Club 600

And not only is Mel Brooks "The King", he's also The Man!

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Come ooon..
...you do "It".
You KNOW you do "It"!
Everybody does "It".
I just did "It", and I'm ready to do "It" again!

Lmao I love Mel Brooks . High Anxiety was actually the first movie I saw, then Blazing Saddles...imagine what kind of wit fueled that choice sense of humor!

And DST, you are right...as long as one behaves, flirting is harmless and fun. No matter how I might carry on with you guys, my man knows it's his bed that I crawl into with a J every night.

Just ordered a tent and 400watt HPS. I know it's not a 600, but will keep subbed to this thread for inspiration and possible incentive to upgrade later! I blame it on the awesome pics you guys have been posting...been feeling salty as hell comparing my CFL plants to them

TrynaGroSumShyt said:

here is a pic. They use it in one of their in store grows. It shines both colors .

see how it is mh/hps?

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I have a friend who used that. He said he is gonna switch back to MH though, not sure reason though. He was using it for veg.

Watching "Wipeout" online and one of the commercials had me laughing:

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Lady.J said:

Lmao I love Mel Brooks . High Anxiety was actually the first movie I saw, then Blazing Saddles...imagine what kind of wit fueled that choice sense of humor!

And DST, you are right...as long as one behaves, flirting is harmless and fun. No matter how I might carry on with you guys, my man knows it's his bed that I crawl into with a J every night.

Just ordered a tent and 400watt HPS. I know it's not a 600, but will keep subbed to this thread for inspiration and possible incentive to upgrade later! I blame it on the awesome pics you guys have been posting...been feeling salty as hell comparing my CFL plants to them

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one step at a time...we all started somewhere. I went up to 1000 watters and am gonna trade my 1000 watt ballasts for 600s now I think. I get heat issues and would rather have the light spread more with dual 6's instead of a single 1000

bassman999 said:

one step at a time...we all started somewhere. I went up to 1000 watters and am gonna trade my 1000 watt ballasts for 600s now I think. I get heat issues and would rather have the light spread more with dual 6's instead of a single 1000

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That is definitely true. I think I started with two 26 watt CFLs in the very beginning!

What kind of area are you growing in (room, tent)? Two 600s sounds pretty beastly. How much space does that cover?

I'm going to be adding a second 600w to my flowering box either at the end of September, or in January of 2013 (would hate to spend the duckets in September only to lose it all in the coming Cosmic Conflagration in December ).
Going to do the overlapping lighting schedule so there will be a "morning" (mH), a "noon" (mH & HPS) and an "evening" (HPS).

DoobieBrother said:

I'm going to be adding a second 600w to my flowering box either at the end of September, or in January of 2013 (would hate to spend the duckets in September only to lose it all in the coming Cosmic Conflagration in December ).
Going to do the overlapping lighting schedule so there will be a "morning" (mH), a "noon" (mH & HPS) and an "evening" (HPS).

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Technically it would be more like a hps morning, mh midday, hps evening. If you look into what's called the golden hour in photography it's the time near sunrise and sunset when taking photos is considered to be optimal. Sunrise and sunset are in the 2k range, the golden hour falls in the 3500 range and the regular daylight is in the 5500 range. Obviously many factors can affect those numbers such as location, altitude, weather etc. Just thought I'd throw out some photography info I remember!

DoobieBrother said:

I'm going to be adding a second 600w to my flowering box either at the end of September, or in January of 2013 (would hate to spend the duckets in September only to lose it all in the coming Cosmic Conflagration in December ).
Going to do the overlapping lighting schedule so there will be a "morning" (mH), a "noon" (mH & HPS) and an "evening" (HPS).

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That's a great idea...have you ever seen anyone grow that way before?

Lady.J said:

That is definitely true. I think I started with two 26 watt CFLs in the very beginning!

What kind of area are you growing in (room, tent)? Two 600s sounds pretty beastly. How much space does that cover?

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well I was flowering in my 4x4 tent and the 600 didnt seem enough and I used the 1000 for the last 4 weeks. Now the 4x4 is my clone/mom area and I flower outside and in my homemade roughly 6x7 tent.

As far as coverage ppl and mfg will say from a 4x4 to a 6x6 for a 600 watt hps. I think as long as you dont burn/bleach the plants and dont have high temps there really is no size too small for the 600. Jig and some others have squeezed some 600s in some tiny spaces and done really well!

bassman999 said:

well I was flowering in my 4x4 tent and the 600 didnt seem enough and I used the 1000 for the last 4 weeks. Now the 4x4 is my clone/mom area and I flower outside and in my homemade roughly 6x7 tent.

As far as coverage ppl and mfg will say from a 4x4 to a 6x6 for a 600 watt hps. I think as long as you dont burn/bleach the plants and dont have high temps there really is no size too small for the 600. Jig and some others have squeezed some 600s in some tiny spaces and done really well!

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I ordered a 4x4x7 tent for the 400...sounds like I'm going to need some supplemental lighting!

Didn't realize you could use a 600 in small places...but it makes sense if you get rid of the heat.

supchaka said:

Technically it would be more like a hps morning, mh midday, hps evening. If you look into what's called the golden hour in photography it's the time near sunrise and sunset when taking photos is considered to be optimal. Sunrise and sunset are in the 2k range, the golden hour falls in the 3500 range and the regular daylight is in the 5500 range. Obviously many factors can affect those numbers such as location, altitude, weather etc. Just thought I'd throw out some photography info I remember!

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The light is affected by atmosphere (particulates, moisture and air density) so that at different times of the day, different color ranges are making it through the atmosphere:

"At midday on when the sky is clear the sun appears to be yellowish-white. At sunrise and sunset on clear days the sun may appear to be deep yellow, orange, or red.
These color variations result from the amount of atmosphere the sun’s rays must penetrate at various times of the day. At noon (when the sun is overhead) all wavelengths are received with nearly equal intensity. Recall that all wavelengths together in equal abundance are seen as white light. The sun, therefore, appears yellowish-white in color at midday.
At sunrise or sunset the rays coming from the sun strike the surface of the earth at a low angle. These rays must pass through much more atmosphere than at any other time of the day.
The atmospheric thickness that rays from the sun must travel through is about twelve times longer at sunrise/sunset than it is at midday.
The thicker atmospheric path results in a greater scattering of shorter wavelengths by the air molecules (and other particles) present.
If scattering occurs over a long enough distance the scattered wavelengths are gradually dimished.
The remaining long waves are the only visible wavelengths that reach the eye. Redder sunsets occur when the atmosphere contains a higher concentration of particulates such as dust, smoke, etc.
Blue suns/blue moons are produced by extremely small particles suspended in the air (on the same order of magnitude of the wavelengths of visible light, in terms of size).
When these particles are present, they tend to scatter red light more so than blue, which causes a bluing of the sun or moon."
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So in the mornings when the earth is still there are smaller particles suspended in the atmosphere so the light coming through is a more more cool blue light.
As the day progresses and the world wakes up, dust is stirred up (by animals and convection) and we humans emit our daily doses of pollutants until we go to sleep. With the increase in particles comes a greater scattering of light that means the light is shifted towards a warmer red light.

But, I'm now wondering if it's only a visible light spectrum shift, and does it affect the plants?

Here's a really good read of the entire article:

http://www.physics.isu.edu/weather/kmdbbd/notesc4.pdf

I tend to agree as well, regardless of what I read I know I prefer the evening golden hour for photos. Along with the fact that I'm usually still sleeping during the first one!

Lady.J said:

I ordered a 4x4x7 tent for the 400...sounds like I'm going to need some supplemental lighting!

Didn't realize you could use a 600 in small places...but it makes sense if you get rid of the heat.

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You will be able to place the 400 closer to the canopy than a 600.

I'm running two 600's open hoods in a 4 1/2 X 5 1/2 area and using a 7500 btu a/c for cooling and had to switch to running the lights at night because of the daytime heat.
Using a dual spectrum bulb is giving up 1/3 of your lumens. I'm running 95,000 lumens in a growbright hps bulb.
The cost difference between a 400 and a 600 is small compared to the benefits.

jig
I have the figure of 4 grams per quarter pound of butter somewhere in my grey area.



cof

To hell with "The Butt Crack of Dawn", I'm awake well by "The First Taint of Light"!

Yeah, I get up before the sun does by a few hours, and definitely a light hint of golden light right after the brief cool blue light.
As a painter of modest means, I pay close attention to light & color, both natural and artificial.
It still trips me out that we can "see" and "know" what we are seeing.

Sorry, it's the Deep Blue talking...



*edit:
Will be a great time for indoor growers when a full PAR light source that is affordable to own & operate is developed

Lady.J said:

I ordered a 4x4x7 tent for the 400...sounds like I'm going to need some supplemental lighting!

Didn't realize you could use a 600 in small places...but it makes sense if you get rid of the heat.

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DST runs different lights at different times of day.

And I have a 1000w in a 2'x3' closet. It's all about air movement taking away the heat. I run a 6" 435 cfm fan.

Wow, I am drunk, and full!!! We ended up in a place with a fixed menu.......freaking amazing!!! 4 courses of crumtiousness. Burp, fart, belch, I'm, out.....

No real excitement on my little fishin trip, couple of small trout hitting a fly almost as big as they were. lol. Atleast I can still manage to get the fly and the line to land in front of me in the river most of the time. It sucks trying to fish a river when you're too fucked up physically to get in and wade out deep enough to reach the good water. Enough whining, time to water the ladies...and put a smile back on my face!

Anybody else's area hittin a heatwave. Its 7pm and still 100f outside. hit 104f today and the coolest room in my house was my grow, kinda awkward. can outdoor plants handle this kinda heat ?