gun law reform... please!
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canndo
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Note what I said about aspirin vs marijuana, that because some people some times die of overdoses of a particular medicine does not necessarily imply that it is "less safe" than another. My not being a doctor sort of limits my ability to dictate which is the more "appropriate" use of one chemical or another.
canndo
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I don't think you get the point. When it is evident that a particular tactic won't work, do you simply give up? or do you perhaps employ a different tactic?
MellowFarmer
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am I mistaken or are you in favor of letting them take away our right to arm and defend ourselves on the belief that they will always have bigger and better weapons and a military police ?
MellowFarmer
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I really need you to reread that.
canndo
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I did as you asked, now if you are looking for some magical logical smoking gun I doubt you will find it.
canndo
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I often run into this sort of question. In that I point out the fact that no armed revolution is apt to suceed and that if our government really wanted to take our guns away they could do so without sending a single officer out onto the street, it is believed that I don't support the individual ownership of firearms.
This is commonly because of a particular mindset - one that i have been pointing out on this site for a month or so. Now I am talking over your shoulder so don't take any of this personally. conservatives cannot adjust their ideology and belief system to comport with reality and that is why they cannot see how I can be a gun advocate and still say the things I do about the futility of guns alone protecting your rights and more particularly your 2nd amendment rights.
You will never be able to protect your rights with your firearms.
so many actually believe that they need no other rights in order to protect their liberty to keep and bear. This is patently false.
MuyLocoNC
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You make the mistake of discounting the possibility that to many, it is worth defending those rights to the death. An individual could defend his 2nd amendment right until the point he no longer cares about that right, which is the point of his death. I seem to remember a saying based on that position. Pry it from my cold, dead fingers and all. I'm sure you know it.
canndo
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What you are saying makes little sense, if you cannot defend your rights with a weapon then you are wise to defend it in other ways. demanding that you be able to keep your weapon by using it in a situation whereby you will surely lose it anyway makes little sense. I think it best that we use the rights we have to protect the other ones. It is far easier to protect your 2nd with your first than your first with your ssecond. but it is romantic to imagine otherwise.
canndo
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They didn't defend their 2nd amendment rights by themselves against their own government. Big difference.
You miss the point alot. By your way of thinking we should all never try to do anything cause the govt will get us. fuk them.
come to my door ask for my guns and give me an ultimatium i will fuk you up.
canndo
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Seems I don't really. The point is that time is past. The point is that as I have been saying in other threads, if the government wants your guns, in all likelyhood you will surrender them voluntarily, withougt anything wut a whine.
Moses Mobetta
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First of all to achieve anything like what is being suggested the people need to be united and organized, which they are not.
Yes you do canndo you intentionally miss the point to suit what you want to say.
you got me fuked up with somebody else. you won't get my my guns and I knows lots folks that feel the same way.
Either your very young or very naive.
Moses Mobetta
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I understand how you feel, but I think we both know that situation usually ends badly.
No your right mate. But Having served in the Big Green Machine. I don't think those men would do anything to hurt there own people.
Now I know some would, but imo there is enough that won't to send the country into some sort of civil war and to the victory belongs the spoils, and maker of the rules.
canndo
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Hemlock, if there is any legal path to your weapons, they can be easily gotten, I don't confuse you with anyone else, but I have made this argument before. If there is any trace, I assure you that you will surrender your weapons and your friendd's weapons as well. The fact that I am neither young nor naive is what has me say what I do. I urge you to respect the power of your government where it intersects with your right to keep and bear. Unless you live in the woods somewhere without need for even the basics, you will surrender your weapons - this is not a John Wayne movie this is real modern life.
Moses Mobetta
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I was there too brother. I wish I could feel that way about them but these days some of these guys would shoot their own mother if ordered to.
canndo
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God how the gun toters long for this scenario, they thrive on even the exotic and adventurous and self righteous prospect of a CIVIL WAR! The reality of it is that we already have seen that militia and military will do as they are told by their officers, up to and including shooting you, especially if you are defending yourself with a weapon. Those who refuse will be quickly punished. Do yourself a favor and don't count on your brothers in the military.
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