An established member told me my grow was very interesting and to post it...

It's all good man you just came off as kinda cocky and I could tell that you didn't know what you were talking about. I use Fox Farms nutrients that I got at my local hydroponic store. Can you buy nutes?

No yours is not that bad I was just saying that mine were better that is all. You are on the right track

YO I SUSCRIBED PLANT LOOKIN GOOD... URS 2 TOM.. very fucking good

Toms a persistent little fellow =P

Yah man, yours is looking great and nice experiment... Wanted to that myself, now I dont have to

Jou

Your plant looked fucking awesome before you ditched the foil!



Comparing some HID grown shit with your foil and a few CFLs plant....

You should feel honored or some shit, bro.

Yo, thanks ya'll

I tried to make that picture fake as shit to be funny... I didn't tear down the foil, you know I was playin'. I don't really care if it's there as long as it's not hurting the plant.

Day 51 of flowering!

Told ya it would work! BOO YAH!!

Fennimore said:

And why are you saying it is worse than yours? I know yours are FIRE, but is mine that bad? I just want to know if I am on the right track.

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By the way. I am on the right track.

U are bruah nice growin gonna Be sum dank in the long run keep it up one love

Man somebody has issues with just about everything... I'm supprised those plants dont turn round and tell you to FO with your attitude.

The science suggests that foil is useful, if the walls are not white. I never understood how mylar and those things where any different from foil besides durability. They look the same, and given thier purpose, that means they do the same. I think I'll put some foil on the top of my plant (what is the ceiling to it's area)

VERY nice plants feminmore, it seems your experement worked out pretty well. In the end it is PERSONAL expermentation which will give you a good idea of what works and what does not, even if tom is right, which I don't think so, you will not know until you do it yourself.

Keep up the good strong work, and ignor the persistent muppets that try to force their learning down your throat.

And thanks to TTO, the science you posted is very interesting and useful.

For the sake of argument, CFLs beat any HID any day. if not, you need more CFLs is all.

I like it good job man i dont know your reasoning behind the experment but you could had these same results with allot less stress to your plants bu props on being diff

nugs look good stem look purple as shit for some reason

but keep it up

SiriusGrower said:

Man somebody has issues with just about everything... I'm supprised those plants dont turn round and tell you to FO with your attitude.

The science suggests that foil is useful, if the walls are not white. I never understood how mylar and those things where any different from foil besides durability. They look the same, and given thier purpose, that means they do the same. I think I'll put some foil on the top of my plant (what is the ceiling to it's area)

VERY nice plants feminmore, it seems your experement worked out pretty well. In the end it is PERSONAL expermentation which will give you a good idea of what works and what does not, even if tom is right, which I don't think so, you will not know until you do it yourself.

Keep up the good strong work, and ignor the persistent muppets that try to force their learning down your throat.

And thanks to TTO, the science you posted is very interesting and useful.

For the sake of argument, CFLs beat any HID any day. if not, you need more CFLs is all.

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Thanks dude! I love that the aluminum foil I am using isn't doing a damn thing but being silver. HAHA! I think it really didn't make a difference, really

lrg said:

I like it good job man i dont know your reasoning behind the experment but you could had these same results with allot less stress to your plants bu props on being diff

nugs look good stem look purple as shit for some reason

but keep it up

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Reason: To see if a plant can grow without adding nutes... Also, to keep stressing it by cutting off fan leaves throughout the veg period and see if it still turned female. Then, will it grow nice buds? So far, so good. Still haven't added nutes, and you can tell that there are barely any fan leaves. However, I started watering with molasses about 2 weeks ago. I am going to do this through flushing (although, I don't know why I am flushing because of no nutes added).

The stems are purple for a reason unknown, most likely a lack of nutes. Could have been the strain though.

Interestingly a friend of mine came round today, He said that I should get rid of the large fan leaves on my plant. I have 2 mosters compared to the rest. He said they use of more nutes to keep alive than the leaf can aid with bud production. My wording is aweful so I hope that makes sence.

What do you think?

I think you should leave the leaves alone. Only for the simple fact that they are the powerhouse for the plant. Regardless, if you are using nutes, the leaves can only help the plant, not hurt it (unlesss they are removed). The plant will stunt growth and could possibly herm on you if you remove leaves. Removing leaves should only happen if you are certain that the leaf is done for, or shriveled up... Most likely, it will fall off on it's own by that point though.

If you dont mind me asking..
What was your dry weight?

Johnny Retro said:

If you dont mind me asking..
What was your dry weight?

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It's still drying. Just cut her down 2 days ago.

Did you look at the trichs? Judging by your last set of pics I find it hard to believe that the plant pictured reached full maturity... Do you have any pics man? It should be a nice harvest either way

TeaTreeOil said:

http://www.mysciencebox.org/raisingplants/procedures

Hmm... light box... cardboard box and aluminum foil lining it. DESIGNED TO GROW PLANTS?! Yes. From educators... of science, of course.

http://www.petapixel.com/2009/06/07/make-your-own-aluminum-foil-reflector/

The effectiveness of aluminum foil to reflect light(heat also transfers in the form of radiance) is obvious. A night/day difference.

Oblivious to reality you are.

What works equally well(aluminum foil reflector) for that cute plush doll's ugly shadows works for marijuana plants.

As you can see in the attachment, the far side(right side) of the plant looks nearly identically lit as the directly lit portion(left side). The reason is the aluminum foil reflecting well over 90% of the radiance.

Evenly illuminated plants are happy plants. Indeed, if you care to measure the pixel brightness of the two halfs(of the same node), they are always within 10% of each other(meaning over 90% reflectance).

All cameras do is perform as light meters, FYI. It's the sole function of them.

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I thought I should mention that cameras are designed for measuring relative levels from the specific angle of capture. They're not really your most reliable way of capturing total PAR at specific points on a plant.

A quantum meter is what you're really looking for. One with a remote sensor that you can place in various spots all over the plant that can measure instantaneous Photosynthetic Photon Flux (PPF) in µmol m-2 s-1 Hardcore planted aquarists and reef aquarists have been using these meters for years to measure PAR for the plants/zooxanthellae in their aquariums. The new MQ-200 is pretty awesome with some nice data logging features as well: http://www.apogee-inst.com/quantummeter_options.htm

With one of those meters you can stop the "he said/she said" comparison of grow setups. A very enterprising person could put together a number of common grow setups (different lighting and reflectors) and move the same plant around between them, measuring PAR on consistent spots on the plant. Then since they would already have the different setups, they could make clones of that plant and put a couple of them in each of the grow setups. If they were careful about keeping waterings, ferts, temperature, and humidity consistent between the setups then you would be able to determine very clearly which setup produces the best grows or most energy efficient grows. Then from that you could also see how closely the PAR readings correlate with growth differences.

That's just the practical engineering approach. Anyone who wanted to dispute those results would have to call out that the sample size is too small or suggest something along the lines of "well maybe different strains respond better to different lighting conditions." Then that could just be tested by using clones of different strains and seeing what the variance between strains is.

This would of course have to be done by someone who is VERY curious or who has or is considering setting up a large enough operation that their energy efficiency is worth being concerned over.

For anyone else: do what seems most practical. Many props TeaTreeOil for going to the effort of dispelling some prevalent myths about lighting.