Any Canadians find a way into the legal market?

2$ a gram. hot damn no wonder LED tech is on the rise

2klude said:

Those prices sound extremely high to me. Any "free market" grower would happily sell there AAA buds for $2.00 per gram this year. Pounds of nice looking AAA are going for 8-900, I've seen bigger packs for even less. Market in BC has been flooded since April. I haven't heard of anything selling for more than $1200 in almost a year. Even @ $1200 that's like $2.60 per gram. $4.00 per gram is like pre 2010 prices.

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Wow, thanks for the insight - so basically Delta9 is just lying to me lol I shouldn’t be surprised at all.
These are acmpr sell prices? Or BM bulk pricing?

lakesidegrower said:

Wow, thanks for the insight - so basically Delta9 is just lying to me lol I shouldn’t be surprised at all.
These are acmpr sell prices? Or BM bulk pricing?

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I could be wrong, someone please correct me if I am, but from what I know, the only sale allowed with acmpr is if someone designates you as their grower for medical. You can sell the finished product to them, and you can only do it for 1 person. Not sure if it needs to be tested or not, I don't think it does. Again I could be wrong. But for the 4 recreational plants, I don't think there's any issue in gifting up to 30 grams at a time to people you know. Or gifting 4 plants or 30 seeds to them so they can grow. Because they don't allow recreational grow where you are I'm not sure how that would go, if the person were medical too I don't see it being a problem, but then what's the point I guess

I don't know what kind of prices would be charged for someone growing it out for them, depends on different factors. All I know is if I'm growing top quality, organic craft cannabis, I wouldn't be taking no 2$ a gram thats crazy. I just give it away, to the people with actual medical need for it, and that's what brings me the best feeling.

In the end it doesn't matter if the gov and the Lp's offered me free cannabis, I still wouldn't take it. Rather just grow my own and encourage everyone else to grow with me.

Give someone weed, it's gone by the next day. Give someone seeds, they're set for life.

I am pretty sure they are going to reduce the plant count for medical but not the ridiculously low plant count for personal. From what I was reading the number of plants being prescribed through these for sale scrip places has gone up around 500% in recent years. It has become ridiculous with doctors just writing scrips for huge numbers of plants. They have made a quick buck but also a joke out of the whole idea of medial home growing when they prescribe such high plant counts, it was bound to catch some attention. I personally would love to see the personal plant count rise to a more reasonable level and don't care if they cut back medical to a reasonable level as well. Not to the point where patients can't take care of themselves but to a reasonable level.

BeastLebanese said:

I could be wrong, someone please correct me if I am, but from what I know, the only sale allowed with acmpr is if someone designates you as their grower for medical. You can sell the finished product to them, and you can only do it for 1 person.

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You are correct! I thought I'd found a loophole then was dejected after doing some research.

BeastLebanese said:

But for the 4 recreational plants, I don't think there's any issue in gifting up to 30 grams at a time to people you know. Or gifting 4 plants or 30 seeds to them so they can grow. Because they don't allow recreational grow where you are I'm not sure how that would go, if the person were medical too I don't see it being a problem, but then what's the point I guess

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I look at it lie gifting bottles of homemade wine or beer - the gift is legal but if you sell it for a dollar you're breaking the law.

BeastLebanese said:

I don't know what kind of prices would be charged for someone growing it out for them, depends on different factors. All I know is if I'm growing top quality, organic craft cannabis, I wouldn't be taking no 2$ a gram thats crazy.

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I'd burn my weed before selling it for $2 a gram.

I definitely agree that the insane prescribed plant numbers under acmpr and you make a really good point about it making joke out of the program. I can’t see how 1 person could ever need 100s of plants for 1-2 people, whoever determined those numbers didn’t know what they were doing.

I also love gifting what I’ve grown, it’s really gratifying.

I also think it’s dumb that I need a script to grow a few plants, but it’s one of those ‘tell me your rules, I’ll pay your game’ things.

I think the way the compassionate grower system works under acmpr is for the other person to have a script they send to HC asking for a specific person to be their designated grower. But I’m not clear on whether there can be a ‘financial consideration’ exchanged. Also kinda would rather not be tied to someone else in writing with health Canada lol

lakesidegrower said:

Wow, thanks for the insight - so basically Delta9 is just lying to me lol I shouldn’t be surprised at all.
These are acmpr sell prices? Or BM bulk pricing?

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Those prices quoted are for BM. Same stuff going for 900 now was going for 12-1500 last year. I'm sure there are many reasons combined why this year the price dropped so hard. I do think it will get back to normal... always does, but moving averages have been trending lower and lower every year. All the dispensaries in BC, probably over 100, are now all online as MOMS. Some of the bigger outfits have dropped their prices significantly this year. Last year anything fire was 200+ a zip online BM but now its about 150ish. Still charging 2-3times what their buying it for.

I'm not sure if Delta9 are lying to you... I have no clue what LP's pay for their products purchased from Micros. I know for a fact Micros are charging higher than BM market. I know of a few Micros, don't know the details, but apparently theres an annual 25k fee to join their "collective". If your product is good enough they will buy it from you and I assume are reselling it to LP's. I'm probably saying to much but I'm hearing 12-1600, which is considerable higher than BM but that 25k annual fee is a lot. You've got to be growing a ton of bud to absorb that "membership fee". So pretty much corruption or illegal activities on all levels... LP, Mirco or BM.

Just an fyi regarding plant counts. Health Canada has no say or authority over how many plants or grams per day your Dr. has 'prescribed' Remember people, an ACMPR license is a medical document. HC did come up with 1g/day = 5 plants so they could try and change that but they (HC) have lost every challenge in court. I would guess they would sooner end the whole program than try alter it....

Oh and IMO, if you really wanna support the 'legal' market we need to not support any LP. The Empire must die before there will be a real free market....lol

Do not buy legal weed...period

redi jedi said:

Oh and IMO, if you really wanna support the 'legal' market we need to not support any LP. The Empire must die before there will be a real free market....lol

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100%... There is so much to be learned from the mistakes of our neighbors down south. Instead of learning from those mistakes our government creates laws that put the profits into big corporations backed by big institutional money. They pushed out the culture and the people who have created the market in Canada for generations.

We need a farm to table, seed to sale system in Canada. Something that is fair and a system that allows everyone to carve their own market share. This won't happen though. Our federal government wants a big market share with their "Cannabis Stores" and need to get the LP's profitable.

Hobbes said:

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How much does a 30 ml bottle of coconut oil retail for around your place?

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I produce a full spectrum MCT oil at $1/ml formulated to 24mg CBD/ml using lab tested Dinamed CBD plus buds. So $30 for 30ml. Tastes yucky but works - where the isolate for many doesn't. Treating Parkinson's, insomnia, arthritis, anxiety and gut function disorders. Many free samples are provided.

2klude said:

100%... There is so much to be learned from the mistakes of our neighbors down south. Instead of learning from those mistakes our government creates laws that put the profits into big corporations backed by big institutional money. They pushed out the culture and the people who have created the market in Canada for generations.

We need a farm to table, seed to sale system in Canada. Something that is fair and a system that allows everyone to carve their own market share. This won't happen though. Our federal government wants a big market share with their "Cannabis Stores" and need to get the LP's profitable.

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I couldn’t have put it any better. As far as I saw it, the black market used to be sectioned into a ‘criminal’ element but then there was what I would still consider a grey market of people who grew because they liked it and a friend or two sold it. It seems like the medical sector was the first to start screwing with that
and now we have a government-backed corporate monopoly trying to wrestle away all the control.... man I miss the 90s lol the counter culture element has really been lost over the years, man

I think there was/is a group in BC that was forming a co-op to bring their product to market as an LP, not sure how that works with the Act as it exists tho. Didn’t know about a buy-in, I would hope it’s to cover real fees associated with it, but definitely tough to be profitable, unless they got a fair price. I support those guys tho if that’s what’s happening, it’s that type of action that will hopefully pave a better way for the independent grower.

To enter into a what Delta9 calls a ‘Strategic Partnership Agreement’ you have to pony up $67,000. They then help you get set up with HC by completing the application process, and provide ongoing assistance with your operation, access to supply chain pricing on consumables, and I would imagine also a clause that says they get first pick at your bud. I have the document that they sent to me, haven’t even looked it over yet, after I’ve done more research those guys can go fuck themselves.

It truly is maddening what's happened to the culture. The exact person that treated cannabis like heroin (Mulroney) is now making $14 million for being on the board of directors at Acreage Holdings.


Also these guys, although they've now left - Aleafia director Raf Souccar former RCMP Deputy Commissioner of Federal and International policing. Aleafia chairman of the board Julian Fantino, the former Ontario Provincial Police Commissioner and Minister of Veterans Affairs, National Defence and International Cooperation.

I'm hopeful that changes will favour the craft grower in the future but it's disobedience till then.

Ozumoz66 said:

It truly is maddening what's happened to the culture. The exact person that treated cannabis like heroin (Mulroney) is now making $14 million for being on the board of directors at Acreage Holdings.

The cannabis industry continues to shell out big bucks for those at the top, including $14 million to this former Canadian PM

www-thegrowthop-com.cdn.ampproject.org

Also these guys, although they've now left - Aleafia director Raf Souccar former RCMP Deputy Commissioner of Federal and International policing. Aleafia chairman of the board Julian Fantino, the former Ontario Provincial Police Commissioner and Minister of Veterans Affairs, National Defence and International Cooperation.

I'm hopeful that changes will favour the craft grower in the future but it's disobedience till then.

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Hells yes

lakesidegrower said:

I wonder the same thing - if there’s some mechanism for HC to check on acmpr registered peeps for plant count and location. My guess it they would be more focused on higher plant count acmpr holders. My only concern would be that I’d like to do a mix of indoor and outdoor (autos outside, photos inside) but you need to choose either Indoor, Outdoor, or Indoor/Outdoor. But they state on the form that they plants then need to be either fully inside or fully outside at any given point (no idea why) so you can bring your plant out or take them in but not split em up, kind weird.

the federal rec plant limit is 4 and don’t think I’ve heard of that changing. Provinces can further restrict (which they do in my province). I think the other poster was referring to looking closer at the larger plant number scripts under acmpr.
I’ll be getting my script this week and will be submitting to register under acmpr. The more I thought about it, the fee isn’t bad for the 5g script ($150), because it’s a full page that the doc needs to fill out and most docs will charge for that anyways lol

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the SAM2 database has all the licenses and plant counts, for each address.

The only way to get into it without a huge overhead is going for the micro outdoor. That couple @ Sea dog farms proved you can apply and setup an outdoor space for under $20k or whatever it cost them in fees. Hopefully you own your land already though...

I joined that big Micro license group on FB. Good to see people are banding together to support one another, but idk... I'm having a hard time understanding why people are trying to jump through the hoops with things the way they are. It's like the kid who wants a new car and doesn't care that the interest rate is at 30%. They want it and they are going to get it regardless of what anyone says. There is a pile of guys that have spent the cash and time yet are sitting there with product not moving. Its either that or bow to the LP's and hope they take your gear for a fraction of what it should fetch. The system is flawed and seems to pad every pocket other than yours, yet people are still jumping on board...

I also got a kick outta the guys on there with a tent full of dogshit genetics thinking they are going to setup a cloning facility. They got a company name and logo so the rest is minor details right?

Its not rocket surgery. If you got the land and cash, do a good build that will pass inspection in the future and keep riding under your acmpr until the craft market opens up. I'd rather ride dirty and pay the bills, than jump through hoops to starve.

just my opinion anyways.

BeastLebanese said:

I could be wrong, someone please correct me if I am, but from what I know, the only sale allowed with acmpr is if someone designates you as their grower for medical. You can sell the finished product to them, and you can only do it for 1 person. Not sure if it needs to be tested or not, I don't think it does. Again I could be wrong. But for the 4 recreational plants, I don't think there's any issue in gifting up to 30 grams at a time to people you know. Or gifting 4 plants or 30 seeds to them so they can grow. Because they don't allow recreational grow where you are I'm not sure how that would go, if the person were medical too I don't see it being a problem, but then what's the point I guess

I don't know what kind of prices would be charged for someone growing it out for them, depends on different factors. All I know is if I'm growing top quality, organic craft cannabis, I wouldn't be taking no 2$ a gram thats crazy. I just give it away, to the people with actual medical need for it, and that's what brings me the best feeling.

In the end it doesn't matter if the gov and the Lp's offered me free cannabis, I still wouldn't take it. Rather just grow my own and encourage everyone else to grow with me.

Give someone weed, it's gone by the next day. Give someone seeds, they're set for life.

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Someone had told me that when your growing as a DG you can't charge by weight. Apparently you had to agree to a contract for a monthly fee. Whatever you got from that patients plants (regardless of yield) was to all go to them. Basically you get paid for your time and reimbursed for your power, water, nutes etc. No profit. The government probably wanted it this way because they had no way of charging tax on it and they knew it. I guess it helps them sleep at night knowing they are getting taken advantage of lol.

Idk if this is true or has changed, but that's what I was told anyways. Unless you had a few well-off patients with deep pockets to value your "time" accordingly, the appeal to it was being able to have a higher plant count. Made sense back when scripts were thousands of dollars. Nowadays with script costs who cares.