do your job for free?

Just in case you missed it.... Get over it, if his weed sucks get a better caregiver! If his product is great, thank him for not being a pussy and learning to do it right! Please do everyone a favor and go out and pick a strain that was not bred by a criminal (freedom fighter) and grow it yourself. I don't think caregivers should be harassed by ungrateful patients who have no understanding of what it takes to grow great pot and the history behind making it great. Mind your own business he is doing you a favor! If his product is produced with love then he will easily replace you and should!

 

[purklize]

Where is Rome again?

Dude, what the fuck, it's the capitol of Egypt you jackass.

 

[CharlieBud]

Dude, what the fuck, it's the capitol of Egypt you jackass.

I thought it was in Macedonia! Or was it the seat of the Inca Empire?

 

[purklize]

If caregivers aren't "real caregivers" because they charge the equivalent of 10-20/hour for their services, I shudder to think what doctors are.

 

[RawBudzski]

If caregivers aren't "real caregivers" because they charge the equivalent of 10-20/hour for their services, I shudder to think what doctors are.

I bet there are more half-ass caregivers than real ones who are 100% legit. I do not think your post holds up since the majority of our Docs study & put in much more effort in learning about their profession than many wannabe cash cropping care-givers. I only give kudos to those who have elaborate setups providing the best meds. Anything less thrown together in a closet above personal plant limits is a joke to me.

This comes from my personal experience in the mmj community around here & I have seen more garbage "caregivers" than should be acceptable. Need regulations for them imo. product testing & such, most of them would be be unable to further call themselves a "caregiver".

 

[purklize]

I bet there are more half-ass caregivers than real ones who are 100% legit. I do not think your post holds up since the majority of our Docs study & put in much more effort in learning about their profession than many wannabe cash cropping care-givers. I only give kudos to those who have elaborate setups providing the best meds. Anything less thrown together in a closet above personal plant limits is a joke to me.

This comes from my personal experience in the mmj community around here & I have seen more garbage "caregivers" than is should be acceptable. Need regulations for them imo. product testing & such, most of them would be be unable to further call themselves a "caregiver".

I agree with you on med quality, caregivers should be able to provide good stuff, if it's one crop that's substandard due to extenuating circumstances like an infestation, or a long power outage, etc. then it's okay in my book, but it's not okay if the poor results are the result of ignorance or laziness.

However - doctors are also paid a lot more than caregivers, and their care is often needed to live. They charge anywhere from 300-1000/hour and if you don't have the dough you usually get to die. I know someone whose friend had cervical cancer, she worked at Salvation Army and kept throwing up so she got fired for puking too much... they knew she had cancer, provided her with no health plan and no doctor would see her unless it was an emergency (as in, bleeding to death from a gunshot wound). I don't know what happened to her after that, I assume she's gone by now. She was 21.

My point is... single payer healthcare would solve the issues with doctors and the issues with caregivers relating to costs. The sick shouldn't have to pay, part of being sick is being unable to work or maintain a high income... those who are gravely ill shouldn't have to worry about money, stress impacts your health... they should be given a long vacation on the beach and told to just relax and let the doctors do their work and not worry about it.

 

[st0wandgrow]

I bet there are more half-ass caregivers than real ones who are 100% legit. I do not think your post holds up since the majority of our Docs study & put in much more effort in learning about their profession than many wannabe cash cropping care-givers. I only give kudos to those who have elaborate setups providing the best meds. Anything less thrown together in a closet above personal plant limits is a joke to me.

This comes from my personal experience in the mmj community around here & I have seen more garbage "caregivers" than should be acceptable. Need regulations for them imo. product testing & such, most of them would be be unable to further call themselves a "caregiver".

Don't kid yourself RawBudzki, doctors are often times nothing more than drug dealers themselves. They peddle fancy little pills that fatten their wallets, and poison our systems.

My wife was a nurse for years, and those drug reps spend millions on "perks" to doctors so that they will push their products. In America we're not interested in curing disease. It's much too profitable to keep people sick and treat their symptoms.

I agree with you that caregivers should be providing quality meds with no interruption in the supply of them. But do you know what the great thing about it is? If a caregiver isn't holding up his/her end of the bargain, many other caregivers are out there. Do you know why many other caregivers are out there? Because they can turn a profit through caregiving. If there was no way of making a buck, you better believe there would be a lot fewer options for patients.

If all else fails, a patient can grow their OWN meds! What a novel concept! No patient is stuck. There are far too many options out there for patients for me to sit here feeling sorry for them.

 

[bird mcbride]

To set up my op you need to know electrical, plumbing, almost space science atmosphere control BS, more gardening knowlegde than they teach in university etc. I don,t work for free.

 

[bob harris]

Is his product any good? What did he spend learning? What do you do for a living? Why don't you grow your own? Whats his power bill? What did he spend on strains? Who do you fix a mite infestation? What does you plants look like? How many hours a week does he spend making sure you got medicine? If your not buying all of it your self then why do you think it is you business what he does with his overages? Have you ever had to pick the seeds out of schwag? How much does he spend on light bulbs alone? Do you think that for some reason a passionate grower is a drug dealer just because of fucked up laws? Do you think he should tell you to find your medicine else where? Do you think good marijuana was bred by law abiding citizens since the medical law went through? Do you think you can produce top shelf marijuana and a predictable and repeatable fashion? Do you think $200 and ounce is a lot (I don't)? Can you do your job for free?

Just in case you missed it.... Get over it, if his weed sucks get a better caregiver! If his product is great, thank him for not being a pussy and learning to do it right! Please do everyone a favor and go out and pick a strain that was not bred by a criminal (freedom fighter) and grow it yourself. I don't think caregivers should be harassed by ungrateful patients who have no understanding of what it takes to grow great pot and the history behind making it great. Mind your own business he is doing you a favor! If his product is produced with love then he will easily replace you and should!

I do grow my own. Top shelf grow room, all the controls. Top shelf meds, consistently. I know exactly how much work goes into growing. I grow a land race Sativa..not a new fangled cross. High end meds can be produced well under $100 an oz..including a good wage.

The law was never intended to make caregivers a profession.