Anti-Trump Protests

dandyrandy said:

You do know the guidelines for medicaid

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You got to be basically broke.

NLXSK1 said:

You got to be basically broke.

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So how does one get on medicaid? I know, my wife works for a Dr.

dandyrandy said:

People I know worth a million plus don't buy insurance.

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I know somebody worth more than a million who does carry coverage. Cancer or serious injury like a child's broken neck can rack up costs in the hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars over a persons life.

Tens of millions? Yeah, I can see how they would not carry medical coverage, or at least the kind us working slugs need.

Fogdog said:

We agree here, i think. Does your family go without any health care coverage?




They were under no obligation to reduce that bill. Do you live your life depending on charity?

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Fuck no I don't live off charity, I pay all my bills. I know the hospital didn't have to reduce my bill...but they did because I paid cash.

Fogdog said:

I know somebody worth more than a million who does carry coverage. Cancer or serious injury like a child's broken neck can rack up costs in the hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars over a persons life.

Tens of millions? Yeah, I can see how they would not carry medical coverage, or at least the kind us working slugs need.

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I'm talking about people with a mil of cash. Not net worth. A mil is nothing today.

dandyrandy said:

So how does one get on medicaid? I know, my wife works for a Dr.

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You apply for it through the government. I know, my dad was on it.

Fogdog said:

Insurance companies always win in the long run. They are in the system for a profit and will price coverage accordingly. What you describe is similar to getting money back from federal tax withholdings at the end of the year. Sure feels good seeing that check but it's better to get zero back rather than an interest free loan to the government that pays out at the end of the year.

Why are insurance companies in the business of providing health care coverage anyway? Insurance should be used to protect a person from a rare but ruinous event, like house fire or an automobile accident, where the cost is shared among a pool of people, many of whom don't experience the same event at the same time. We all use and need medical attention at one time or another.

As long as we are brainstorming, how about universal health care coverage? Health care and education are two of the best investments society can make to establish a healthy economy. Medical costs are a big cause of personal bankruptcy even when a person is insured. Or at least that was the case before the ACA.

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I agree but there is a flaw with that i mean i have money i eat healthy there fore usually never sick i get placed into a group with the same people our premiums are less because were healthy eat and diet properly

now you have a lower income family put into same group kids are unhealthy beause of there hunger so sickkness and disease is common there placed into a group where premiums are high because percentages are percentages

I sure do not want them in my group my premiums will increase from there usage right
So how can it really equal out

dandyrandy said:

I'm talking about people with a mil of cash. Not net worth. A mil is nothing today.

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it is in Thailand over 2.3 million i am a king there and why i plan to move there soon

Once i sell out everything i hand in my citizen ship and fuck right off living on beach watching tight bodies and living the dream

MynameisSolo said:

I agree but there is a flaw with that i mean i have money i eat healthy there fore usually never sick i get placed into a group with the same people our premiums are less because were healthy eat and diet properly

now you have a lower income family put into same group kids are unhealthy beause of there hunger so sickkness and disease is common there placed into a group where premiums are high because percentages are percentages

I sure do not want them in my group my premiums will increase from there usage right
So how can it really equal out

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There are already all kinds of groups, those dont have to be eliminated.

Plain and simple take other countries Free healthare study it figure out how to implement it and then make it happen

Health care should be the least thing a person should have to worry about specially when we give them tax money maybe time to cut some systems to make it happen Health care should be on the GOV dime

I see a lot of people abusing healthcare treatments and going in for things unnecessarily.
Others that eat of the system are people that take terrible care of themselves.
It would be nice if folks that try to take care of themselves and avoid going to the doctor unnecessarily get rewarded. Perhaps at the end of the year after a healthy person who takes care of themselves and needs no medical attention get some of the money that they spent for healthcare insurance back and placed into a retirement account. Positive incentives are awesome!

NLXSK1 said:

Well, I propose a 2 edge sword. On the one side, everyone would be responsible for their medical costs. So nobody gets a free ride to the hospital.

Here is how it would work. If you went to the emergency room they would take care of you, no questions asked. However, you would owe the bill. If you couldnt pay the bill then a portion of your paycheck would be taken to cover the costs. If you had no income then you would still be taken care of.

That way we are paying for all the healthcare for the people who cannot afford it but not socializing a portion of our country in the name of equal healthcare.

We always had universal healthcare, that was a lie told to us by the Democrats.

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We had the system you describe. It was the coverage before the ACA. People who didn't have the means waited until a problem became a crisis and the ER had to accept them. ER costs were spread out in bills to everybody else, mostly insurance providers who then raised their premiums at rates way above inflation.

This isn't about compassion, it's about providing good medical care at costs on par with other developed nations. We pay a lot more with worse outcomes than any comparable industrialized nation. ER is the most expensive place to receive medical treatment. One goal of the ACA was to reduce overall healthcare costs. It did this by making maintenance care and out patient coverage available to people who would otherwise end up in ER without the means to pay.

I don't know what Trump plans but there are 20 million people who did not have coverage before ACA that now have it. If we go back to the way it was before the ACA, hospital costs will just go up and medical care will not be as good as it can be.

Fogdog said:

We had the system you describe. It was the coverage before the ACA. People who didn't have the means waited until a problem became a crisis and the ER had to accept them. ER costs were spread out in bills to everybody else, mostly insurance providers who then raised their premiums at rates way above inflation.

This isn't about compassion, it's about providing good medical care at costs on par with other developed nations. We pay a lot more with worse outcomes than any comparable industrialized nation. ER is the most expensive place to receive medical treatment. One goal of the ACA was to reduce overall healthcare costs. It did this by making maintenance care and out patient coverage available to people who would otherwise end up in ER without the means to pay.

I don't know what Trump plans but there are 20 million people who did not have coverage before ACA that now have it. If we go back to the way it was before the ACA, hospital costs will just go up and medical care will not be as good as it can be.

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And people in Arizona have monthly premium payments that exceed their mortgages but fuck them right? Next year premium increases will be a minimum of 50% and over 75% for Maricopa county but fuck all those people because 20 million more people got a free ride... WHEE!!!

Obamacare was designed to fail and in doing so cause so much pain and suffering that a single payer system was the only option. I have been explaining this for 10 years now and here we are.

You dont have a right for me to pay for your healthcare.

I say get out there on the streets and protest blame obama care on trump lol

Here take 5 percent of us military spending away add 2 percent on your personal tax and 6 percent of corporate tax

how much would that be ??? probably enough to cover every person in USA for free health care

dandyrandy said:

I'm talking about people with a mil of cash. Not net worth. A mil is nothing today.

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Take a million dollars. Subtract 500,000 from it. How much is left? Losing that money is called "risk". If you can absorb that kind of risk and live with half your savings, then insurance isn't worth it.

On the other hand, a couple, working or not, each age 62, not yet in Medicare, almost certainly can't afford that risk to their retirement savings. For them the risk to their retirement savings is small but can be eliminated by health care coverage. How much per year are we talking about for a couple? 6 or 8 k per year? Some years this kind of coverage isn't used up, other years more than that is consumed. If the couple has a million in the bank, they can afford to hedge the risk of a catastrophic health care cost by purchasing insurance.

In any case, this is hypothetical for the vast majority of people. The average savings in this country is tiny. They either must pay for healthcare coverage or risk bankruptcy, in which case the hospital has to spread the unpaid balance among it's other patients. Before the ACA, bankruptcy due to medical costs was a huge cause, even for insured people.

When someone wins the popular vote and loses the "electoral vote" there is definitely a reason to protest.

The people didn't choose this President.

Justintime104 said:

most of the worst protests are coming from states that didnt matter in this election,i think they are just butthurt in cali and philly because they never mattered this year.trump ignored the places like this where he knew he would lose and focused on swing states.

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Nice sock puppet account Justin_ new member and right into politics section enjoy your short stay

SneekyNinja said:

When someone wins the popular vote and loses the "electoral vote" there is definitely a reason to protest.

The people didn't choose this President.

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popular vote means nothing dude guess what Buck was popular and guess what he lost his bet lol and has gone MIA

NLXSK1 said:

And people in Arizona have monthly premium payments that exceed their mortgages but fuck them right? Next year premium increases will be a minimum of 50% and over 75% for Maricopa county but fuck all those people because 20 million more people got a free ride... WHEE!!!

Obamacare was designed to fail and in doing so cause so much pain and suffering that a single payer system was the only option. I have been explaining this for 10 years now and here we are.

You dont have a right for me to pay for your healthcare.

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What you described -- letting hospitals defray ER costs on other patients -- is what we had before the ACA. It was already part of your health care costs if you used anybody associated with the medical care system. So, I don't know what you are talking about. You want hospitals in your area, don't you? If so, then somehow those indigent ER patients that the hospital treats had to be paid for.

Setting the ACA aside, outcomes are better and costs are lower when people have access to outpatient or health maintenance care. If you want lower costs then this is the path to achieving it. I don't care if it is the ACA, I'd prefer universal health care coverage for everybody.

Obamacare was not fully funded by Congress according to the original legislation. And so, in order to meet the obligations that were also part of the legislation, the money had to come from somewhere. If you don't like the premium increase, blame Congress. And, nobody insists you participate in an ACA plan. You can shop around for something outside of it. I don't think you will be pleased.