Alcohol Tincture

SouthCross

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The everclear burns pretty good. It takes a few doses to get use to it. As for the flavor. I personally like it. It has chocolate overtones. Since I used the coffee grinder, I might have gotten some coffee dust in the mix. If I did the flavor is perfect. Folgers.

The rest of the flavor has an aftertaste like cannabutter. All those small fluffy buds at the bottom of the plants. If it's not worth smoking it go's into the Green Dragon. Ill keep adding to the batch.
 

Nouna

Member
The everclear burns pretty good. It takes a few doses to get use to it. As for the flavor. I personally like it. It has chocolate overtones. Since I used the coffee grinder, I might have gotten some coffee dust in the mix. If I did the flavor is perfect. Folgers.

The rest of the flavor has an aftertaste like cannabutter. All those small fluffy buds at the bottom of the plants. If it's not worth smoking it go's into the Green Dragon. Ill keep adding to the batch.
The everclear burns pretty good. It takes a few doses to get use to it. As for the flavor. I personally like it. It has chocolate overtones. Since I used the coffee grinder, I might have gotten some coffee dust in the mix. If I did the flavor is perfect. Folgers.

The rest of the flavor has an aftertaste like cannabutter. All those small fluffy buds at the bottom of the plants. If it's not worth smoking it go's into the Green Dragon. Ill keep adding to the batch.

I guess I have some studying to do.
I have Kief on hand, I do have liquid flavors(for )

Could I do something with the kief?
 

greg nr

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I saw a guy on a youtube vid recently who put the tincture out in the sun for a few hours and all the green left it. He was left with an amber liquor.

Does that work to eliminate the chlorophyl taste or does it just kill the green color?

Also, does it effect any of the active ingredients?
 

SouthCross

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I saw a guy on a youtube vid recently who put the tincture out in the sun for a few hours and all the green left it. He was left with an amber liquor.

Does that work to eliminate the chlorophyl taste or does it just kill the green color?

Also, does it effect any of the active ingredients?

Light breaks it down. That's why it's stored in the dark. The dropper bottle is either brown or blue. Never clear.
 

SouthCross

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People keep trying to make Green Dragon better. If you melt enough weed in it. I can personally testify, it'll fu¢k you up. Not in a big blunt or brownie way.

Oh no

It'll hit you in 30 minutes and put your ass on the couch. Sneaks up and your legs are rubber. Green Dragon is no joke. Why the hell someone would leave it the sun is beyond me...
 

SouthCross

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Next up. Using Jack Daniels. I can't reduce it or it'll boil off lots of alcohol leaving a bunch of watered down mix. I can wait. I'll buy a 750ml, black label, bottle of Jack Daniels. Pour a bit off into a flask. Add about an ounce of ground, decarbed popcorn bud. Then aged for about three months.
 

AKTripp

New Member
Ok so maybe someone else has had this problem.
I was giving my tincture a water bath and once it cooled down I went to take the jar out only to hear the horrible sound of the glass separating perfectly on the bottom followed by a gush, losing all my mixture in the water. I think there was at least 4 cups of water in the pan and for my tincture I was using a quart mason jar filled with everclear.
It looks very well mixed. A nice cloudy green color. The solids are at the bottom. My question is what are my options?
I was originally going to make this into gummies. Can I still it for that and just filter out the solids? Is the taste going to be unbearable?
What if I just turn it into a tea?
Is the boil the liquid off the best option?
Should I at those point just add some butter or coconut oil? What will the alcohol in it do? Will it still be just as strong as the normal process of making cannabutter?
Any and all advice is much appreciated. I am hoping to fix this problem today.
 

greg nr

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Ok so maybe someone else has had this problem.
I was giving my tincture a water bath and once it cooled down I went to take the jar out only to hear the horrible sound of the glass separating perfectly on the bottom followed by a gush, losing all my mixture in the water. I think there was at least 4 cups of water in the pan and for my tincture I was using a quart mason jar filled with everclear.
It looks very well mixed. A nice cloudy green color. The solids are at the bottom. My question is what are my options?
I was originally going to make this into gummies. Can I still it for that and just filter out the solids? Is the taste going to be unbearable?
What if I just turn it into a tea?
Is the boil the liquid off the best option?
Should I at those point just add some butter or coconut oil? What will the alcohol in it do? Will it still be just as strong as the normal process of making cannabutter?
Any and all advice is much appreciated. I am hoping to fix this problem today.
well... your thc is dissolved in the ethanol, which is dissolved in water. Your best bet is to add butter and heat it up again. That will drive off the ethanol and the thc should be absorbed into the butter (it doesn't like water). When you cool the mix, the butter will be seperate from the water and all the thc will be in the butter.

If you just drive off the ethanol, the THC should precipitate out into the water, but I'm not sure how you could collect it. It would be an oily mess.
 

PsychedelicSam

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well... your thc is dissolved in the ethanol, which is dissolved in water. Your best bet is to add butter and heat it up again. That will drive off the ethanol and the thc should be absorbed into the butter (it doesn't like water). When you cool the mix, the butter will be seperate from the water and all the thc will be in the butter.

If you just drive off the ethanol, the THC should precipitate out into the water, but I'm not sure how you could collect it. It would be an oily mess.
This is similar to reducing a 151 tincture as opposed to 190 proof because of the excess water. If you want to continue with an alcohol tincture then you would heat your mixed solution to evaporate off the alcohol. It will soon separate into your dark cannabis oil and water. The cannabis oil will continue to precipitate out and form a dark layer of oil on the bottom. Continue to heat it until all the water/liquid has evaporated and you're left with a gooey oil on the bottom. That is your cannabis oil. At that point you can add some fresh alcohol to it for the potency you want. Of course, you'll have a few extra minerals in it from all that water but it will work well.

The coconut oil/butter idea will work, too. dragon (2015_10_01 04_32_03 UTC).gif
 

AKTripp

New Member
Thanks Greg nr and Psychedelicsam for the input. I ended up just turning it into butter. I was bummed to have had to waste all that alcohol but at least it saved the weed.
I also took some of the liquid before turning it into butter and just made my gummies with that and it still seemed to work but was definitely not as strong as it could have been.
 

Hobbes

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Here's a video demonstrating Sam's most excellent alcohol tincture reducing method.

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PsychedelicSam

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Here's a video demonstrating Sam's most excellent alcohol tincture reducing method.

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petert

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I found good recepies for three methods: Hot Extraction, the quickest extraction of cannaboids (20 minutes); suprisingly the Cold Extraction next (2-3 days); and the Warm Extraction longest (30-60 days).

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Hot Extraction:

This is a simple and efficient 4 Step process.

Ingredients:
1/8oz high quality cannabis
2 oz Bacardi Rum 151 proof


Process Summary:

1. Chop cannabis very fine (coffee grinder works great)

2. Place in a shallow pan (pie pan with aluminum foil works great) and bake at 325°F for 4-5 minutes.

3. Remove from oven and place cannabis and place in 2 oz of rum (use a small wide mouth mason jar)

4. Simmer in a water bath for 20 minutes. Maintain temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture between 150°F 165°F.

5. Strain the mixture and store.


Dosage:
One eyedropper is very nice. Two puts you in space. But you should self-titrate. Effects take about 1.5 hours to begin (at least in myself) and lasted for 5 hours (1 dropper) to 7-8 hours (2 droppers).


Process detailsreferences and rationalizations:
1. Chop the cannabismore surface area gives means a faster and more efficient extraction.

2. Bake the cannabis.
In whole-plant cannabis, THC content is expressed as THCA (tetrahydrocannabolic acid) prior to decarboxylation into THC, which takes place when cannabis is heated during cooking, and smoked or vaporized ingestion. THCA is a mild analgesic and anti-inflammatory but does not have good affinity with our CB1 receptors, so in order to make a THC-rich tincture that has many of the same therapeutic effects as smoked ingestion (including rapid absorption, quick relief and ease of self-titration), we must convert the THCA in the plant matter into THC prior to extracting it through an alcohol soak. (from Vancouver Island Compassion Society http://thevics.com/cannamist.htm)
THC vaporizes at about 380°F. We want to heat the cannabis to convert THCA to THC, but keep the temperature under 380°F. That is why 325°F is used. Between four and five minutes your oven (and house) will start to smell very strong. This is the time to remove the cannabis from the oven.

Notice also that there is considerable misinformation regarding heating the cannabis. It is true that you don't have to heat it to extract both THC and THCA, but the amount of THC in whole plant preparations is relatively small compared to after decarboxylation of the THCA. So if you want to maximize the strength of your tincture you must heat the cannabis prior to extraction.

3. Use the highest proof alcohol available. In my area this was Bacardi 151. The more alcohol the more efficient the extraction will be.

4. Simmer the mixture.
This is one of the areas that seems to be most debated. Many recipes call for placing the cannabis (unbaked of course) into the alcohol and waiting 2 6 weeks. The main concern with heating the alcohol is that it is explosive (not exactly true...it is however flammable).

The purpose of the simmering is to heat the alcohol mixture to improve extraction rates and efficiencies. Heating during extraction increases the motion of the molecules (basic physics/chemistry) and drastically decreases extraction times. The boiling point of pure ethanol is 173°F (78°C). We will use the water bath to heat the rum/cannabis mixture to just below the boiling point of ethanol.

Heating the alcohol mixture can be done very safely using a hot water bath. You will need an accurate candy or quick read thermometer. Place about 1 inch of water in a wide, vertical-edged pan (9 wide x 3 high). Bring the water to a low simmer. The rum/cannabis mixture should be in a small (1 pint) mason jar. Do NOT cover the jar.

Put the thermometer into the mason jar and place into the simmering water bath. Bring the temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture to about 165°F (I maintain it between 150°F and 165°F). You want the alcohol mixture to be just barely moving (not boiling, but showing active convection within the mixture). If the mixture starts to bubble too much, just turn down the water bath.

You should have the oven fan on high. You will notice that any alcohol fumes are mixed with water vapor from the water bath and vented out the fan. This combined with the fact that you are trying not to boil the ethanol makes the process quite safe.

5. Strain, titrate, and store.
When you are finished with the extraction you will be left with about 1oz of green dragon tincture. Note that one ounce of the alcohol has evaporated.

Now you should test your eyedropper. In my test 34 full droppers equaled one ounce of liquid (this is a little less than one gram of liquid per dropperful as 29g equals 1ounce).

The liquid should be dark green and smell like cannabis.

6. Dosage.
Everybody is probably different. It takes me 1.5 hours to feel the effects of eating cannabis. Similarly this tincture also takes 1.5 hours to take effect.

I had tried a tincture someone had made using the cold extraction method with the same amount of cannabis and found that 5 droppers did pretty much nothing.

Using my Green Dragon technique I find that one dropper will bring effects on in 1.5 hours and last 5 hours with 1.5 hours of lingering aftereffects.

Two droppers gave me a "spiritual dose" (as strong as any brownie I ever had). Effects lasted 7-8 hours with lingering effects for 2 more hours.

This means that 1/8oz of good cannabis yields about 30-34 doses of tincture (1 dropperful is really all I need). And is much more pleasant than smoking (which really is bad for you and your lungs and the reason I've stopped smoking entirely).


This link might be helpful.
Metric Conversion: http://www.worldwidemetric.com/metcal.htm


Enjoy and let me know of your success and/or questions.

Master Wu
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Alchemist
I use the cold method (Golden Dragon) But like every There is a variation of this that I use.
I first decarb my weed, I don’t grind it in a grinder of any sort, I just hand crumble! I then place the weed in a large sealable jar and place in the freezer over night. I also place a bottle of Everclear in the freezer over night.
In the AM I pour my bottle of Everclear into the jar of frozen decarbed weed and shake the holy hell out of it for 5 minutes.
Then I place the jar back in the freezer for 2-3 hours and repeat.
You want to keep the water soluble material (Chlorophyll) green matter frozen so it’s not extracted along with the good golden stuff!
You can repeat set two shaking and return to freezer. But I’ve found it’s not really necessary to do the shaking process more than 3 times total.
I then strain the liquid using my Magical Butter Maker strainer. ( You can use cheese cloth too)
You are finished here if you want to be! If you want to concentrate this tincture you can put it in a crock pot, or over a low heat on the stove, just be super careful cause Everclear is highly flammable and remember to stir frequently, alcohol has a low boiling point and will reduce and evaporate fairly quickly. When I reduce I reduce by no more than 50% .
2-3 drops in a stout or IPA and you’ve got yourself a really enjoyable afternoon.
 

StanleyMan

New Member
Very informatic thread, thanks!
My question on professionals...
I have made 12 gramms of skaff from indor trim from BubleGum, after this I have dissolved this in alko let inside 3 days, after filtered alko, than evaporate alko in the oven on 70-80 Celsium, after made a decarboxilation in a same oven on 110 Celsium. After this I dissolved my decarboxilated amber in 80 mililiters of Glycerine (heated it). Today is a third day inside Glycerine, I shaking it every day... the tincture is workable but not a homogeneous before I shake it...
My question is - shall I wait also 60 days and shake it every day, like in a case with weed, to get a ready tincture? Or I can filter this solution even now..? Thanks
sorry for my english, I am not a native speaker
 
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