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Uncle Ben

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Damn..I was a away for a few days and I come back to all these posts. U all are killn me!! But thanks for all of the replies. I am on my first grow so I can't say who is right or wrong.
No offense my friend, but you could if you stuck your head into a book on plant culture, especially nutrition. Empower yourself which surely won't happen if you listen to 90% of the stuff you read here. Do you even know what the NPK and micro values and ratios you've been giving your plants, or you pouring something out of 4 high priced bottles of snake oil hoping it works because someone else uses it at RIU?

Good luck,
UB
 

Uncle Ben

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The enemies of THC is heat, air, and light.....talking storage here. Having said that take a fresh nugget and dry it in the sun. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
 

WayBaked

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No offense my friend, but you could if you stuck your head into a book on plant culture, especially nutrition. Empower yourself which surely won't happen if you listen to 90% of the stuff you read here. Do you even know what the NPK and micro values and ratios you've been giving your plants, or you pouring something out of 4 high priced bottles of snake oil hoping it works because someone else uses it at RIU?

Good luck,
UB
It's his first grow. As long as he's using the recommend amount of nutes in the recommended amount of time with the recommended amount of water at the recommended pH (I think you see where this is going)...

...then it doesn't matter if he doesn't get the OPTIMAL grow, he will still get a great grow. The knowledge for an optimal grow will come with time and experience, no matter how much you read. That being said, it would still be of great value him to educate himself on the topic if he feels so inclined to optimize his harvest, but honestly it's not even remotely necessary to get great results consistently. The recommended values are recommended for a reason.

Some people just don't care to learn a lot about cannabis, they just want to save themselves some money with little effort, and that can be done easily by simply following the directions on expensive bottles that come highly recommended.

It's only us connoisseurs who want the best quality that need to brush up on our botany.
 

Uncle Ben

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I checked Sensi Seeds site out and they 45-50 days. I'm on 56.I figure I have to give or take a few days on what they say. No info on how to feed though. Thanks for the reply.
This says it all.

BTW, don't believe the seedbank ads. If they thought they could get away with it they'd have you believing you could harvest their new super duper mutt after 4 weeks of flowering.
 

Uncle Ben

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It's his first grow. As long as he's using the recommend amount of nutes in the recommended amount of time with the recommended amount of water at the recommended pH (I think you see where this is going)...
I can give some recommended nutes - a 1-1-1 from start to finish. There, that might tone down the confusion a bit and give him much better results. If you want to tweak it a bit, use the common tropical-sub-tropical food ratio of 3-1-2 from start to finish.

Folks, it's fuckin' weed, nothing more than a tropical foliage plant that flowers, like all foliage plants do. If you would study what drives another tropical plant - the common tomato, and apply tomato culture to growing cannabis, you'd be very successful. It's just that simple. Why you folks have to make this as complicated and confusing as possible is beyond me.

Some people just don't care to learn a lot about cannabis, they just want to save themselves some money with little effort, and that can be done easily by simply following the directions on expensive bottles that come highly recommended.
I have seen more gardens look like crap because of this common cannabis forum philosophy. You want to do botany without delving into botany? A plant is not a child's swingset, you can't grow it properly by following some label directions, schedules, or chart regarding how to put it together. You have to learn what makes a plant tick and learn to read your plants.

You want to save yourself some money? STOP buying from the hydro store shysters.

UB
 

WayBaked

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I can give some recommended nutes - a 1-1-1 from start to finish. There, that might tone down the confusion a bit and give him much better results. If you want to tweak it a bit, use the common tropical-sub-tropical food ratio of 3-1-2 from start to finish.

Folks, it's fuckin' weed, nothing more than a tropical foliage plant that flowers, like all foliage plants do. If you would study what drives another tropical plant - the common tomato, and apply tomato culture to growing cannabis, you'd be very successful. It's just that simple. Why you folks have to make this as complicated and confusing as possible is beyond me.



I have seen more gardens look like crap because of this common cannabis forum philosophy. You want to do botany without delving into botany? A plant is not a child's swingset, you can't grow it properly by following some label directions, schedules, or chart regarding how to put it together. You have to learn what makes a plant tick and learn to read your plants.

You want to save yourself some money? STOP buying from the hydro store shysters.

UB
Yes, it is actually very common for people to want to do botany without researching and studying botany first. In fact, it's far more common than the reciprocal.

Growing near-perfect cannabis takes knowledge, experience, and infrastructure, but growing medical-grade/"high-quality" cannabis is in fact very easy. I've seen it done dozens of times by people who had no clue what they were doing other than pouring X mL of green liquid into their watering can.


And for what it's worth, people have been studying Cannabis for a very long time. While tomatoes are a very close cousin, it is much better to apply Cannabis botany than Tomato botany.
 

hsfkush

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It's his first grow. As long as he's using the recommend amount of nutes in the recommended amount of time with the recommended amount of water at the recommended pH (I think you see where this is going)...

...then it doesn't matter if he doesn't get the OPTIMAL grow, he will still get a great grow. The knowledge for an optimal grow will come with time and experience, no matter how much you read. That being said, it would still be of great value him to educate himself on the topic if he feels so inclined to optimize his harvest, but honestly it's not even remotely necessary to get great results consistently. The recommended values are recommended for a reason.

Some people just don't care to learn a lot about cannabis, they just want to save themselves some money with little effort, and that can be done easily by simply following the directions on expensive bottles that come highly recommended.

It's only us connoisseurs who want the best quality that need to brush up on our botany.
And money ^_^
 

Uncle Ben

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And for what it's worth, people have been studying Cannabis for a very long time. While tomatoes are a very close cousin, it is much better to apply Cannabis botany than Tomato botany.
What's the difference?

I can see a farmer with 50 acres of tomatoes following some chart and/or feeding schedule.

UB
 
1-1-1 your saying that you can use a veg fertalizer all the way through from begining to end?

I'd have to say, that, what you can use as a fert in soil, would have a direct relationship, on what your soil is composed of.
 

WayBaked

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1-1-1 your saying that you can use a veg fertalizer all the way through from begining to end?

I'd have to say, that, what you can use as a fert in soil, would have a direct relationship, on what your soil is composed of.

Pretty much 100% truth. Could go from start to finish with just pH-balanced water if you have a proper organic soil mix.
 

NietzscheKeen

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People do make growing cannabis into a very complicated endeavor. After reading numerous posts, magazine articles and watching youtube videos, I got the impression that marijuana was a very discontented, captious and fastidious plant. Also a very supple plant in that there are magic potions that will make your plant grow to be a monster with indestructible leaves, make it turn pink, and grow peppermint flavored buds.

I've grown up on a farm and have been gardening most of my life. After following the more authoritative sounding advice on RIU, I've found that what is often recommended is not always the best. I'm still a newb to cannabis, so I hope the more experienced folks will correct any incorrect statements that I make. I wish someone had told me the following in the beginning BEFORE I'd started growing and buying all that crap from the hydrostore.

1. Simple is best- In my experience, you don't need tons of products. Often you don't really need any fertilizer if growing in the ground especially not if you are buying a decent soil from the store. Adding a little more doesn't hurt usually and a soil test is never a bad idea. In my experience, a balanced fertilizer or one formulated especially for the crop you are growing works best. One that I've found that works great for MJ in soil is Happy Frog Tomato and Veggie; there are plenty of others that work just as good and possibly better. Don't make the mistake of thinking that a high NPK rating is better than a lower. I've killed off so many plants because I bought a triple 17 when a triple 8 would have been much better suited for my purposes. Jack's Classic seems to be a popular fertilizer among people I trust. I guess my point is, why buy 15 different products for 15 different benefits when you can get them all in just 3 or 4 (some would say 3 or 4 is still too many). Just incase someone is wondering and in order to run it by those more experienced... the products I use regularly are: Dyna-Gro Grow, Fish emulsion (during veg for extra N), BioWeed, Liquid Karma (Humic Acid) and will use Microbe Brew in my compost tea. In the soil I add worm castings and Happy Frog Tomato and Veggie.

2. Plants are living things too- All you have to do is give them what they need and want and they will do the rest. There is a big difference between indoor and outdoor growing when it comes to light. I'm not an indoor grower, so my indoor related information may be a bit off. Indoor growers need to get as much light to as much of the plant as possible. This involves super bright lights coming from several different angles. When growing outdoors, you have a great source of light that moves throughout the day. This means the light will reach most of the plant throughout the day. If there are a few leaves that don't have light shining directly on them... it's okay! Calm the f down. Just because the leaf isn't glowing bright in the sun, doesn't mean it's not getting sunlight. To be honest, most plants do not like to be in the blazing hot 30.4066 latitude noon summer sun. The plants I have growing under the shade of trees seem to do much better than those planted out in the open. There is a different between filtered sunlight and hard shade.

I don't know the magic numbers, but cannabis growth slows when the temps are too low perhaps 50F and below. Cooler temps do not harm MJ plants, so don't worry. I've had mine survive a frost unprotected, they are hardy little plants for being as tropical as they are said to be. The temps here are already in the high 80's low 90's and the growth has slowed significantly on my plants.

Plants do like water, but how much they need depends mostly on the temperature of the plant and soil. Where I live, I can get away with watering everyday, but in some areas it is not necessary. Cannabis can survive quite a while with no water. A plant of mine had been dug up by a coyote (is my guess) and it sat out, roots exposed for a couple of days; dried completely out, leaves and stems were soft and wilted. I buried it back and gave it some water. After a couple of days it was happy again. On the other hand, too much watering should also be avoided. This is nothing new and one can find many threads on overwatering, so I will leave it.

3. Just leave them alone- Don't defoliate. Even in low light, leaves produce more good stuff than they use up. It wasn't until I started reading cannabis forums etc that I EVER heard anyone suggesting the removal of healthy leaves. If they are dried up, yellow, soft and brown, then go ahead. More often than not, if they should come off, they will come off easily. Try it and see, if you have a dried yellow looking fan leaf, just tap the stem and see if it doesn't fall right off of the plant. Normally, the only time I remove leaves is if they are touching and the area is staying moist. I will first just try to separate them somehow, but if I can't then I will remove one to avoid fungus and disease.

I don't do much training, so I won't comment much. I have done some LST on a few plants, but as a newb I find they do better when left as they are. No training also reduces the risk of damaging the plant. If you've tried a technique and it works for you... GOOD! More power to you, but I suggest that the new growers spend time learning how the plants grow naturally before you start wiring them and pruning them etc.

4. Be patient- Stop comparing your plants to those of other growers. Sure it will sometimes give you an idea of what they should look like, but it will often discourage you or make you want to up the ferts or something else equally as drastic. When I first started, I would have plants a month old that would look like plants so and so was growing that were only two weeks old. I knew I had to be terrible a growing. Like I mentioned before, when growing in soil fertilizers often aren't that important and plants do well in filtered sunlight. I believe temperature plays a greater role in cannabis growth than most people realize. It wasn't until the soil temp warmed that I realized the reason for the slow growth.

I also don't understand the "hurry up and bloom" state of mind. I know many people do it for the profit, but when you're new... you should be learning the plant before pushing it to the limits. Sit back, watch and learn the different stages of flower. Watch how the plants and buds grow. See how long it takes when left alone. Everything develops at it's own pace. Wait till later to buy the ripeners, sweeteners, bulkers, etc. I don't use those products, imo using them is just asking for trouble or a waste of money at least. I do know that many people swear by them, so maybe there is something to it... idk.

Good luck. I hope this helps those that are newbier than myself and please if I'm wrong about any of this... please correct me. I don't want to pass on bad information.
 

NietzscheKeen

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I can see a farmer with 50 acres of tomatoes following some chart and/or feeding schedule.
The only charts professionals bother with are application rates.

Other than that, they will have Ag journal articles which give them the lastest information on their specific crops, pests, fungus, etc. You can get free information from any of these universities. I doubt they have many articles on cannabis, but some of the information can be applied to it I'm sure. Hops is a relative to cannabis and it is rumored that strawberries and tomatoes are very similar to cannabis, so the any information about these plants will probably be true for cannabis as well.
 

Kite High

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The only charts professionals bother with are application rates.

Other than that, they will have Ag journal articles which give them the lastest information on their specific crops, pests, fungus, etc. You can get free information from any of these universities. I doubt they have many articles on cannabis, but some of the information can be applied to it I'm sure. Hops is a relative to cannabis and it is rumored that strawberries and tomatoes are very similar to cannabis, so the any information about these plants will probably be true for cannabis as well.
Dude UB is a horticulturist...lol...he's growing avocado trees in GREENWAREHOUSES and consults to the grape vineyards for wineries to advise them!!! He knows all about soil testing and feed rates bro and most of his reading is University research...don't let him fool you...lol

He also forgot more about growing cannabis than 99% of these fools around here will ever know... nothing he recommends here will do anything but boost your grow
 

Kite High

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1-1-1 your saying that you can use a veg fertalizer all the way through from begining to end?

I'd have to say, that, what you can use as a fert in soil, would have a direct relationship, on what your soil is composed of.
Dynagro Foliage Pro is what I use from sprout to chop 3-1-2
promix hp amended with dolomite lime azomite and diatomaceous earth and 40% perilite
 

NietzscheKeen

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Dude UB is a horticulturist...lol...he's growing avocado trees in GREENWAREHOUSES and consults to the grape vineyards for wineries to advise them!!! He knows all about soil testing and feed rates bro and most of his reading is University research...don't let him fool you...lol

He also forgot more about growing cannabis than 99% of these fools around here will ever know... nothing he recommends here will do anything but boost your grow
I was agreeing with him.... :-?
 

Uncle Ben

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1-1-1 your saying that you can use a veg fertalizer all the way through from begining to end?

I'd have to say, that, what you can use as a fert in soil, would have a direct relationship, on what your soil is composed of.
I have and regularly use a 18-4-9 from start to finish. It's what cannabis likes, in soil.
 

HeartlandHank

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As long as he's using the recommend amount of nutes in the recommended amount of time with the recommended amount of water at the recommended pH (I think you see where this is going)...
Man, you would think this would be true... but imo, it is not at all.
The reason being (I think) is because these cannabis specific nute companies are playing a whole different game than nutes marketed for the rest of the gardening world. Application rates are craaazy strong. They are basically telling you to feed as much as the plants can take without being killed before they are finished... Use more nutes, spend more cash, line these companies pockets...

Sometime try it out... Feed your plants 1/3 of the recommended dose... I bet your plants grow way better.

Have you ever seen the directions/label for a non cannabis specific nutrient? they don't give a scedule, because the idea is sort of ridiculous. They give you a general idea of application rate.

Seriously... Advanced Nutrient feeding schedule is about money, not healthy plants, heavy yields and potent buds. I assure you this is true.
 

NietzscheKeen

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Your grandfather is right, it is a silly practice and he probably thought you were retarded thinking a plant is like a car's radiator. Good that you got the skinny from someone who knows what he's talking about. Having said that if your able to ask your grandfather a question ask him if they ever practiced the late application of saltpeter, supposedly done to tobacco to enhance the burn. I assume that was an additive to the final smoking mix.

UB
Sorry, I'm just now replying to your question. I asked him and he said he had never heard of farmers adding it to their harvest, but maybe the tobacco companies do. He grew tobacco for chewing, not for smoking. I don't know if this matters. Sorry I couldn't get a better answer for you.

Are you tossing around the idea of enhancing the burn of cannabis with the addition of saltpeter? I assume it would have to be applied as a liquid solution then dried?
 

Uncle Ben

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Sorry, I'm just now replying to your question. I asked him and he said he had never heard of farmers adding it to their harvest, but maybe the tobacco companies do. He grew tobacco for chewing, not for smoking. I don't know if this matters. Sorry I couldn't get a better answer for you.

Are you tossing around the idea of enhancing the burn of cannabis with the addition of saltpeter? I assume it would have to be applied as a liquid solution then dried?
Thanks, was just curious. I've applied it late, like a couple of weeks prior to harvest just to see if there was anything to the story. Couldn't tell any difference.
 
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