Advanced Nutrients Bloom Nutrients, Advice Needed Please

homebrewer said:

Canna-specific nutrients are for beginners and people who don't know any better and it doesn't bother experienced growers which one you are, but next time you decide to rant a little about your preferred fertilizer, do some research.

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ya, its totally stupid to buy from the only company that legally grows marijuana grows Marijuana, continuously does tissue samples on GROWING MARIJUANA to further understand the specifics on growing better plants, continuously changes their products to improve their line to improve the outcome product, the only company to have personally backed up the Medicinal Marijuana movement. i should be more like you and buy form a company that uses science decades old that are not intended for crops that YOU IGNITE AND BREATHE THE SMOKE INTO YOUR LUNGS! you should really look up how bad it is to smoke phosphorus before you start giving me shit for using nutrients with considerably less phosphorus than any other not organic nutrient line.

can you really only count 2 chelations in there? Thats just Sensi Grow Part A, no Part B, no connoisseur line where everything is chelated.

i wanna see Dyna Gro's 4 chelated nutrients.

Do you really think Fulvic Acid, Benificial Bactria, and Endomycorrizae wont DRAMATICALLY increase your growth, potency, and yield?

To use the argument that your plant creates something so theres no need to provide it is stupid. so you think amino acids are worthless? what about thiamine? riboflavin? folic acid? auxins? cytokinins? ascorbic acid? simple carbohydrates? all of these the plant makes and are proven to improve growth, as well as multiple L form Amino Acids. do the plants need it? no, will they grow faster if given it? yes. its called ACCELERATED growth.

i don't buy snake oils. i look up what is truly beneficial for my plants and i give them it instead of convincing myself that everything that i haven't bought is a snake oil. i do not buy blindly from nutrient companies.

now please homebrewer, don't get butthurt at me showing you fallacies in your logic. just trying to help you. hope you end up researching further to try to prove me wrong. will just show you how right i am.

"Truth does not fear investigation. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!" -Alien Scientist.

dizzlekush said:

ya, its totally stupid to buy from the only company that legally grows marijuana grows Marijuana, continuously does tissue samples on GROWING MARIJUANA to further understand the specifics on growing better plants, continuously changes their products to improve their line to improve the outcome product, the only company to have personally backed up the Medicinal Marijuana movement. i should be more like you and buy form a company that uses science decades old that are not intended for crops that YOU IGNITE AND BREATHE THE SMOKE INTO YOUR LUNGS! you should really look up how bad it is to smoke phosphorus before you start giving me shit for using nutrients with considerably less phosphorus than any other not organic nutrient line.

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I would encourage you to educate yourself on plant nutrition from sources other than the websites of the companies that are trying to sell you their products. You're going to develop bad habits that will not only hurt your yields, but will hurt your quality too.

don't guess where i get my information. i don't buy into any bullshit people feed me. i verify everything to redundancy. guaranteed i know more than you if you think endomycorrhizae and fulvic acid are snake oils. that's pathetic "plant nutrition". and way to sidestep all the facts i just threw in your face proving your previous statements wrong.

dizzlekush said:

Thats just Sensi Grow Part A, no Part B, no connoisseur line where everything is chelated.

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You were talking about the sensi line found here: http://advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/products/sensi_bloom/sensi_bloom_faq_nutrient_facts.php#nutrientGA

I counted two because that's all that were listed under the guaranteed analysis. Do you know why those other minerals listed in the 'Derived from' aren't listed in the guaranteed analysis? Because AN didn't meet the minimum requirement and therefore cannot list them. DG meets that requirement and look how trace those amounts are. Why can AN do that?

i wanna see Dyna Gro's 4 chelated nutrients.

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Ok...

Do you really think Fulvic Acid, Benificial Bactria, and Endomycorrizae wont DRAMATICALLY increase your growth, potency, and yield?

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I know for a FACT that they wont increase growth, potency, and yield and I have journals documenting that. Beneficials OTOH may have situational advantages but not if you're using mineral-based nutrients.

To use the argument that your plant creates something so theres no need to provide it is stupid. so you think amino acids are worthless? what about thiamine? riboflavin? folic acid? auxins? cytokinins? ascorbic acid? simple carbohydrates? all of these the plant makes and are proven to improve growth, as well as multiple L form Amino Acids. do the plants need it? no, will they grow faster if given it? yes. its called ACCELERATED growth.

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You're focusing your energy on the wrong area of essential plant nutrition. From a 'cash crop' perspective, none of the items listed above justifies their price.

i don't buy snake oils. i look up what is truly beneficial for my plants and i give them it instead of convincing myself that everything that i haven't bought is a snake oil. i do not buy blindly from nutrient companies.

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Please cite your sources of information, maybe you can teach us something.

now please homebrewer, don't get butthurt at me showing you fallacies in your logic. just trying to help you. hope you end up researching further to try to prove me wrong. will just show you how right i am.

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Butthurt? I spent less than 50 cents in nutes growing 2.3 ounces here using grow and bloom only (one of nine plants, 600 hps):



Again, less than 50 cents using grow and bloom only:




I spent less than $12 on nutrients for this 21.3 ounce grow (600 hps):







Let me be clear about something; I don't care what nutrients you use but you should think about why the most talented growers around aren't using canna-specific products and all have a 'simplify' attitude. Oh, and be a gem and post some pics of your plants, I would LOVE to see this dramatic difference in yield and quality you're getting .

ahh... this really isnt worth it. on grasscity.com on my other dizzlekush profile ive already explained why Great White is not a product worth buying and is the most pathetic form of "beneficials" you can buy. so yes that product wont help. any botanist or biologist will tell you that fulvic (or humic, whatever) acid will accelerate all stages of plant growth. from a cash crop perspective its not worth the price? buddy all that stuff you can find in Botanicare's Liquid Karma. shits $40 a gallon. you really that broke? AN splits their chelation up among different types of chelate. obviously when you use 4 types of iron chelate you use less of each type, so ya it might not show up on the label. but they cant even put fulvic acid on labels due to California and Oregon laws. im not going to go refind all my info just to give you a biology lesson. you dont want to believe the information i give you, dont. keep growing at your level. i dont have a camera to show you my op. i use 6 600w Adjust a wings and i pull 8lbs of bud that the clubs will accept plus little buds i cant sell plus ounces of bubble hash off the trim. if you really pull a gram a watt off of just Dyna Gro grow and bloom, my hats off to you. every grower i know thinks dyna gro is crap because everyone i know that used it had to flush for over 2 weeks for their buds to not light up like the 4th of july. same with anyone who used Kool Bloom. but i guess your doing something their not. never gonna give dyna-gro a chance myself. i get my AN for literally $115 for 23l, thats over 6 gals. THATS $5 A LITER. 5 gals of dyna gro is over 2 times the price, so im actually paying less than you but whatever, keep thinking Dyna-gro is cheaper.

dizzlekush said:

ahh... this really isnt worth it. on grasscity.com on my other dizzlekush profile ive already explained why Great White is not a product worth buying and is the most pathetic form of "beneficials" you can buy. so yes that product wont help. any botanist or biologist will tell you that fulvic (or humic, whatever) acid will accelerate all stages of plant growth. from a cash crop perspective its not worth the price? buddy all that stuff you can find in Botanicare's Liquid Karma. shits $40 a gallon. you really that broke? AN splits their chelation up among different types of chelate. obviously when you use 4 types of iron chelate you use less of each type, so ya it might not show up on the label. but they cant even put fulvic acid on labels due to California and Oregon laws. im not going to go refind all my info just to give you a biology lesson. you dont want to believe the information i give you, dont. keep growing at your level. i dont have a camera to show you my op. i use 6 600w Adjust a wings and i pull 8lbs of bud that the clubs will accept plus little buds i cant sell plus ounces of bubble hash off the trim. if you really pull a gram a watt off of just Dyna Gro grow and bloom, my hats off to you. every grower i know thinks dyna gro is crap because everyone i know that used it had to flush for over 2 weeks for their buds to not light up like the 4th of july. same with anyone who used Kool Bloom. but i guess your doing something their not. never gonna give dyna-gro a chance myself. i get my AN for literally $115 for 23l, thats over 6 gals. THATS $5 A LITER. 5 gals of dyna gro is over 2 times the price, so im actually paying less than you but whatever, keep thinking Dyna-gro is cheaper.

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Maybe my monitor is broken but I'm not seeing any pics. Can anyone else confirm the lack of pics?

nope you're right. no pics. no camera. don't care. anyone who thinks fulvic acid and endomycorrhizae are snake oils doesn't believe in scientific reasoning. keep repping Dyna-Gro, keep believing in creationism, keep thinking Bin Laden did 9/11. not interested in arguing with someone who doesn't listen to facts.

dizzlekush said:

nope you're right. no pics. no camera. don't care. anyone who thinks fulvic acid and endomycorrhizae are snake oils doesn't believe in scientific reasoning. keep repping Dyna-Gro, keep believing in creationism, keep thinking Bin Laden did 9/11. not interested in arguing with someone who doesn't listen to facts.

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Oh look, one more post for you and you'll have 15 posts at both RIU and Grasscity. You'll also have the same number of pictures posted at both places and you'll probably continue droning on about AN with zero proof to back up anything you say. I think I know why with this post of yours 3 days ago:

http://forum.grasscity.com/coco-coir/770836-1000watts-advanced-nutrients-mostly-16-plants-6x6x7-grow-tent.html#post10307484

Looking forward to this as well. first time grower. did months of research before i committed to anything. i wasn't bias towards any nutrient company, but after doing some research and finding that Advanced Nutrients is the only company to grow the plants that i grow, and do tissue sample studies and continuously change their product to continuously improve results. now i'm not a scientist, but science interests me and i understand it easily. to be 100% honest, there's plenty of AN products that are simply a waste of money, but some products they have seem to be made simply better than the competitions, such as
Sensi Grow A & B, Sensi Bloom A & B
Connoisseur A & B (overpriced)
B 52
Big Bud (only go powder)
Overdrive
Grow, Micro, Bloom
Final Phase (if you believe in unnatural flushing agents as opposed to lots of water and/or fulvic acid and a good enzyme complex)
Bud Candy(if you're insistent on spending money on a sweetener other than molasses)
Iguana juice Grow & Bloom
Sensizyme
The only products i cannot pass an actual informed opinion on are Kushie Kush, Bud Ignitor, And Bud Factor X, because there's no actual info on them other than commercial hype.

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It's not that you don't have a camera, it's that you don't have a grow.

Hey dizzlekush i got your back AN kicks ass for me! Theres alot of haters on this forum about AN! Dont even feed into
Dude just not worth it. We know it works and proving anything with pics and shit fuck it! I myself feel a product made
For weed is the way to go. Ive used 5 other brands with nothing close to the bang i get with my so called snake oil.
There are good growers and bad growers and if you cant get good results from AN there i say go back to school cus
Its just to easy!

see there you go not following facts and guessing. wasn't interested into gowing into my growing history but since you brought it up.... this is my first SOLO grow ive been through 2 different partnerships on growing. first was a tiny closet op with a 400 somethin watt T5 setup for veg and a 600W hps for bloom. i knew nothing, my partner talked like he knew everything. ran Humboldt Nutrients Master line, bought almost everything on the list. got spider mites. my partner suggested just running water over the plant every day..... i listened to him. this was about 6 weeks into flower. needless to say 80% of our bud rotted and i wouldn't really call it a grow. it was Green Crack and it was fucking ridiculously potent. tasted like shit cuz we chopped it down with nutes still in cuz they were just rotting away. horrible excuse for a grow. next was the 6 600w grow that i joined in with someone cuz their partner bailed on them with a bunch of the shit. we tried General Hydroponics, Botanicare, Cutting Edge, and Advanced (im talking base nutrients and bloom boosteres only for all these companies, im very picky bout what additives i use). i considered this mainly their grow cuz i lived almost an hour away and it was at their house. out of all of these grows it was easy to say Advanced did the best out of personal experience. yes this is my first SOLO grow. im 9 days into bloom. i procrastinated building my bloom room and i vegged my plants for 2 months. i have 2 strains, 30 Whitaker Blues and 30 Afgoo's. the whitakers are waaayyy 2 big. the afgoos are just slightly too big.... there asshole. the full explanation.

ive run Humboldt Nutrients, Botanicare, General Hydroponics, Cutting Edge Solutions, and Advanced Nutrients. and out of my experiences and my research ive found that Advanced has the best base nutrients and probably the best bloom boosters. ive found that i dont need to flush half as long when i run Advanced as opposed to GH and CES and other than Humboldt Nutrients it was the hardest to burn/overfeed/lockout out of all of them. $5 a liter is worth the micronutrient chelation, the humic acid, the fulvic acid, the L form amino acids and the surfactant in my opinion. believe in it or not, its cheaper than your Dyna-Gro. but you just hold onto the idea that your saving money and getting a better product.

plus if you actually read my posts through you would have seen i ADVISE AGAINST MANY ADVANCED NUTRIENT PRODUCTS, namely Rhino Skin, Tarantula, Piranha, aunt enngy's F1, aunt enngy's h2, wet betty, and Bud Blood. i would never suggest anyone get these products.

I use the three part with bigbud. B52. Overdrive and thats it super simple and affective

i use the sensi grow, sensi bloom, sensizym, big bud and overdrive. cant see how anyone could not do well with it.

dizzlekush said:

...its cheaper than your Dyna-Gro.

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What is the EC contribution of 1 ml of each of your base nutes into 1 gallon of water?

Hey HB, have you ever used Maxsea Grow (16-16-16) and Maxsea Bloom (3-20-20)? You can also mix them for desired NPK ratios. Peace, jethead

i dont know exactly. i use ppm's instead of EC and i use a whole bunch of products to get my ppms instead of just base nutes. its whatever man. you obviously formed some sort of prejudice for all AN products. i formed my opinion on researching them and comparing them to other grows ive had. i think some of their products are rip off's, some are ok, and some are good. like most nutrient companies. i think there's enough proof out there to show that they have the best non organic base nutrients and the best b vitamin supplement. you disagree but whatever, i look at science, you look at the fact i don't have a camera and you do.

ill admit that you proved to me that Dyna-Gro has 4 chelated micronutriens. i didn't know that. i admit that you showed me something that i previously didn't know. but ill also admit that you have your head up your ass and your poo-pooing a bunch of science i've thrown at you because your just a believer in the products you use. "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan. keeping your mind shut to products, science and ideas just limits your development as a person and a grower.

dizzlekush said:

i dont know exactly. i use ppm's instead of EC and i use a whole bunch of products to get my ppms instead of just base nutes. its whatever man. you obviously formed some sort of prejudice for all AN products. i formed my opinion on researching them and comparing them to other grows ive had. i think some of their products are rip off's, some are ok, and some are good. like most nutrient companies. i think there's enough proof out there to show that they have the best non organic base nutrients and the best b vitamin supplement. you disagree but whatever, i look at science, you look at the fact i don't have a camera and you do.

ill admit that you proved to me that Dyna-Gro has 4 chelated micronutriens. i didn't know that. i admit that you showed me something that i previously didn't know. but ill also admit that you have your head up your ass and your poo-pooing a bunch of science i've thrown at you because your just a believer in the products you use. "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan. keeping your mind shut to products, science and ideas just limits your development as a person and a grower.

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I don't care what nutes you use, you're young and inexperienced so it's natural that you don't know any better. Your 'science' holds zero weight when anyone with a high school biology class under their belts can turn the bottles around and easily determine which is the superior formula. Is it also 'science' when someone asks you a very specific question and you answer '...its whatever man'? That doesn't sound very precise to me.

This conversation is going nowhere. You don't have a camera or a grow to take pics of. Your plant nutrition 'science' is misguided at best, and frankly I have better things to do than to make you look dumb. I wish you luck in your future trolls both here and at grasscity. Unsubbed.

unfortunately for you anyone with a college level biology class under their belt would know about Humic Acid, Fulvic Acid, the difference between endomycorrhizae and ecotmycorrhizae, L-lysine, L-tryptophan, auxins, cytokinins and that those are all proven to accelerate plant growth. that is science, not pseudoscience. if you actually decided to do legitimate research on botany you might know some of this shit, unfortunately you dont and you pass on an opinion before you TRULY research it. "Condemnation before investigation, is the highest form of ignorance." you condemn my science as commercial driven pseudoscience before you actually investigate it. guess who said that quote? Albert Einstein, you ignorant shit.