BeaverHuntr
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I still remember mom always dropping us off at the water and ice store to fill up 1 gallon jugs.. Thats why you see so many water and ice stores here in AZ the water flat out sucks.
A REAL commitment to change the 25-mile rule
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BeaverHuntr
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what the fuck are you talking about lol?
HB DC
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Usually depends on where you live!! Every well is different!
In central PHX I will getting 600+ppm & in North PHX I am getting less than 200PPM!! Location. Location!
It is a shame because I have been using tap for quite some time!! Right up until 2 weeks before harvest!!
Just like in a Rez if the water sits it builds up in the lines!! Same is true with the city water!! If your PPM is that high I would call the city and let them know!! They will come out and flush the closest fire hydrant in hopes of clearing out some build up!! I had a 700PPm last year, called the city up they tested water and flushed it! 2 days later the ppm was less than 300ppm... Thats was in Central PHX..
YThor
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This is very complex; up until 2001, Tucson got all of its water from ~200 wells. Around 2001, they added in CAP water (canal water), which served a couple of purposes. The first thing is that it allowed them to shut down some wells that were already drawing down too much- after all, recharge isn't very much here in the desert, as it doesn't rain. The second thing (I think- I'm not sure) is that they were able to shut down some wells that had too much arsenic in them. The feds lowered the allowable limit of arsenic from (I think it was) 50 parts per billion (ppb) to 10 ppb.
Now, here in the Valley, we have some wells that have too much arsenic, too; some wells have treatment systems to reduce the amount of arsenic coming out to below the federal limit of 10 ppb, and others blend water from different wells so the net concentration of arsenic satisfies the federal limit.
Anyway- Phoenix gets its water from wells, CAP canals, and SRP (Salt River). There's also "reclaimed" water, but you're not going to find that coming out of your tap. Tucson probably gets reclaimed water, too, for agriculture and irrigation. Less than 1% of your water bill goes towards water for direct consumption (drinking/cooking), but all the water plumbed into your home has to meet federal guidelines for consumption- including showering (which is good, because arsenic is also absorbed through the skin, and there are data to suggest a lifetime of showering in water at the old standard of up to 50 ppb arsenic may be bad for you; whether 10 ppb is "good enough" is under debate).
Now, anyone who gives you a flat figure like 450 ppm TDS or 600 ppm TDS- I'd have to ask how they came about that figure. If the Salt River is flowing well (like it is now, after the recent monsoon) and the water coming out of your tap is largely from SRP, then the TDS is bound to be quite low; middle of the summer or winter, during drought, and it's from wells- then it's going to be pretty high. This is also going to vary between cities in Phoenix Metro, as each has their own wells.
TDS can change based on seasons- and probably even day-to-day, depending upon which supplies are running best, and what laws have to be followed (water rights based on how much each state is allowed to drain out of the Colorado and into the CAP canals), and recharge (when it's cheapest/best to run water from the Salt or CAP into the ground, like the Granite Reef.
With all this in mind, the best way to go is reverse osmosis; it will produce enough water to meet the needs of your plants while maintaining a consistent product- important for when you're going to harvest a valuable crop. However, one must bear in mind that you're stripping all the nutrients out of your water when you do this; locally, tap water has plenty of calcium and magnesium- which growers pay extra for in the form of CalMag and similar nutrients. However, other ions (chloride, sulfate, etc.) are abundant, and of less importance to plants, and may negatively affect growth. It is also very important to note that once you strip out the solutes, your buffering capacity is shot: you will get radical pH swings as there's no buffering capacity. Some growers may find it beneficial to add back in 10% tap water- for calcium, for magnesium, for improved buffering. At those levels, you would still have some amount of dissolved solids, and most people who had ~50-100 ppm TDS for supply water would be very happy at those levels.
Also note that RO discharges a lot of water as waste; it is a wasteful process. There are "zero waste" RO systems (the reject water is returned to plumbing so it can go down the toilet or the shower or whatever) which will reduce the amount of water that goes to waste.
HB DC
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Could not agree more!!
Lucius Vorenus
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Or setup your Dehumidifier and AC's to drain into a resevoir like I do. Then you have really clean water that just needs to be Ph'd or nutes added.
I also use an RO when that water isn't enough for feeding.
I also use an RO when that water isn't enough for feeding.
BeaverHuntr
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nice trick
hiluxphantom
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WTF HOW IS THIS THREAD ABOUT PPMs now and if u dont want 25mile rule then just figure out ho to get dispensaries closed down or whatever
KT420
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Thanks for the water info!
As far as dispensaries getting closed down, if that were to happen, would ADHS officially acknowledge this and start issuing authorized-to-cultivate cards again or would they say something to the effect of, "NO. There is a dispensary registered to such and such an address and cultivating within 25 miles of a CLOSED dispensary is STILL cultivating within 25 miles of a dispensary. Application denied."
As far as dispensaries getting closed down, if that were to happen, would ADHS officially acknowledge this and start issuing authorized-to-cultivate cards again or would they say something to the effect of, "NO. There is a dispensary registered to such and such an address and cultivating within 25 miles of a CLOSED dispensary is STILL cultivating within 25 miles of a dispensary. Application denied."
AvonBarksdale
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As far as I'm concerned, our cards don't mean shit anymore.
I just looked at the back of mine and compared it to last years. The new one says that this card does not provide legal protection. Wtf?
I just looked at the back of mine and compared it to last years. The new one says that this card does not provide legal protection. Wtf?
hiluxphantom
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lol i just got my card on 7-14 so im authourized for another year luckily and mine loks exactly like last years though
hiluxphantom
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DAMN ITY DOES SAY THAT WTF... hopefully its for those counties that have made it illegal again...MAN thats bullshit finally legal now they are saying here have this card but if we catch u smoking it doesnt mean shit
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Wolfhound
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Doesn't matter what politics are on the card - They will have to use the law, not the politics if you ever do have a problem. It would be nice to organize a "call in" to POISON CONTROL to ask as much as we can about mmj. I bet they have no ideas about pot since it IS NOT a poison !
As adults we all know better & the little shots we are taking now will disapear just as they have in other states....Most programs took a while to get rolling good.
The only real answer is full legalization which may never happen.
As adults we all know better & the little shots we are taking now will disapear just as they have in other states....Most programs took a while to get rolling good.
The only real answer is full legalization which may never happen.
1337hacker
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Haha love the approach and yes, you are right, they still have to use the law to prosecute you. Carrying the card doesn't make it right for you to do stupid illegal things against prop 203, is what I got out of reading the new wording.
hiluxphantom
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oh so its more directed at cases like where that one guy had 2 pounds and 15k on him and said his car smelt that bad from the gram he had in the glove box ?
1337hacker
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Pretty much exactly
hiluxphantom
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Thats what it sounds like to me. Maybe they just added that for the possible downfall of the law after this election season incase they repeal it or some bs. So then u cant use ur card to get out of trouble. make it easier for them to disable it I don't know maybe it means nothing
Or its just a way for the state to cover their ass which is what i bet cuz the only thing they've ever worried about is whether or not they can get in trouble for the dispensaries more i think of it makes more sense. Maybe they put that their as a "heres ur bag dont let the door kick u on the way out" . I'm not too sure but as far as i can tell this isnt for the citizens at all maybe itds the seed of a plant that will destroy our dreams, right?
Or its just a way for the state to cover their ass which is what i bet cuz the only thing they've ever worried about is whether or not they can get in trouble for the dispensaries more i think of it makes more sense. Maybe they put that their as a "heres ur bag dont let the door kick u on the way out" . I'm not too sure but as far as i can tell this isnt for the citizens at all maybe itds the seed of a plant that will destroy our dreams, right?
HB DC
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Your 1st mistake was thinking the State government might be covering their ass!! They have, did & always will!! The Governor has a legal team; which includes the CA... Better to have him/her on your team than to oppose!