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HighFlow

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Honestly that looks like mag def all over now. If they've been hardened off, your meters are good and , I'd say your problem there is mag def.

Now I can't tell you to drop your feeding schedule that someone has lovingly prepared for you, but I am a huge advocate of Lucas' formula. Whenever I had friends with problems with deficiencies in the past, I've switched them to Lucas and it's been fixed.

This is what I would do. Try this. Ditch your res. Make a fresh one with 1ml/l micro and 2ml/l bloom. (That's half strength) Don't add calmag. Don't use the grow part at all. Don't add the seaweed. Don't use the rapidstart. If you eliminate variables it's a lot easier to narrow down your problem. You should come in around 5.8 - 6.0 with that, depending on your base water. Don't adjust it if it's within that. If it's up at 6.3, it's fine, if it's below 5.8 bring it up; Mg is locked out with acidity.

If you run a Lucas formula res you really don't need to add anything to your res. I rarely if ever adjust pH, and I never add anything other than a touch of Mg mono in the early stages of flowering and a touch of PK towards the end. Tell a lie. I add an enzyme, but that is about keeping the res healthy not feeding.

Another thing you might try if you don't want to try Lucas (You definitely should) is dropping the florablend and the seaweed. Both of those are gonna be high in K which is most probably causing your Mg def. Just go back to the standard GHE feeding schedule (at half strength).

The more stuff you add to your res, the more stuff can go wrong and the less likely you are to understand precisely what it is.
 

Fultron

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Honestly that looks like mag def all over now. If they've been hardened off, your meters are good and , I'd say your problem there is mag def.

Now I can't tell you to drop your feeding schedule that someone has lovingly prepared for you, but I am a huge advocate of Lucas' formula. Whenever I had friends with problems with deficiencies in the past, I've switched them to Lucas and it's been fixed.

This is what I would do. Try this. Ditch your res. Make a fresh one with 1ml/l micro and 2ml/l bloom. (That's half strength) Don't add calmag. Don't use the grow part at all. Don't add the seaweed. Don't use the rapidstart. If you eliminate variables it's a lot easier to narrow down your problem. You should come in around 5.8 - 6.0 with that, depending on your base water. Don't adjust it if it's within that. If it's up at 6.3, it's fine, if it's below 5.8 bring it up; Mg is locked out with acidity.

If you run a Lucas formula res you really don't need to add anything to your res. I rarely if ever adjust pH, and I never add anything other than a touch of Mg mono in the early stages of flowering and a touch of PK towards the end. Tell a lie. I add an enzyme, but that is about keeping the res healthy not feeding.

Another thing you might try if you don't want to try Lucas (You definitely should) is dropping the florablend and the seaweed. Both of those are gonna be high in K which is most probably causing your Mg def. Just go back to the standard GHE feeding schedule (at half strength).

The more stuff you add to your res, the more stuff can go wrong and the less likely you are to understand precisely what it is.
So all you are running is micro and bloom? All the way through veg and flower. No cal at all ? Also not sure what GHE is? My rez always seems to climb pH have seen a pale of nutrients climb as high as 7.5 pH?
 

HighFlow

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GH is the nutes you have. General Hydroponics. Lucas formula uses only 2 parts of the 3 parts, there being enough of everything if you use a 2:1 bloom:micro all the way through, from seed to flower. It just makes everything really, really easy. It isn't perfect for every strain, and you may need to tweak the odd thing, like adding a little Mg early flower, or some Cal-Mag if they are fussy, or your tap water is particularly hard.

Like I said though, the main thing you need to do to fix those plants is get rid of the excess K which is causing your Mg lockout. You can do that by just getting rid of the seaweed and florablend.

Oh, I should add, with the Lucas formula.. you don't need to do res changes. All you do is top off. So, you end up saving a lot of money.
 
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myke

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Ive run lucas also,H3ad is also another one,I added epsom at 8 grams per 12 gallons because of my tap water which is high in Ca.
 

Fultron

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Ive run lucas also,H3ad is also another one,I added epsom at 8 grams per 12 gallons because of my tap water which is high in Ca.
I am sorry but u got to slow down on all the short talk I am still a very big Newby to this and the ferts I am using. We are using RO water at the moment but are going to be switching to a well water soon as RO gets costly. What is H3ad or epsom?
 

rkymtnman

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i bet the rockwool is causing the issues. probably dried out at some point and now is way too high a ppm in them.
 

HighFlow

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Then I am stumped, honestly. Which exact cal-mag are you using and are you adding it first? if you add it first, what does the PPM come in at before you add nutes?
 

HighFlow

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From those pics of your last one It's 100% calcium AND magnesium deficiency.. and if you are using RO and your pH is right, I literally have no clue as to why.. get a second pH meter.. Something is off, somewhere.
 

Fultron

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I using the GH. I do put cal mg in first but I never check the ph to see what it is doing. The one was not health the other one was really good.
 

rkymtnman

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i would take a bunch of RO and top feed thru the rockwool of each plant and let it drain.

then start back on lighter nutes. no additives. if you use the Lucas formula, even with Ro, you shouldn't need cal/mg
 

HighFlow

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This is what I would do. Flush them for a couple of feeds with RO water at 6.0. Note what happens to the res after the feed.. does the pH and ppm move a large amount.. then, start feeding them a simple Lucas formula without calmag. Ha. I just saw rkymtnman has beaten me to it.
 

rkymtnman

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This is what I would do. Flush them for a couple of feeds with RO water at 6.0. Note what happens to the res after the feed.. does the pH and ppm move a large amount.. then, start feeding them a simple Lucas formula without calmag. Ha. I just saw rkymtnman has beaten me to it.
and measure your runoff. i'd bet it's way higher than what he is putting in.
 

HighFlow

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Worth adding, if you are getting confused.. you have Calcium and Magnesium deficiency.. (in that last grow, looks like just Magnesium so far in this one) however, it may be the fact that you are using too much Calcium and Magnesium, that is giving you the deficiencies as you are actually locking them out.. ie, causing them to be un-usable by your plants.
 
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