Christianity has been debunked once and for all

Yondaime said:

....modern atheists are the true enemies of reason.

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religion, either the belief in or the denial of, is completely outside the realm of logic. such absolutes can never be proved, disproved or even clearly defined. any atheist that claims he became such through reason is deluding himself, just as any believer who attempts to claim definitive proof of his faith is equally a fool. i'll admit it, my denial of religion was based more on the need to make some decision than on any great truths. you can't sit on the fence forever if you wish to take command of your own destiny.

I spent 4 yrs in a Christian school. Bible was a required subject. I had a few problems with what I was being taught, so I decided to read the Book for myself. I thought there must be mistakes in it, after all it was written 2-6 thousand years ago by people that weren’t suppose to know as much as modern man. After all the time that had passed surely the mistakes would be easy to spot. WC Fields, a dedicated man of the world (heavy drinker and womanizer) once got caught reading the Bible, by a friend. His friend asked "What are you doing?", WC replied, "looking for loopholes". That's exactly what I was doing but I ended up believing the Bible is the inspired word of God. No natural man could have known many of the facts mentioned in the Book that have been proven over time. Also, ALL of the prophecies it contains have either happened or are happening. It's been said that today's headlines were first printed thousands of years ago in the back of the Book. Israel and the Jews are one proof. Many nations have done their best to destroy Israel but the Bible predicted that after they were scattered throughout the world they would regain the land God promised them. After a couple thousand years they got their land back and their language. Their the only nation in history to do that and I don’t know of any other nation that has been hated and warred against like Israel but that's just one small example. If you really want proof do the math on what the odds are of any one man fulfilling ALL the prophecies about the Messiah, the odds are astronomical but Jesus fulfilled most while He was on earth and I believe He will return and fulfill the rest just like the Bible says. Some of the prophecies about the Messiah were written thousands of years before Jesus was born. By the way, He never wrote a book, He never commanded an army, He wasn’t rich, He didn’t do any of the things we generally consider reason for fame, yet he had more of an impact on this earth than any other man that ever lived. We mark time literally by his life… BC/AD. My advice is read the Bible for yourself, open your heart, get by yourself, ask God to teach you what He wants you to know and NEVER stop taking time to do that for the rest of your life. You don't read the Bible, the Bible reads you. You'll learn things you never knew about yourself and a lot more. I still don't agree with what a lot of people preach and claim to know but I believe in God and the Bible. One of the preachers I heard back in school said, "I believe in the Bible and God with all my heart but if I lived a long long life then died and there was no God, I could not have lived a better life than living as a Christian". According to the Bible God gives us free will, we’re free to accept God or reject Him. It also describes hell as a place separated from God. I prefer to accept Him but the Bible also says it is not my job to force God or Christ on anyone, I’m just here to plant a few seeds. The ones that fall on good ground (in good hearts) will grow. Right is Right and wrong is wrong and you will reap what you sew. All that being said, here are a few of my favorite Bible verses:

Gn:1:29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Ps:104:14: He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth; Ps:104:15: And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart. Eze:34:29: And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more. Mt:15:10: And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: Mt:15:11: Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. Mk:7:21: For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Mk:7:22: Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: Mk:7:23: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

So now you can tell the world you know of at least one Christian that believes cannabis is one of his God given rights. It’s a good idea to keep in mind the “knowledge of the day” at the time the Book was written and that it’s been translated from several different languages before English but there’s no doubt in my mind that if you seek God you will find Him through the words in the Bible. There’s a few more verses and a lot of drug policy reform information on this website:
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undertheice said:

religion, either the belief in or the denial of, is completely outside the realm of logic. such absolutes can never be proved, disproved or even clearly defined. any atheist that claims he became such through reason is deluding himself, just as any believer who attempts to claim definitive proof of his faith is equally a fool. i'll admit it, my denial of religion was based more on the need to make some decision than on any great truths. you can't sit on the fence forever if you wish to take command of your own destiny.

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The same could be said about fairies, nobody can prove that fairies do not exist, but are we agnostic to the existence of fairies?

Yondaime said:

Natrone23, thank you for proving my point.

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lol yes I did prove a point that your religion is just another in a long string of man made religions

religion is science science is the world thru a liars point of view....

Yondaime said:

You all make scientific observations supposedly accepted as scientific proof yet you cite no references, you contradict yourselves and have no degrees in either theology nor any field of science and yet think you are able to comprehend and claim to have read and understood a complex and widely studied ancient book such as the bible and although you have no interest in it or its religion?

It takes years of studying to comprehend the bible from a minister's stand point, and yet all of you who claim to have no affiliation with Christianity say that you have read and understood it?

When will you all stop deceiving yourselves, modern atheists are the true enemies of reason.

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It doesn't take a degree of any kind to debunk Christianity, just common sense. If the Christian god and his son were who the Christiasn say they were, there would be certain common sense things that people should expect to see when looking back in time. And those things just simply aren't there. No degree necessary.

trishmybiscuits said:

It doesn't take a degree of any kind to debunk Christianity, just common sense. If the Christian god and his son were who the Christiasn say they were, there would be certain common sense things that people should expect to see when looking back in time. And those things just simply aren't there. No degree necessary.

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Those things are there but you have to be able to understand them and the only way you can do that is by opening your spirit and learning enough to be able to understand. I noted several examples in my first post.

So now you can tell the world you know of at least one Christian that believes cannabis is one of his God given rights.

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The bible is used to justify everything from Murder to Rape... So its expected at least someone would use it to justify their marijuana usage.

Well at least JESUS

OOps, What I was going to say was at least Jesus taught us that human sacrifice is a good thing and great thing happen when you do it!

if he taught that, all Christ followers would commit suicide at some point in their lives. and obviously that isn't happening.

Jesus sacrificed himself to save humans from their sins. he felt the pain in everybody and could not bare it, he did not want anybody to endure it.


so, whether Jesus was right or wrong, he was trying to help you. he wanted the best for us, so he did what he thought was best.

you don't have to believe in Christianity, but you should at least be respectful to this man who gave his life in an attempt to save the people.

jsknow said:

Those things are there but you have to be able to understand them and the only way you can do that is by opening your spirit and learning enough to be able to understand. I noted several examples in my first post.

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I did read your first post. First, the bible is clearly incorrect about many of the things it says. For instance, take the way it says the earth was formed. It says God created the earth. However, all one need do is point a telescope at the sky at night and they can see how stars and planets are formed. The process happens literally right before our eyes. And if the bible is wrong on that count, the entire rest of it has no credibility.

People can't get it through their heads that the bible was just conjoured up by humans with an imagination. Humans who couldn't understand anything about the natural world so they attributed everything to a supreme being.

In the beginning God created the heavens AND the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. - Genesis 1:1

it says God created the heavens (beyond Earth) and Earth.

the world was dark and empty before God made it inhabitable. meaning Earth was probably similar to the other planets one point in time, nothing suitable for lifeforms.

I really don't think that genesis was meant to be taken literally in the sense that everything written happen exactly that way.
The way I explain the fallibilities in the Bible was that in the end the Bible was written by men, imperfect men. No matter how perfect the message, inspiration, or spirit was in making the chapters within, once it's been filtered through human capabilities and understanding, it's going to be flawed.
Another thing a lot of people don't think about, (mostly because they've never really read the bible with the intent to understand things for themselves), is that a lot of bible consists of letters that were written between people. Jewish leaders discussing their tribal laws and such.
Sometimes people are just talking about how they struggle with being a Christian, or how it's changed their life for the better (or made things harder.) So these aren't divinely inspired moments that God meant us to draw moral codes from, it's just normal people talking to each other. These conversations are sure to be littered with mistakes and flaws, just like letters and e-mails today.

trishmybiscuits said:

I did read your first post. First, the bible is clearly incorrect about many of the things it says. For instance, take the way it says the earth was formed. It says God created the earth. However, all one need do is point a telescope at the sky at night and they can see how stars and planets are formed. The process happens literally right before our eyes. And if the bible is wrong on that count, the entire rest of it has no credibility.

People can't get it through their heads that the bible was just conjoured up by humans with an imagination. Humans who couldn't understand anything about the natural world so they attributed everything to a supreme being.

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If that's your opinion, you're welcome to it. The fact that the universe is expanding and new planets ect. are being formed and some are ending doesn't come close to contradicting the Bible. The Bible never said any of those things wouldn't happen.

Imo what some people can't get through their head is that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, there are no mistakes. There are misunderstandings and mis-translations but there are no mistakes. No one has been able to prove a single mistake or even a contradiction and we're talking about scriptures that were written over several thousand years by many different human writers... As Desi would say, splain that Lucy?

The Bible also says to the "world" (unbelievers) the Word of God would seem foolish. I think your post has proven that to be true. You seem to have your mind made up and there is none so blind as him who will not see but I'll make a deal with you, if you'll just try to open your heart and read your Bible, I'll do my best to explain the parts you believe prove it isn't true. I don't claim to have all the answers, I don't think anyone but God completely understands the entire Bible but I've read the Bible at least 25 times and I'm in touch with some people that are true bible scholars, so if I don't know the answer I probably can find someone that has the answer. Do we have a deal?

wow, that original rant was full of easily refutable logical fallacies which simply made the writer look uneducated.

Dang, this article just blew my beliefs out the window. To be serious though this is very far from debunking anything. I honestly find it interesting that a book written by man as long as the bible has as few flaws as it does.

JohnnyPotSeed1969 said:

wow, that original rant was full of easily refutable logical fallacies which simply made the writer look uneducated.

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If you're refering to the essay this thread is based on, you really need to be careful what you say. That essay is clearly nothing but a collection of undisputable facts. If you can't tell the difference between fact and fallacy, it throws into question the credibility of anything you say. You should really be a wee bit more careful how you choose your words.

WWgrower said:

OOps, What I was going to say was at least Jesus taught us that human sacrifice is a good thing and great thing happen when you do it!

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Jesus didn't even have the sense to tell his followers to go teach his message to the thousands of people living on the other side of the planet. Imagine that! I guess he just figured he'd hop on a camel and ride over there and tell 'em in person, huh?

trishmybiscuits said:

Jesus didn't even have the sense to tell his followers to go teach his message to the thousands of people living on the other side of the planet. Imagine that! I guess he just figured he'd hop on a camel and ride over there and tell 'em in person, huh?

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Wut? I clearly remember "go and be a fisher of men" being one of his polite requests to his followers. Hence the little fish symbol?