odd cloning problem

[UncleBuck]

so two weeks ago, i had a batch of 16 rooted clones. i put them in a solo cup of roots organic soil like i always do and watered them in.

three days later, 14 of 16 were just dead. deader than fried chicken.

i thought that maybe it was because i had not cut the soil with enough perlite or watered too heavily, even though i had done that before with no problems.

so the latest batch of 24 clones were ready for soil a few days ago. this time, i cut the same soil more heavily with perlite and barely wetted the soil.

well, this time 6 of the 24 keeled over dead.

i've got the hard part down, which is getting the clones to root. after lots of trial and error, i am able to manage nearly 100% success with the clones a healthy green when they're ready for soil.

but the easy part is now confounding me. never had this happen before, and frankly i'm not sure why.

here is a pic of a clone that made it versus one that clearly didn't.

any advice, criticism, angry comments, or outright derision is welcomed.

 

[jondamon]

RH problem?

Cleanliness of propogation area?

Cleanliness of instruments?

Are you rooting in these cups? Or are you using rockwool?

If rockwool soil notoriously wicks the water out of RW before the roots can make their way out.



J

 

[UncleBuck]

RH problem?

Cleanliness of propogation area?

Cleanliness of instruments?

Are you rooting in these cups? Or are you using rockwool?

If rockwool soil notoriously wicks the water out of RW before the roots can make their way out.



J

i root them in little rooter plugs made out of some kind of tree bark or something. they root just fine in 12-14 days. nice healthy white roots bulging out when i put them in clean solo cups filled with roots organic soil.

they did worse last time when i soaked them than this time when i barely wetted them.

RH is about 40-50% and has never posed a problem. i may try putting them in a dome if i see them fall over like this next time, but i doubt it will help. i tried misting them this time around, they died anyway.

+rep for stopping by to help

 

[bird dog]

Are you putting your clones under domes? Did you peel back a small sliver of the bottom stem? What rooting gel or powder? Clones don't need much water, but they need the humidity. I just put two clones in my veg tent the other day and placed domes over each one. I make sure that I keep the inside of the dome wet to increase RH. The mother should have been watered a couple hours before. I use this method for hydro and dirt, but dirt is my mainstay. Looks and sounds like you did everything else right. Peace

 

[mr sunshine]

The dome idea shuld help pick them back up!

 

[UncleBuck]

Are you putting your clones under domes?

nope. they root in a tray under a 15 watt light. i used to use a dome, but i've had better success without one.

Did you peel back a small sliver of the bottom stem?

when taking clones, i cut a candidate off the mother plant. then i dip the end into water and cut a tip off underwater. then i split the stem just a bit to expose the cambium. then i soak the stem, dip into rooting powder, put it in the cube, and away they go. i have about 100% success within 12-14 days.

that's not really the problem. the problem comes when the rooted clone goes into soil.

What rooting gel or powder?

i use whatever rooting powder home depot has for $5.

Clones don't need much water, but they need the humidity. I just put two clones in my veg tent the other day and placed domes over each one. I make sure that I keep the inside of the dome wet to increase RH. The mother should have been watered a couple hours before. I use this method for hydro and dirt, but dirt is my mainstay. Looks and sounds like you did everything else right. Peace

i guess i'll try putting them under a dome next time i transfer some rooted clones to soil. it's the only thing i can think of.

they've never needed a dome before, and most of them do just fine without one now.

 

[UncleBuck]

The dome idea shuld help pick them back up!

nothing is gonna save the dead ones now, sorry.

 

[UncleBuck]

here are some pics of where they root before going into soil. the batch i started a week ago already has a few roots here and there.

the problem is not rooting them, it's that they fall over and die once i transplant them into their new soil homes.

 

[Mad Hamish]

Well UB, there's like fuckall wrong with your clones, otherwise they wouldn't make it to transplant at all. But it's damn weird, I clone using your exact same method, cheap-ass rooting powder etc, and literally just drop them into soil or coco mix... Never failed before. Shit man only thing I'd try different if I were you was to not water them in perhaps. Strewth. Hope it never happens to me. That sucks dogballs.

 

[UncleBuck]

Well UB, there's like fuckall wrong with your clones, otherwise they wouldn't make it to transplant at all. But it's damn weird, I clone using your exact same method, cheap-ass rooting powder etc, and literally just drop them into soil or coco mix... Never failed before. Shit man only thing I'd try different if I were you was to not water them in perhaps. Strewth. Hope it never happens to me. That sucks dogballs.

it's odd, isn't it?



i mean, it took me literally two and a half years to get to consistent 95% rooting, and now that i have, they start to die when they hit the soil.

fucking clonong. so fucking fickle.

 

[PaxEtBonum]

It's your negative energy that's killing them. You clearly have some growing experiences to share, but the vast majority of your posts that I have read--and you have a lot of them--are mean spirited and condescending. Only a total noob or a badspirited person loses 14 out of 16 clones. Are you a noob? Didn't think so. Check your energy level and what you're putting out into the world. No amount of perlite will overcome a wretched energy field. Or you can blame it on the strain, baby.

 

[UncleBuck]

It's your negative energy that's killing them. You clearly have some growing experiences to share, but the vast majority of your posts that I have read--and you have a lot of them--are mean spirited and condescending. Only a total noob or a badspirited person loses 14 out of 16 clones. Are you a noob? Didn't think so. Check your energy level and what you're putting out into the world. No amount of perlite will overcome a wretched energy field. Or you can blame it on the strain, baby.

should i hang a dreamcatcher over them?

rearrange the room to optimize feng shui?

should i seek a healer to realign my chi?

LOL!

thanks for stopping by.

 

[blacksun]

the problem is not rooting them, it's that they fall over and die once i transplant them into their new soil homes.

I think you narrowed it down right there B. It's seems like it's the soil or possibly what you feed them right after you transplant.

I don't think it would be the humidity, as you don't have them under a dome from the beginning...but you never know...it costs almost nothing to try using a ziplock back over the plants and cups on the ones that do start drooping.

 

[ShopWhor3]

It's your negative energy that's killing them. You clearly have some growing experiences to share, but the vast majority of your posts that I have read--and you have a lot of them--are mean spirited and condescending. Only a total noob or a badspirited person loses 14 out of 16 clones. Are you a noob? Didn't think so. Check your energy level and what you're putting out into the world. No amount of perlite will overcome a wretched energy field. Or you can blame it on the strain, baby.

best thing ive read all day! trollolol. people these days I swear..

buck have you tried a diff soil yet?. hell you've got the hard part done. don't know what else it could be other than soil

 

[Nutes and Nugs]

it's odd, isn't it?



i mean, it took me literally two and a half years to get to consistent 95% rooting, and now that i have, they start to die when they hit the soil.

fucking clonong. so fucking fickle.

I think you're getting sloppy (like myself) when it comes to cloning.
Make sure everything is clean and fuch humidity domes.

Some of my best cloned plants started in plain moist soil.
No Ho mones.

 

[UncleBuck]

best thing ive read all day! trollolol. people these days I swear..

buck have you tried a diff soil yet?. hell you've got the hard part done. don't know what else it could be other than soil

i was considering a seed starting soil, like happy frog. but the greenlite i just used is cut with lots of perlite already, and i cut it 20% more. i've always just gone straight into a hotter roots mix with less perlite, no problems.

but it won't hurt to try it on this next batch.

I think you're getting sloppy (like myself) when it comes to cloning.
Make sure everything is clean and fuch humidity domes.

Some of my best cloned plants started in plain moist soil.
No Ho mones.

like you, i just clean out the old containers with hot water and soap, but i will try this next batch with brand new cups to be sure.

 

[Nutes and Nugs]

The home store perlite is cut with MG for some time. (feeds for 6 months)
I wonder if it's too much nutes in the starter soil.

Some clones are identical, one lives one dies.
WTF?

 

[UncleBuck]

The home store perlite is cut with MG for some time. (feeds for 6 months)
I wonder if it's too much nutes in the starter soil.

Some clones are identical, one lives one dies.
WTF?

this did seem confined to just my star trek, but now it is completely random.

home depot's perlite contains 1-1-1 or something like that, so nothing worth writing home about. and i've used it for years with no problem. i don't think it's the MG perlite.

 

[shawnybizzle]

You must of fucked your soil or something or dirty containers go coco man coco all the way

And I know everyone's different but the only bad crop I've had is when I used perlite but u day u use it all the time so god knows try a few without the perlite

 

[UncleBuck]

You must of fucked your soil or something or dirty containers go coco man coco all the way

And I know everyone's different but the only bad crop I've had is when I used perlite but u day u use it all the time so god knows try a few without the perlite

i will be running the next batch in new, store bought containers.