Alfalfa tea and triacontanol

max.grower

max.grower

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Hey sorry I’m new and confused to the site so I apologize in advance if I’m not posting in the right area. I’ve looked everywhere but can’t find the information I’m looking for. I’m just wondering if I we’re to brew alfalfa meal in a bucket with kelp meal and molasses, would the triacontanol extracted from the alfalfa be readily available for my plants to uptake for watering in root zone or am I missing a step in the process for the plants to be able to uptake triacontanol and take advantage or am I not understanding completely. Thank everyone.
 
calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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I had a Triacontanol info hunt myself and was surprised the lack of information on it.

Personally, I order Vitazyme off eBay it claims to have
• Brassinosteroids
• Triacontanol
• Glycosides
• B Vitamins
• Porphyrins

1oz/gal spray weekly. There isn't enough info out there to safely brew your own triacontanol without potential consequence or lack of benefit. It should be noted as well that Triacontanol is not a water-soluble substance.

Quit using any type of supplemental sprays once buds show. Typically week 2-3 of bloom.
 
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Wastei

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I use Triacontanol extract and Polysorbate20/tween20 to make Triacontanol paste. Brassinolides should be avoided in flower, it decreases potency.

10ppm TRIA, aminos(hydrolysed whey isolate) and 40-50ppm magnesium sulfate(Epsom salt) is what I normally use up until 4th week of flower. Works really well. Cheers!
 
calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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Wastei said:
I use Triacontanol extract and Polysorbate20/tween20 to make Triacontanol paste. Brassinolides should be avoided in flower, it decreases potency.

10ppm TRIA, aminos(hydrolysed whey isolate) and 40-50ppm magnesium sulfate(Epsom salt) is what I normally use up until 4th week of flower. Works really well. Cheers!
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Golden info. P.S I had this bookmarked seems bad ass just put in a order just waiting for shipment.
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  1. Rhizotonic 5Liter $290.20 MSRP Secret Ingredients: Indole-3-butyric acid and some B-Vitamins
  2. B-52 4 Liter $141.10 MSRP Secret Ingredients: Some B-Vitamins, Bap-6(6-Benzylaminopurine)
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  4. Canna Boost 5Liter $495.95 MSRP Secret Ingredients: Bap-6(6-Benzylaminopurine), Triacontanol, Some B-Vitamins
  5. Snow Storm Ultra 1Gallon $98.95 MSRP Secret Ingredients: Triacontanol
Grand Total = $1200.60 (WHAT A RIP OFF)

MB Hormone-Vitamin Booster: $50 for a 4 Liter bottle.
Our ingredients: Naturally derived Auxins, Kelp (Ascophyllan Nodosum) & Tangle (Lamnaria a Japonica), Medicago Sativa (Alfalfa Extract), Fulvic Acid, B1, B2, B3, B6, B9, and B12 Vitamins

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Rurumo

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Good stuff guys. I'm a big believer in triacontanol, just tough to find the "perfect" product. I've mixed up ebay tricontanol according to a recipe before-it's easy to see why tea isn't as effective, the stuff doesn't mix well at all. I think it's a type of wax? Which makes sense because some triacontanol comes from beeswax. Anyway, I just wanted to add that alfalfa sst's seem so much more effective than teas, and the reason why I think is because you blend up all the sprouts and add feed it to your plants. So nothing is ever extracted. I also get incredible effects in my veggie garden when I add a nice thick layer of alfalfa pellets to the soil just before winter arrives-next spring, the soil is pretty much recharged and the seedling growth is crazy. So I think you either need to physically add whole alfalfa in some form, or find/make a good, bioavailable extract. I'm going to check those products you guys listed out. Consider alfalfa SST though, it really works good!
 
calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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Rurumo said:
Good stuff guys. I'm a big believer in triacontanol, just tough to find the "perfect" product. I've mixed up ebay tricontanol according to a recipe before-it's easy to see why tea isn't as effective, the stuff doesn't mix well at all. I think it's a type of wax? Which makes sense because some triacontanol comes from beeswax. Anyway, I just wanted to add that alfalfa sst's seem so much more effective than teas, and the reason why I think is because you blend up all the sprouts and add feed it to your plants. So nothing is ever extracted. I also get incredible effects in my veggie garden when I add a nice thick layer of alfalfa pellets to the soil just before winter arrives-next spring, the soil is pretty much recharged and the seedling growth is crazy. So I think you either need to physically add whole alfalfa in some form, or find/make a good, bioavailable extract. I'm going to check those products you guys listed out. Consider alfalfa SST though, it really works good!
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Cheers on the info, I've heard insanely good things about the Manic Botanix additive aka "MB Hormone". They have a shop near me in Detroit and I think I have found out where some of my fellow growers are getting their secret sauce. :)

I'm a strong believer in supplementing garden beds with nice organic stuff just before winter. I like to buy the huge bags of Terp Tea and use that on my veggie garden. Made some A++ veggies last summer!! The Garlic was insane..

I would agree that hormones are more effective than microbes at creating higher yielding plants. If your shooting for specifically quality then hormones can be avoided but when you need yield & quality to keep the lights on then its a dream come true.
 
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gkay723

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calvin.m16 said:
Golden info. P.S I had this bookmarked seems bad ass just put in a order just waiting for shipment.
mbferts.com

MB Secret Sauce | HORMONE AND VITAMIN BOOSTER | VEG and BLOOM | MBFerts Bulk Wholesale Hydroponic Equipment Dealer

MB Secret Sauce | HORMONE AND VITAMIN BOOSTER | VEG and BLOOM MB Hormone and Vitamin Booster is used to BOOST the hormones in your plants to make them achieve larger growth, greener plants, more trichome, and much more. THIS IS THE VEG and BLOOM Formula. Used in Veg and FLOWER stages!!! We offer...
mbferts.com mbferts.com
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How did this end up going?
 
calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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gkay723 said:
How did this end up going?
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Definitely added weight to all my plants I'd say they were easily 20-30% fatter than normal in weight and size. Nothing else changed. I feed using House & Garden base nutrients (coco) and grow in coco in 20 gallon plastic pots and feeding/watering every other day with 1.6 EC in VEG then ramping it up to 2.2 EC in bloom the plants looove it.

The hormones need to be used very exact to directions though I think I overused it on one of my california dream plants and it got some fox tails during late bloom. The 2 plants below each pulled 27 ounces of dry flower.

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For the price its worth using, the fox tail may have just been that particular phenotype of California Dream to be honest because it also turned purple where the other one next to it didn't..
 
jondamon

jondamon

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calvin.m16 said:
Definitely added weight to all my plants I'd say they were easily 20-30% fatter than normal in weight and size. Nothing else changed. I feed using House & Garden base nutrients (coco) and grow in coco in 20 gallon plastic pots and feeding/watering every other day with 1.6 EC in VEG then ramping it up to 2.2 EC in bloom the plants looove it.

The hormones need to be used very exact to directions though I think I overused it on one of my california dream plants and it got some fox tails during late bloom. The 2 plants below each pulled 27 ounces of dry flower.

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For the price its worth using, the fox tail may have just been that particular phenotype of California Dream to be honest because it also turned purple where the other one next to it didn't..
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Jesus dude 2.2EC in coco.

this is 1.1EC and feeding daily.
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I’m a big believer in less is more.

I try to grow using as low nutrient strength as I can.

Don’t get me wrong your plants look good I’m not knocking them.

Just wondering if you’ve tried running lower EC?

are you supplementing Co2 or anything else to warrant the high EC?

My own nutrients recommend 2.2-2.6 during flower and I’ve never needed to go above 1.4 using Dutch pro.
 
jondamon

jondamon

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just thought I would add that I’ve recently just started using Tria from beeswax on the grow above.
 
calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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jondamon said:
Jesus dude 2.2EC in coco.

this is 1.1EC and feeding daily.
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I’m a big believer in less is more.

I try to grow using as low nutrient strength as I can.

Don’t get me wrong your plants look good I’m not knocking them.

Just wondering if you’ve tried running lower EC?

are you supplementing Co2 or anything else to warrant the high EC?

My own nutrients recommend 2.2-2.6 during flower and I’ve never needed to go above 1.4 using Dutch pro.
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I'm a believer in less is more as well.. Keep in mind I'm feeding every 48-72 hours instead of every 12-24 hours like most coco growers.. This plays a huge role in EC value. If I was feeding a flood table of rockwool 3-4 times a day I would reduce my EC wayyy down to probably 1.4-1.6 EC.

In 20 gallon pots of Coco with 6 ft tall plants feeding every other day you can easily run 2.0-2.2 EC, especially during mid bloom. I have tried lower EC and the plants do not like it. They will start to show deficiencies and not yield nearly as much. The Fox tailing on the one plant is totally genetics it fox tailed in our other rooms that are LED as well.

I supplement Co2 using a liquid propane burner with a Titan Controls controller (forget the model). I'm running 1200-1500 PPM of co2.

Environment:
Lights On: 82 °F / 50% humidity
Lights Off: 72 °F / 45% humidity

I achieve the above environmental variables thanks to 2 x Quest Dual 155 Dehumidifiers and 2 x 3 ton mini splits.

I've experimented with low EC values in bloom like 1.4-1.6 and its too low for the plants I'm growing in the environment I'm pushing them in. You will start to see yellowing and deficiencies within a couple days if the EC drops that low in the coco. This is why I quit doing feed/water/feed/water and now I just feed every 2 days @ 2.0-2.2 EC depending on stage of growth..

I scale my feeding from 1.2 VEG up to 2.2 by mid-bloom then taper it back down until the last 14 days of bloom where I feed ONLY Pure 15 PPM RO.

I have documented all my grows in journals and I know it sounds crazy to have that high of EC but the plants I'm growing each take up a 25-30 square foot area. I tried the small pots and feeding 2-3 times a day and its not for me. I'm a coco grower but prefer to have the bigger root system and water less frequently. WOrks for me, I'm pulling 2-3 pounds per plant every harvest.

House & Garden Cocos Base Nutrients A&B
Ionic PK Boost
I add 1 sachet of shooting powder by House & Garden week 4 of bloom, that's the only time I apply it, usually this is when I will bounce off the 2.1-2.2 EC on my truncheon.

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jondamon

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calvin.m16 said:
I'm a believer in less is more as well.. Keep in mind I'm feeding every 48-72 hours instead of every 12-24 hours like most coco growers.. This plays a huge role in EC value. If I was feeding a flood table of rockwool 3-4 times a day I would reduce my EC wayyy down to probably 1.4-1.6 EC.

In 20 gallon pots of Coco with 6 ft tall plants feeding every other day you can easily run 2.0-2.2 EC, especially during mid bloom. I have tried lower EC and the plants do not like it. They will start to show deficiencies and not yield nearly as much. The Fox tailing on the one plant is totally genetics it fox tailed in our other rooms that are LED as well.

I supplement Co2 using a liquid propane burner with a Titan Controls controller (forget the model). I'm running 1200-1500 PPM of co2.

Environment:
Lights On: 82 °F / 50% humidity
Lights Off: 72 °F / 45% humidity

I achieve the above environmental variables thanks to 2 x Quest Dual 155 Dehumidifiers and 2 x 3 ton mini splits.

I've experimented with low EC values in bloom like 1.4-1.6 and its too low for the plants I'm growing in the environment I'm pushing them in. You will start to see yellowing and deficiencies within a couple days if the EC drops that low in the coco. This is why I quit doing feed/water/feed/water and now I just feed every 2 days @ 2.0-2.2 EC depending on stage of growth..

I scale my feeding from 1.2 VEG up to 2.2 by mid-bloom then taper it back down until the last 14 days of bloom where I feed ONLY Pure 15 PPM RO.

I have documented all my grows in journals and I know it sounds crazy to have that high of EC but the plants I'm growing each take up a 25-30 square foot area. I tried the small pots and feeding 2-3 times a day and its not for me. I'm a coco grower but prefer to have the bigger root system and water less frequently. WOrks for me, I'm pulling 2-3 pounds per plant every harvest.

House & Garden Cocos Base Nutrients A&B
Ionic PK Boost
I add 1 sachet of shooting powder by House & Garden week 4 of bloom, that's the only time I apply it, usually this is when I will bounce off the 2.1-2.2 EC on my truncheon.

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Makes sense with 6ft tall plants and the EC you’re running.

mine very rarely exceed 3ft tall with very minimal training etc.

Like I said in no way was I knocking you or your work as it’s *A.

Just always interested in other coco growers who are using higher EC’s to see why they can run that high.

The brand I use DUTCH PRO actually has seedlings and early veg as high as 1.6EC.

I literally cannot understand that EC Value they recommend and as such have never ventured that high in strength as at 1.4 and beyond I can get burn with the way I run my area.


thanks for explaining your setup.

happy growing.
 
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gkay723

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calvin.m16 said:
I'm a believer in less is more as well.. Keep in mind I'm feeding every 48-72 hours instead of every 12-24 hours like most coco growers.. This plays a huge role in EC value. If I was feeding a flood table of rockwool 3-4 times a day I would reduce my EC wayyy down to probably 1.4-1.6 EC.

In 20 gallon pots of Coco with 6 ft tall plants feeding every other day you can easily run 2.0-2.2 EC, especially during mid bloom. I have tried lower EC and the plants do not like it. They will start to show deficiencies and not yield nearly as much. The Fox tailing on the one plant is totally genetics it fox tailed in our other rooms that are LED as well.

I supplement Co2 using a liquid propane burner with a Titan Controls controller (forget the model). I'm running 1200-1500 PPM of co2.

Environment:
Lights On: 82 °F / 50% humidity
Lights Off: 72 °F / 45% humidity

I achieve the above environmental variables thanks to 2 x Quest Dual 155 Dehumidifiers and 2 x 3 ton mini splits.

I've experimented with low EC values in bloom like 1.4-1.6 and its too low for the plants I'm growing in the environment I'm pushing them in. You will start to see yellowing and deficiencies within a couple days if the EC drops that low in the coco. This is why I quit doing feed/water/feed/water and now I just feed every 2 days @ 2.0-2.2 EC depending on stage of growth..

I scale my feeding from 1.2 VEG up to 2.2 by mid-bloom then taper it back down until the last 14 days of bloom where I feed ONLY Pure 15 PPM RO.

I have documented all my grows in journals and I know it sounds crazy to have that high of EC but the plants I'm growing each take up a 25-30 square foot area. I tried the small pots and feeding 2-3 times a day and its not for me. I'm a coco grower but prefer to have the bigger root system and water less frequently. WOrks for me, I'm pulling 2-3 pounds per plant every harvest.

House & Garden Cocos Base Nutrients A&B
Ionic PK Boost
I add 1 sachet of shooting powder by House & Garden week 4 of bloom, that's the only time I apply it, usually this is when I will bounce off the 2.1-2.2 EC on my truncheon.

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Still digging the hormones? Totally forgot about it then I came across your post again. Lovely buds
 
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calvin.m16

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gkay723 said:
Still digging the hormones? Totally forgot about it then I came across your post again. Lovely buds
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Thanks, I am actually trying out Cyco full line without any additives or hormones. I had some seeds showing up in buds and wanted to eliminate the hormones for now to see if that issue clears up. It was small white seeds as if the plants ripened too long but they only went for 60 days in 12/12. :\

The Hormones are definitely worthwhile especially with lower wattage setups because you squeeze every bit out of the plants but it's a bit spendy and not necessary.

I will run them again if Cyco doesn't show me something new. So far the veg is BEAUTIFUL and growth is Explosive. These plants were all "mainlined" and have around 16 main tops each.
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Just moved 6 of them out here, placed the 1000w Double-End HPS a bit closer this run and I'm doing 5' wide rows instead of 10' wide for better management of the canopy as it grows. So far definitely digging Cyco nutrients without any external additives. I use their supplements modestly and so far so good. My local grow shop gives me buy one get one free since I give them all my business and refer a lot of people there, so it's worth the money when you get a free 5 liter jug with how concentrated the line is.
 
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gkay723

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Are those the pots that they finish in? How much water do you usually give them whe they’re relatively small for the pot? Cheers
 
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glow1

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calvin.m16 said:
Cheers on the info, I've heard insanely good things about the Manic Botanix additive aka "MB Hormone". They have a shop near me in Detroit and I think I have found out where some of my fellow growers are getting their secret sauce. :)

I'm a strong believer in supplementing garden beds with nice organic stuff just before winter. I like to buy the huge bags of Terp Tea and use that on my veggie garden. Made some A++ veggies last summer!! The Garlic was insane..

I would agree that hormones are more effective than microbes at creating higher yielding plants. If your shooting for specifically quality then hormones can be avoided but when you need yield & quality to keep the lights on then its a dream come true.
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This is Glow, the author behind the content on Manic Botanix.

Manic Botanix (manicbotanix.com the site) is now closed due to scum bags like MB Ferts claiming they are linked to Manic Botanix. Manic Botanix has no affiliation to MB Ferts and never has had an affiliation to MB Ferts. After years of people trading off my rep and untold bullshit and parasites along the way Glow has left the Canna building. Be sure to thank the scumbag from MB Ferts (no affiliation to Manic Botanix) for having solid content removed from the web. And to confirm this is Glow simply ask the fat thieving lying fuck behind MB Ferts to provide you with a login for Manic Botanix (site is now password locked) because let's face it if he is Manic Botanix he can provide you with a login password. Fact check and you will find he is unable to provide you with this password. To however confirm I am Glow by all means shoot me an email at [email protected] or at [email protected] and I will respond well done for fact checking "FACTS". Just because some clueless chemtard clown trades off my reputation (btw I had his PGR product - chlormequat chloride, an immune system suppressant - just what Med users with compromised immune systems need) removed from the market by the EPA years ago after hearing he was trading off my hard work) doesn't make it so. Several people out there looking to make commercial gain are claiming they are linked to Manic Botanix and point blank Manic Botanix has no links to any nutrient company - or any other Canna related company - period! It's sad that this crap has happened because ultimately the community has lost a resource that has been pivotal in raising the bar of knowledge while scumfucks like MB Ferts have left such a sickening taste in my mouth while the Canna industry bought way too much negativity into my world that I simply walked away. And at the end of the day it is no loss to me and a great loss to the grow community as a whole. Oh and by the way the hormone product you speak of is old world NAA based - NAA is banned for use in Europe in crop production and needs to be registered with the EPA. There is however no place for the use of NAA in cannabis production. NAA remains residual in plants (it's a synthetic and quite toxic auxin). Do not use this shit growing cannabis unless you have a low moral character and now knowingly are likely harming cannabis consumers when growing with this poison. Peace out, goodbye, Glow.
 
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calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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glow1 said:
This is Glow, the author behind the content on Manic Botanix.

Manic Botanix (manicbotanix.com the site) is now closed due to scum bags like MB Ferts claiming they are linked to Manic Botanix. Manic Botanix has no affiliation to MB Ferts and never has had an affiliation to MB Ferts. After years of people trading off my rep and untold bullshit and parasites along the way Glow has left the Canna building. Be sure to thank the scumbag from MB Ferts (no affiliation to Manic Botanix) for having solid content removed from the web. And to confirm this is Glow simply ask the fat thieving lying fuck behind MB Ferts to provide you with a login for Manic Botanix (site is now password locked) because let's face it if he is Manic Botanix he can provide you with a login password. Fact check and you will find he is unable to provide you with this password. To however confirm I am Glow by all means shoot me an email at [email protected] or at [email protected] and I will respond well done for fact checking "FACTS". Just because some clueless chemtard clown trades off my reputation (btw I had his PGR product - chlormequat chloride, an immune system suppressant - just what Med users with compromised immune systems need) removed from the market by the EPA years ago after hearing he was trading off my hard work) doesn't make it so. Several people out there looking to make commercial gain are claiming they are linked to Manic Botanix and point blank Manic Botanix has no links to any nutrient company - or any other Canna related company - period! It's sad that this crap has happened because ultimately the community has lost a resource that has been pivotal in raising the bar of knowledge while scumfucks like MB Ferts have left such a sickening taste in my mouth while the Canna industry bought way too much negativity into my world that I simply walked away. And at the end of the day it is no loss to me and a great loss to the grow community as a whole. Oh and by the way the hormone product you speak of is old world NAA based - NAA is banned for use in Europe in crop production and needs to be registered with the EPA. There is however no place for the use of NAA in cannabis production. NAA remains residual in plants (it's a synthetic and quite toxic auxin). Do not use this shit growing cannabis unless you have a low moral character and now knowingly are likely harming cannabis consumers when growing with this poison. Peace out, goodbye, Glow.
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I sourced bulk silica from him, fortunately didn't ever use the "secret sauce" a lot of growers here in Mid Michigan were talking about & using. No wonder it made their plants blow up. :lol: :lol: Glad to know.

Many of us noticed your site is password locked now. I will shoot you an email for a login if that's okay. I anymore use Maxibloom & silica in coco and get good results without any other stuff added. I ran the entire CYCO line and slowly removed bottles and noticed no difference lol. Snake oil and as you've noted huge potential for unregulated products like that to contain toxic poisons.
 
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glow1

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Sites permanently closed. Read what I posted. Glow has left the building. The Canna industry bought way too much negativity and scumbags into my life. Moved on.
 
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nxsov180db

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calvin.m16 said:
The hormones need to be used very exact to directions though I think I overused it on one of my california dream plants and it got some fox tails during late bloom. The 2 plants below each pulled 27 ounces of dry flower.
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calvin.m16 said:
I sourced bulk silica from him, fortunately didn't ever use the "secret sauce"
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What did you use from MB Ferts? It looks like you said you used hormones from them but later said you never used the secret sauce, did they have another hormone product? I found this post/thread because I've been searching for Tria and MB Secret Sauce users.
 
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