How to delineate growing experience from the typicall 2 yr "master"

Snow602 said:
I am really intrested to know more on why genetics are so important I understand what you are saying but also touching on genetics can be a hit and miss when it comes to the real goal which I would think is trying to help people with different illness cope with their pain, fatigue, nausea, etc. I mean no disrespect I am just saying IMO if your friend only grew some SD, Widow Berry, and JH and was damn good at it I think he could do well for himself especially if he knows his stuff I mean there are very basic people out there that just want their pain to go away they dont really care whats new and my guess would be it might be older folks that have the cards as well as younger folks. I mean my wife that has Fibro, RA, Lupis, Arthritis,RLS.. I mean she wouldnt care if you said OG master kush compared to Phoenix suns or ATF she would just want it to wok . From what I found those meds (JH and SD) have proven to work with other patients if they work at helping her just a little bit I think she wouldnt be so worried about new genetics but focusing on what made her feel better to have a least have a semi normal day with the least amount of pain. Again all my opinion
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You have just reiterated why genetics are so important. New or Old it does not matter, it is about effectiveness. Many of the current breeders in the US are creating new strains with specific ailments in mind. In Israel a new strain just came out, Avidekel, almost no THC content and 15% CBD. In laymen terms that means more medicinal qualities and less of a euphoric high.. Dirt strains will not give your wife the relief she needs, but at the same time smoking the most potent strain my not be the solution either. Regardless, genetics are going to be important and growers who do not understand the medicinal values of their strains probably just smoke to get high. To each their own...
 
Chronicseeker said:
You have just reiterated why genetics are so important. New or Old it does not matter, it is about effectiveness. Many of the current breeders in the US are creating new strains with specific ailments in mind. In Israel a new strain just came out, Avidekel, almost no THC content and 15% CBD. In laymen terms that means more medicinal qualities and less of a euphoric high.. Dirt strains will not give your wife the relief she needs, but at the same time smoking the most potent strain my not be the solution either. Regardless, genetics are going to be important and growers who do not understand the medicinal values of their strains probably just smoke to get high. To each their own...
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I saw a documentary on that shit with that white hair doctor.. In Isreal they are prescribing MMJ pills with no THC content all medical value.
 
Snow602 said:
I am really intrested to know more on why genetics are so important I understand what you are saying but also touching on genetics can be a hit and miss when it comes to the real goal which I would think is trying to help people with different illness cope with their pain, fatigue, nausea, etc. I mean no disrespect I am just saying IMO if your friend only grew some SD, Widow Berry, and JH and was damn good at it I think he could do well for himself especially if he knows his stuff I mean there are very basic people out there that just want their pain to go away they dont really care whats new and my guess would be it might be older folks that have the cards as well as younger folks. I mean my wife that has Fibro, RA, Lupis, Arthritis,RLS.. I mean she wouldnt care if you said OG master kush compared to Phoenix suns or ATF she would just want it to wok . From what I found those meds (JH and SD) have proven to work with other patients if they work at helping her just a little bit I think she wouldnt be so worried about new genetics but focusing on what made her feel better to have a least have a semi normal day with the least amount of pain. Again all my opinion
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Have you ever had your doctor say, "hey this new drug came out and would work great with your condition?" that is what I am referring to. She might not know the difference but when she does step out of her box and try something different, she could be overwhelmed with how much she likes it. I see what you are saying but allof my patients (even the ones that dont smoke or didnt smoke before this) are now stoners based on the genetics i have. They love em so much and have such great medicinal values (for them) that they couldnt be happier. let's say I breed JH x SD, now I just created a strain as good, if not better then before. Now everyone that likes JH and everyoNe that likes SD, now have a 'new' strain to try. My goal is to ultimately create strains that Help patients with their specific ailments. If you dot have quality genetics to choose from, then all in all you are ripping patients off. Giving them 'OK' medicine when it should be the BEST medicine.
 
If a dispensary hires a grower/breeder, they can breed proprietary strains only available at their dispensary.
It is not neccesary though due to the large amount of strains available to anyone right now.
Many connected growers can get their hands on elite cuts that no one else is currently growing locally.

I think any grower that can handle at least 20k watts of light and produce a quality product will have no trouble finding work.
I have talked to some prospective dispensary owners and just by having a conversation, they know that I know what I am talking about.
There are many factors that come into play growing large scale. If you talk about things that the bullshitters are not even mentioning, the interviewer should figure it out.
 
Yep then I said I would start asking real questions. In addition you also can tell if someone is spewing information vs knowledge.

Also notice I said you have to know "why" when adding nutrients. Catation Exchange would be one subject very few and even those here could answer quickly of the top of their heads. Not taking away from any grower here. However the ones that start talking at the charged partical level maybe a little more advanced than a Jorge Cervantes book.
 
personified said:
Yep then I said I would start asking real questions. In addition you also can tell if someone is spewing information vs knowledge.

Also notice I said you have to know "why" when adding nutrients. Catation Exchange would be one subject very few and even those here could answer quickly of the top of their heads. Not taking away from any grower here. However the ones that start talking at the charged partical level maybe a little more advanced than a Jorge Cervantes book.
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cation exchange you mean??
I'd trust a mans growing skill over his knowledge of soil PH verbiage.
 
personified said:
Yep then I said I would start asking real questions. In addition you also can tell if someone is spewing information vs knowledge.

Also notice I said you have to know "why" when adding nutrients. Catation Exchange would be one subject very few and even those here could answer quickly of the top of their heads. Not taking away from any grower here. However the ones that start talking at the charged partical level maybe a little more advanced than a Jorge Cervantes book.
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i know many growers. many of them could not answer your questions easily, but they can grow bud that will knock your socks off.
just like cooking, you don't need a recipe to make good food if you know what tastes good.

i'm not saying that your questions are unreasonable, just that some good growers won't be able to answer everything you ask easily.
 
KAL EL said:
i know many growers. many of them could not answer your questions easily, but they can grow bud that will knock your socks off.
just like cooking, you don't need a recipe to make good food if you know what tastes good.

i'm not saying that your questions are unreasonable, just that some good growers won't be able to answer everything you ask easily.
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I totally agree.. I do a lot of environmental stuff here in the state, my background is mining and I never heard the term "cation exchange" until I was in college, the guys I graduated with could write you a book on " cation exchange" not "catation " by the way. But they couldnt grow a plant for shit. Definitely couldn't grow cannabis. One of the best MMJ growers I know dropped out of highschool and would tell you " go fuck yourself" if you asked him what cation exchange was, its just a fancy word for "understanding soil PH."
 
personified said:
Yep then I said I would start asking real questions. In addition you also can tell if someone is spewing information vs knowledge.

Also notice I said you have to know "why" when adding nutrients. Catation Exchange would be one subject very few and even those here could answer quickly of the top of their heads. Not taking away from any grower here. However the ones that start talking at the charged partical level maybe a little more advanced than a Jorge Cervantes book.
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I would trust some kid that grows dank and has proof he grows it then to trust someone that can answer questions. It's not that hard to read or to listen to someone more knowledgeable then yourself. I know some mountain men that grow some super dank but couldnt tell you the difference between those two things you stated. All I am saying is the proof is in the pudding. Being book smart in a growing situation has to little to do with it. Experience, experience, experience!
 
Strain info as far as medicine goes is easy to find. Here is my site with exactly that info (no I do not have every strain but quite a few) http://www.medicaljurisdiction.com/medical-marijuana/mmj-cures/thc-cbd-cbn.htm

Have I grown all of those? No. However, I have grown or am currently growing the major strain variations such as kush, berry, cheese, og, ww, SLH and SSH as well as other GHS new varieties, Pinapples. While I will agree each has its own needs I believe I can tell you how most strains are going to act by the phenotype during growth and the cannabinoids interaction with CB receptors as medicine.
http://www.medicaljurisdiction.com/medical-marijuana/mmj-cures/cbd-cbn-thc.php

Now I think the biggest part to remeber is that a grower may have input as to what to grow but not the final decsision. I as someone who is hiring is not letting you make that decision it would not be in my business plan.

To start this and not be a grower would be foolish. What happens if your grower dies? You better know how to step in and take over or lose a lot of money.

If your not a grower doing the interview your all ready doomed in many ways.
 
I think that if you really want to grow and are persistent enough and not a fucking idiot you will find a place for yourself. There are over 30,000 patients and they will all need meds from somewhere. And ultimately the people who succeed will succeed because they not only have the growing skills and experience but they also have a sound business sense. Just like any other industry, the same things will lead to success, good customer service, reliable quality, proprietary products, proper marketing, well planned location, etc.
 
personified said:
Strain info as far as medicine goes is easy to find. Here is my site with exactly that info (no I do not have every strain but quite a few) http://www.medicaljurisdiction.com/medical-marijuana/mmj-cures/thc-cbd-cbn.htm

Have I grown all of those? No. However, I have grown or am currently growing the major strain variations such as kush, berry, cheese, og, ww, SLH and SSH as well as other GHS new varieties, Pinapples. While I will agree each has its own needs I believe I can tell you how most strains are going to act by the phenotype during growth and the cannabinoids interaction with CB receptors as medicine.
http://www.medicaljurisdiction.com/medical-marijuana/mmj-cures/cbd-cbn-thc.php

Now I think the biggest part to remeber is that a grower may have input as to what to grow but not the final decsision. I as someone who is hiring is not letting you make that decision it would not be in my business plan.

To start this and not be a grower would be foolish. What happens if your grower dies? You better know how to step in and take over or lose a lot of money.

If your not a grower doing the interview your all ready doomed many ways.
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Please don't take this the wrong way, as you seem very knowledgable, but if you need advise on any of the strains you just mentioned I have grown most of them if not all. Kushberry, SFV OG, blueberry, cheese, white widow, and super silver haze I have grown out. Kushberry, sfv OG and a strain my buddy made (Kushberry x blue dream) are the only ones we still have.
 
I agree obviously if you can show me pics that is a big plus. However understand I am the guy in charge if you can get through my interview then we will talk as you work under me. When you prove yourself then I let you free. You may knock my socks off however until you prove it during a grow I will make sure it goes smoothly with or with out you.
 
irieie said:
Hey bird are you also growing out some of those new ghs varieties. Lol
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I refuse to grow anything from Europe anymore. They have a complete different definition of "dank" then I do. Lol the only strain I still have in my garden that I feel is worthy, coming from Europe, is my POG. Other then that I would not waste my time on some GHS strains anymore IMO.
 
I did the variety wheels I wont do them again from now on I will go after specific strains. A couple did not pop and I am disappointed in GHS in some ways.
 
personified said:
I agree obviously if you can show me pics that is a big plus. However understand I am the guy in charge if you can get through my interview then we will talk as you work under me. When you prove yourself then I let you free. You may knock my socks off however until you prove it during a grow I will make sure it goes smoothly with or with out you.
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Sadly man I would never grow for a boss like you. You obviously have a different perspective on what you think is good and bad. I promise that when dispensaries open EVERYONE will know where my stuff is at :) just saying....
 
Bird Gymnastics said:
I would trust some kid that grows dank and has proof he grows it then to trust someone that can answer questions. It's not that hard to read or to listen to someone more knowledgeable then yourself. I know some mountain men that grow some super dank but couldnt tell you the difference between those two things you stated. All I am saying is the proof is in the pudding. Being book smart in a growing situation has to little to do with it. Experience, experience, experience!
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Real life in a nutshell, thank you Bird... One can absorb all the knowledge in the world but applying it is another story.

I doubt majority of the dispensary operators know jack about growing anyway, so most of these "tough" questions would not even arise.
 
Bird Gymnastics said:
I refuse to grow anything from Europe anymore. They have a complete different definition of "dank" then I do. Lol the only strain I still have in my garden that I feel is worthy, coming from Europe, is my POG. Other then that I would not waste my time on some GHS strains anymore IMO.
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That pot of gold is the shiznit! If you guys are into heavy yielders than POG is for you.. I'm drying two plants and they look like they are gonna yield me over 5 ounces each. Barneys farm and Green House genetics arent that great .
 
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