Advanced Nutrients Bloom Nutrients, Advice Needed Please

Mother's Finest

Mother's Finest

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Will it work? If you mean will it give the plants the NPK ratio shown on the bottle, then probably yes. If you mean will it supply everything your plants need, then probably no.
 
Ryan0092

Ryan0092

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Mother's Finest said:
Will it work? If you mean will it give the plants the NPK ratio shown on the bottle, then probably yes. If you mean will it supply everything your plants need, then probably no.
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Do you know what the best npk ratio is for flowering plants?
This is only my second grow so I don't really have a clue to be honest.
 
Mother's Finest

Mother's Finest

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It depends on the type of plant. There are leafy indicas that need alot of N and there are sativas that don't. Something close to 3-5-6 is usually a good place to start.
 
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Coals

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If your on a budget pick up a jug of Dyna-gro. Its more stable than any AN product, arguably more complete as far as nutrition than nearly any base fertilizer on the market and no gimmicks. Did I mention it was super cheap? oh and its super concentrated which makes it even cheaper.
 
Sensibowl

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Ryan0092 said:
So I'm growing 7 plants which are all ready to go into flowering, I brought advanced nutrients bloom without realising it's a 3 part fertilizer, which is a dilemma as don't have the money to buy the other 2 formulas, will it work on its own?

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First of all, ignore the shill about Dynagrow. That's not what you're asking.

What I would say is that you should use the three-part system, but at this point, you can't do too much about it.

Since your plants look okay, I think you're alright. But in the future, I would suggest you use everything together since that's the way companies test their products to determine if they work well for growing.

Though I've certanly made my own mistakes with growing, that's part of the fun. You learn with each grow.

Good luck wiht the next one. And if you're trying to save money, just use less of the AN regimen. I've found you still get good results when you use only 75% of what they say on the packaging to use.
 
Ryan0092

Ryan0092

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Thanks for all the advice, think i'm just gonna stick with the bloom for the rest of this grow, for anyone who's interested i'm growing power africa, northern soul & 5 barneys farm autoflowering little cheese
 
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Coals

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Sensibowl said:
First of all, ignore the shill about Dynagrow..
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Ha! I fucking wish I worked for Dyna-Gro. I simply told him what I would do. I have lots of AN stuff on my shelf. It sits there because I hate throwing brand new stuff in the garbage. One day i will have to suck it up and chuck it out because at the end of the day, garbage goes in the garbage.
 
dizzlekush

dizzlekush

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Colas. if you talk the talk, walk the walk. and just for curiosity what products from Advanced Nutrients do you consider "garbage"
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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Coals said:
It sits there because I hate throwing brand new stuff in the garbage. One day i will have to suck it up and chuck it out because at the end of the day, garbage goes in the garbage.
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Just use it in your veggie garden or in your yard. I have 3 lifetimes worth of botanicare and GH nutrients that will never be used indoors again because it was replaced by DG. Now these older bottles are just really expensive lawn fertilizer :oops:.
 
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Coals

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dizzlekush said:
Colas. if you talk the talk, walk the walk. and just for curiosity what products from Advanced Nutrients do you consider "garbage"
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All of them. Why? Well because they are all seperate parts of a super duper, ultra yield, ionic mega budzzz system that has been designed to keep your plants alive while draining your wallet of the maximum amount possible. They are all incomplete products that require one another to work as a system.

For example, I struggled with sensi a and b for a long time. As I began to purchase their additives things got better. By the end of it I was cooking a complicated nutrient soup, spending hundreds of dollars needlessly and getting ok results. It was complicated, constantly measuring, second guessing, having to record everyhting with regards to what I added, when I added it and how much I added. Add to that the PH fluctuation was steady and continuous.

This is ofcourse all by design. Their base line ups are all expensive. Not just dollar per gallon but also concentration. Their formulas are very watered down because water is cheap and requires you to use more of their formula, which ofcourse means more trips to the hydro store.

Ask yourself, how on earth did cannabis survive for thousands of years befor Advanced Nutrients (and mankind for that matter) existed? There wasnt anyone around to mix up formulations of Sensi AB, Big BUd, BUd Candy, Voodo, Pirahana, Turantula, Sensizyme, Amio Acids, Overdrive, Bud Blood, Rhino Skin, Bud Factor X on and on and fucking on.

The best part is, AN is so vague with how to use their products. No where on a bottle of there beneficials does it talk about the fact that tap water will render all of there bacteria products useless. Nor does it explain the difference between chlorine and chloramines with regards to distillation. The result is hobbyist growers (all of us) just pouring money down the drain.

Also, it becomes difficult to diagnose problems when you have a hundred different additives, where do you start?

All of these problems and issues vanished when I started using a cheap, nutritionally complete, highly stable, professional nutrient. My product of choice is Dyna Gro, but thhere are others
 
dizzlekush

dizzlekush

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Coals said:
Ask yourself, how on earth did cannabis survive for thousands of years befor Advanced Nutrients (and mankind for that matter) existed? There wasnt anyone around to mix up formulations of Sensi AB, Big BUd, BUd Candy, Voodo, Pirahana, Turantula, Overdrive, Bud Blood, Rhino Skin, Bud Factor X on and on and fucking on.
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ask yourself if the cannabis that survived for thousands of years before modern day nutrients had more then 3% THC. what about 8%? 15%? 20+%? Listen i will be the first to state that Advanced Nutrients has many overpriced products that i would never suggest anyone to buy. but to call all of their products garbage simply because thy have a complex system that you failed to make work for you only shows that you still got sour grapes sir. Their Sensi line has tons of chelated macro nutrients, humic acid, fulvic acid, tons of L form amino acids, and a surfactant. Your Dyna-Gro products don't have any of that. i bought 23l of Sensi for $115. that's $5 a Liter. how much less did your Dyna-Gro cost? ok Dyna Gro has the best Potassium Silicate product, K-L-N is bomb, and i love their neem oil, but all of their base nutrients use way too much phosphorus, they don't have any good bacteria or endomycorryizae or even a decent humic/fulvic acid product. Advanced Nutrients isn't the perfect company, but to call them garbage and then start repping Dyna-Gro? just shows that you don't actually know what is in the bottles you give your plants and what truly benefits your plants. there's plenty of products that are not worth buying from them, but the simple fact is they have some of the best products out there mixed in with a bunch of overpriced products that you can do better with from other companies. its up to the grower to find the diamonds in the rough, not to blindly buy all the products from one specific company and swear by them. i'm sure your saving alot of money and getting decent results off of Dyna-Gro. im also sure you could be having way better results.
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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dizzlekush said:
Their Sensi line has tons of chelated macro nutrients...
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Nope. AN has zero chelated macro nutrients. They're not chelated because they don't need to be. Maybe you meant 'micro' nutes in which case they have 2 that are chelated. DG has four. So what was your point again? Oh yeah, amino acids and your plants already make those :lol:.

but all of their base nutrients use way too much phosphorus
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And this is coming from who again?

they don't have any good bacteria or endomycorryizae or even a decent humic/fulvic acid product.
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Not even needed.
Advanced Nutrients isn't the perfect company, but to call them garbage and then start repping Dyna-Gro? just shows that you don't actually know what is in the bottles you give your plants and what truly benefits your plants.
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Maybe you should have done your homework before you started to compare overpriced snake oil to a professional grade fertilizer AND reserched what truly benefits your plants. Speaking of which, where are yours?

there's plenty of products that are not worth buying from them, but the simple fact is they have some of the best products out there mixed in with a bunch of overpriced products that you can do better with from other companies. its up to the grower to find the diamonds in the rough, not to blindly buy all the products from one specific company and swear by them. i'm sure your saving alot of money and getting decent results off of Dyna-Gro. im also sure you could be having way better results.
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Canna-specific nutrients are for beginners and people who don't know any better and it doesn't bother experienced growers which one you are, but next time you decide to rant a little about your preferred fertilizer, do some research.
 
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Coals

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simply because thy have a complex system that you failed to make work for you only shows that you still got sour grapes sir.

You hit the nail on the head my friend. You are abseloutly right I couldnt make a complex nutrient system work to grow one of the easiest plants to grow in the world. A system supposedly "designed" for a specific plant.

99.9999percent of MJ growers are hobbyists. We do not have fancy horticultural diplomas or formal training. Yet most of us manage to grow beautiful indoor and outdoor veggie, fruit and regular houseplant gardens by utilizing a lot of neglect, cheap fertilizer and plain old tap water. Yet I and many others struggle to grow a weed with super space nutes.

I switched to DG and noticed a difference right away. My plants didnt shoot 5 pound buds through my ceiling. They did grow vigorously and stayed healthy with far less work, and money.

Being that I am a hobbyist, I have a fulltime job and a family and friends and a life to tend to. I have no time to tend to a garden. Every second I spend in it costs me opportunity, and I am sure the vast majority of people on this BB are in a similar situation.

On a side note, this is the same theory commercial greenhouses operate on. They dont have the time or capital to mix nutrient soups of a million different additives and screw around with beneficials. They need fast growing, low maintenance plants, thats it. Which is why they use tons of chlorine, simple, concentrated complete nutrients (most of which they ratio themselves) and concentrate mostly on the growing environment rather than the nutrients.

If amino acids and fulvic acid and 3 different strains of bacteria and enzymes and million things made a significant difference every greenhouse on the planet would be utilizing these products and you would be able to buy them at Home Depot.
 
Beansly

Beansly

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Coals said:

On a side note, this is the same theory commercial greenhouses operate on. They dont have the time or capital to mix nutrient soups of a million different additives and screw around with beneficials. They need fast growing, low maintenance plants, thats it. Which is why they use tons of chlorine, simple, concentrated complete nutrients (most of which they ratio themselves) and concentrate mostly on the growing environment rather than the nutrients.

If amino acids and fulvic acid and 3 different strains of bacteria and enzymes and million things made a significant difference every greenhouse on the planet would be utilizing these products and you would be able to buy them at Home Depot.
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You don't know what your talking about.
 
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Coals

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dizzlekush said:
there's plenty of products that are not worth buying from them.
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yeah no kidding. So how do I tell which ones are worth it? Call them? I bet they wont tell me the most expensive bottles are the ones.

Or should I buy every single product and spend the next 10 years doing detailed analysis on the exact affect of each additive used alone and in conjunction with other additives?

Or maybe I just shouldnt buy anything from a company that knowingly makes and markets low quality, crummy products by dressing and pricing them up regardless of wether a couple of their products are good? (which products would those be btw?)
 
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