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echlectica

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CrimsonN9NE said:
Hello all again. Sry if this is the wrong place to post this---- But i have a serious question and would be of great help to me. Well iv been looking for someone to talk too about my inpulse anger problem iv tryed therapists and anger management and other options and i get the same respons from em all pretty much telling me thay wont help me cuz im a cannabis user. i tell em i use it to help me slow down my thinking and to help me not act b4 i think when my anger goes off. and thay say well we cant help you and till u quit if i did do that then thay put me on pills that do more harm then good and even make it worse. i am in fear that if i cant find somebody to talk too that things may get out of hand im trying my ass offf to find help and there is none i live in Minnesota if any one can help. It would be a lot of help
sad to say i cant keep up on how much it costs to keep my self medicated. Thanks Every one for takeing the time to read this
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Try martial arts, and Zen. It worked for me.
 
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CrimsonN9NE

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Did Mma for 2 yrs cant afford it any more and i need plp to work out with to get me goin if that makes any since. and i bleave zen works but my damn head wont stay slowed down long enough to try and i fall asleep if i smoke and do that.
 
slowbus

slowbus

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its all part of growing up IMO.Keep working at it and it will come together for you.It isn't like you are the only one that wants to explode.Its really hard controlling that stuff.My advice is if you are going to hurt someone or any domestic violence (huge grey area)you will land in jail or prison.You will be living with the scum of the earth.These dudes are ruthless 24/7/365.Not just when they have a bad day.Anger is a real.It sucks.And don't be so afraid of ALL pills.A zanax might change your life.
 
AltarNation

AltarNation

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slowbus said:
its all part of growing up IMO.Keep working at it and it will come together for you.It isn't like you are the only one that wants to explode.Its really hard controlling that stuff.My advice is if you are going to hurt someone or any domestic violence (huge grey area)you will land in jail or prison.You will be living with the scum of the earth.These dudes are ruthless 24/7/365.Not just when they have a bad day.Anger is a real.It sucks.And don't be so afraid of ALL pills.A zanax might change your life.
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You had me til zanax... I don't advocate that stuff, but everything else you said is spot on.
 
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minnesmoker

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There are mental health (psychological) causes for anger. These are generally caused by outside issues (abuse as a child, dangerous and volatile environments,) or physical injury to the head (concussions caused by head trauma or concussive explosions in the vicinity.) There's also "rage syndrome" which falls into the "personality disorder" category, but can be brought about by the head injuries, also. If you have a trauma based or environmentally influenced "anger problem" than you'll benefit a great deal from therapy you can change that anger and have a more positive outlook. If it's a genetically predisposed personality disorder, therapy and patience will help you control it, but those angry impulses will always be there. Unless you want to walk a dark twisted road avoid letting that anger control you -- the first over-the-top violent outbreak will be one of your last moments as a functional "human." Those impulses will only get stronger, will become more imperatives than just thoughts. MMJ actually can have a profoundly positive affect on people who have severe personality disorders, helping to curb violent tendencies and allowing you to keep your dark place small and in tucked away, instead of letting it expand and consume you.

For counseling, stay AWAY from HSI, HCMC, and city/county funded mental health facilities. If you ever have problems, legally or with a divorce or custody, those records WILL reappear. So will the content of the conversations. If you're in the greater metro-area, there are a few free or sliding scale resources available. There are 3 run by churches that are not religiocentric. The Islamic center in the western suburbs also offers counseling and support groups. Even if you aren't a Muslim, it can help, they've seen trauma like very few in the civilized world can understand. If you have insurance, and can get a doc to sign off on anger issues, the healtheast system has quite a few good psychiatric specialists. There are also survivor groups in the area specifically targeted at helping sex crime victims, there are also a lot of anger management groups. You can call your local AA chapter and ask them for resources to help deal with mental health issues. Remember, a lot of drunks are that way because they self-medicate.

Although sanctioned contact MMA is expensive, there are a number of gyms in the twin cities area, and a few in Rochester and Duluth, that train fighting and welcome all. There are also a number of gyms (Snap, LA Fitness, 24 Hour Fitness, etc.) You can get Snap for about 24 a month, and a premium LA Fitness for around 25-35. There also used to be unsanctioned organized fights though. Just be careful with that. The people that fight there normally have been banned from MMA because they're too violent to fight MMA.

A serious question. What motivated you to want counseling? Was it outside influence, was it that you feel bad or guilty about hurting people, have you noticed it getting worse, and harder to control the little monster inside?
 
AltarNation

AltarNation

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minnesmoker said:
There are mental health (psychological) causes for anger. These are generally caused by outside issues (abuse as a child, dangerous and volatile environments,) or physical injury to the head (concussions caused by head trauma or concussive explosions in the vicinity.) There's also "rage syndrome" which falls into the "personality disorder" category, but can be brought about by the head injuries, also. If you have a trauma based or environmentally influenced "anger problem" than you'll benefit a great deal from therapy you can change that anger and have a more positive outlook. If it's a genetically predisposed personality disorder, therapy and patience will help you control it, but those angry impulses will always be there. Unless you want to walk a dark twisted road avoid letting that anger control you -- the first over-the-top violent outbreak will be one of your last moments as a functional "human." Those impulses will only get stronger, will become more imperatives than just thoughts. MMJ actually can have a profoundly positive affect on people who have severe personality disorders, helping to curb violent tendencies and allowing you to keep your dark place small and in tucked away, instead of letting it expand and consume you.
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Interesting stuff about physical trauma being a cause... I've definitely hit my head too hard a few times and have PTSD from a bad accident that involved a solid blow to the head... I work with my anger pretty well, but it's definitely there. Somewhat genetic or learned through nurture as well, as my father had rage issues when I was a kid. But he was in an unhealthy marriage and who's to decide what the real cause was... certainly not me, without a lot more info that I've never gotten from either parent, heh. Not to mention bias, it's like impossible to tell if anyone's telling the truth when there's so much emotional resentment hidden behind a decision like divorce...

Anyway. Just wanted to say thanks for throwing this out there... I've been considering therapy for a long time, which is probably an indicator that I should be in it, heh. I have irritability issues more than anger issues... but sometimes it flips from irritable to anger real fast on me and I have to get myself alone fast to deal with it. I don't start fights, I'm actually a total pacificist, never had a problem with physical violence... but I do get really angry sometimes, and often for reasons that are fairly unreasonable.

I treat with MJ pretty effectively, but sometimes I get really depressed because I feel like I'm not expressing myself, and the only way past that ends up being some seriously LOUD venting. (I've learned to do it by screaming along with some of my favorite music though.) And when I run out of weed it means some serious re-checking if I haven't been acknowledging my emotional state for a while. I'm trying to learn to use it as a medicine rather than abuse it in this way.
 
kinetic

kinetic

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CrimsonN9NE said:
Did Mma for 2 yrs cant afford it any more and i need plp to work out with to get me goin if that makes any since. and i bleave zen works but my damn head wont stay slowed down long enough to try and i fall asleep if i smoke and do that.
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keep practicing with the meditation, it will come. It's funny how 'no mind' takes practice but it helped me greatly. You may benefit from transcendental meditation that uses a mantra, this may help overcome the sleepy part of it for you. It's also used to help ptsd patients especially those that have seen the horrors of war. Good Luck, try to find a happy place.

edit. you don't need money to train, my friend and I were trained and ended up practicing in backyards, basements and in parks.
 
AltarNation

AltarNation

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kinetic said:
keep practicing with the meditation, it will come. It's funny how 'no mind' takes practice but it helped me greatly. You may benefit from transcendental meditation that uses a mantra, this may help overcome the sleepy part of it for you. It's also used to help ptsd patients especially those that have seen the horrors of war. Good Luck, try to find a happy place.

edit. you don't need money to train, my friend and I were trained and ended up practicing in backyards, basements and in parks.
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I'm a really mental person, so for me, the key to "getting" meditation was actually logical thinking about it. My brain basically refuses to back down until I explain 'to it', with rational and logical structure, WHY it must back down and quiet. I literally had to learn that it was self-defeating to think... and the only way to do that was to think about it A LOT. Quite a conundrum but it worked. I believe in buddhism it is referred to as the "Jnanic Path" (reflective path)... the idea that, if you are destined for the jnanic path, the only way out is through, so we must dive INTO our minds until we reach the point where the ego realizes it's own destruction is imminent and necessary for the greater whole's survival. It's pretty hard to handle when you get there, but if you can walk consciously into it it yields absolute surrender through perceived self-sacrifice. "Oops, I didn't really need to learn this consciously" ends up being the response, but it's too late then. So through the eye you go, hoping that next time you'll remember that you can just quiet down int he first place without making such a big deal. (The movie The Fountain deals with this largely through the full picture of it's plot line.)

Alan Watts helped me a lot. He's a thinker's guru, so to speak. Highly recommend the "Out Of Your Mind" recorded series, OP. (and anyone else who wants awesome spiritual entertainment...) You can torrent it...
 
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Dislexicmidget2021

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AltarNation said:
I'm a really mental person, so for me, the key to "getting" meditation was actually logical thinking about it. My brain basically refuses to back down until I explain 'to it', with rational and logical structure, WHY it must back down and quiet. I literally had to learn that it was self-defeating to think... and the only way to do that was to think about it A LOT. Quite a conundrum but it worked. I believe in buddhism it is referred to as the "Jnanic Path" (reflective path)... the idea that, if you are destined for the jnanic path, the only way out is through, so we must dive INTO our minds until we reach the point where the ego realizes it's own destruction is imminent and necessary for the greater whole's survival. It's pretty hard to handle when you get there, but if you can walk consciously into it it yields absolute surrender through perceived self-sacrifice. "Oops, I didn't really need to learn this consciously" ends up being the response, but it's too late then. So through the eye you go, hoping that next time you'll remember that you can just quiet down int he first place without making such a big deal. (The movie The Fountain deals with this largely through the full picture of it's plot line.)


I practice something very similar to this almost daily,it becomes zen-like,it occurs like a second nature for me nowadays.I have learned alot about expanding the capacity to deal with life itself and others/my own emotions through practicing the "no-mind" if you will.
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CrimsonN9NE

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Will how could i do that if im around plp that are pissing me off. i know dont go around thos plp but ya cant help to run in to em. And when i do it not like i can ezly walk away when that start talking shit my first reaction is to knock em the fuck out for talking shit. Another one is how can i deal with the anger i got for being a victem of a Pedo and have to see em from time to time and not do a damn thing about it. It boils my fucking blood to no end. thay get lesser of a charge. then if we where caught growing thats fucking bullshit. so ya that a little of my anger problem that i can share atm. Thanks again peeps for you info and help
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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I find if you are cold and ignore the person, they generally get fed up after a few days of that and leave you alone.
 
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