GanjaGod420000
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On 2nd thought, no need for any lube... LOL!
Are there ANY Christians on RIU?
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abandonconflict
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Nothing is unknowable. We just have not learned it yet.
Enter the realm of discovery. In order to do so, you must free yourself from preconceived notions and foregone conclusions.
Do not say, "Here are the conclusions. Find facts to support them."
But say, "Here are the facts. What conclusions can we draw from them?"
Now I will reference the poetry of a beautifully written epic from centuries ago. It was written to guide people and in it's time, I believe that it was a good thing, and the text still has much value.
Romans, chapter 12, verse 2, King James Bible:
"And be not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."
Go discover, arrive at conclusions, do not make them.
cannabineer
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My snake has never squeaked or bound. Maybe it's self-lubing. cn
InfidelUniversity
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oh yea baby
[video=youtube;HpfrEvWR64c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpfrEvWR64c[/video]
Nitegazer
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I'm not talking about 'We' or humans throughout history. I am referring to you. There are many things that are unknowable for you, utterly beyond your reach. The same is true for me.
abandonconflict
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Don't mistake the hate of others as emanating from me. I want to believe.
tyler.durden
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Thanks, Neer. I cannot relate because, although I've had many fantastic, ethereal experiences (including dropping a LOT of acid and shrooms) I've never had trouble putting them into language that anyone could understand. Eye doesn't seem to have any trouble relaying his ideas with language, it seems the trouble comes in when trying to back them up. if some ideas/perceptions are freed from proof or disproof because they cannot be reduced to language, it seems strange to try to share them on a forum that relies on the written word...
Nitegazer
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I don't mistake that. I responded to your post specifically because I read sincerity. I also respect your approach.
When I was in college, I was approached by a born again fellow. He tried to convince me that he could see devils and demons (real ones) in Dungeons and Dragons books. He told me I could see them too if I sincerely prayed with him for deliverance. I knelt down with him and prayed-- never did see demons, and the guy never showed up again.
cannabineer
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Tyler, i wish i knew how to respond to this. I am amazed that you have not had experiences mediated by acid or shrooms that you can't put into words. I had an opposite experience, which for one as verbal as I seemed like a warning: words are not the territory.
What our comparative experiences seem to underline is that individual humans have rather diverse experiences to similar stimuli. This makes me even less confident that a true science of the mind is even on the horizon, to say nothing of it being within our grasp. I feel apologetic for being constrained to plead such profound ignorance. cn
abandonconflict
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Psychedelic experiences are what you make them. That offers no evidence of anything, no matter how you cut it, faith is required. Faith is nothing more than preconceived notion. You cannot discover if you already know.
Nitegazer
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Faith is more like a longing-- a mixture of hope, dread and perseverance. People wouldn't fight so much over a 'notion'.
ThE sAtIvA hIgH
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i have faith that goblins exist .
i have faith the tooth fairy exists .
i have faith bigfoot is living in my wardrobe but hes invisible but if you have faith you will know hes in there .
i have faith the tooth fairy exists .
i have faith bigfoot is living in my wardrobe but hes invisible but if you have faith you will know hes in there .
abandonconflict
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In context sure. Religious faith manifests as that mixture. No need to argue semantics though. I say live and let live, but the first post in this thread was actually very promising, I seemed to have a "Christian" ally, he turned out to be as hateful as he accuses others of being. Not very Christ like.
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cannabineer
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Can being "pretty sure" of something not be counted as an instance of faith? cn
abandonconflict
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cannabineer
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eye exaggerate
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...you're fortunate to be able to describe them. I'm guessing it also comes out as violin playing? I can't put most of it into words because it is an extremely personal thing. Also because the story itself is pretty crazy and not something to be playing with on a forum. I like to give bits and pieces so that people can go on their own and piece their own puzzle together. One thing I can say is that this has a lot to do with a person's sexual energies and how they use them. Also, mine does come out as art so even more incomprehensible considering I lean toward the abstract. Oy
What would be one thing I could answer...?
abandonconflict
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lmao good one.
cannabineer
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...you're fortunate to be able to describe them. I'm guessing it also comes out as violin playing? I can't put most of it into words because it is an extremely personal thing. Also because the story itself is pretty crazy and not something to be playing with on a forum. I like to give bits and pieces so that people can go on their own and piece their own puzzle together. One thing I can say is that this has a lot to do with a person's sexual energies and how they use them. Also, mine does come out as art so even more incomprehensible considering I lean toward the abstract. Oy
What would be one thing I could answer...?
Since my sexual energies have ebbed ... could I "go alternative"? But not wind energy ... too verbose. cn
RawBudzski
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Amen to that.
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