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Don Gin and Ton
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coco is lazy mans haydro anyway ish lol
DST
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Done simple hydro back in the 90's, custom bought tray with a shelf for the plants, built in pump that just pumped from the tray and then flooded the shelf and recycled it back, etc. You could fit in around 6 plants and the trays came with A+B nutrients, no name or nowt. The bud was killer, but nothing compared to what I grow now. Too many lads in on one thing is never good. Been back in the dirt saddle since 2006 with a couple of soil grows, then when I bought my own house I cranked it up a tad, hehe...and now coco is my medium my bru's.
da55ad
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600w about 30 days since 12/12 growing hydro
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eventualy seeing some buds
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ZEN MASTER
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been using canna coco nutes for almost four years. cant speak for the aqua, but the coco A&B is excellent. but to be honest ive been looking at house and gardens coco line very hard. i heard good things(from trusted sources) about the coco, and aqua flakes line, and for the most part they are a little less expensive. for example i did a cost comparison of the 1L bottles of both and the results were as follows:
CANNA
A&B combo
Cannazym
PK 13/14
Boost($$$$)
Rhizotonic
$250-$260
House&Garden
A&B combo
Multi Zen
Top Booster
Bud XL
Roots Excelerator=
$155-165
Also another example the 5Liter A&B Canna coco combo cost 104.99
where as the 10Liter A&B house &Garden cocos combo cost 110.99, but as of yet i personally have not used House&Garden. but i think those are some pretty good reasons to give it a try. hope that helped.
PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
Dezracer
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I have a question for my fellow 600 growers that I got no response on in another thread.
I have a couple seeds that I germinated with the intent of trying a 12/12 from seeds grow since I've never done it before. The question is, can I just stick in the flower room under the 600 once it sprouts or do I need to run it under something less powerful like a CFL or something for the first week or two? I have the light kind of high right now since there's plants in there getting close to harvest so I can set it far from the light if necessary.
I have a couple seeds that I germinated with the intent of trying a 12/12 from seeds grow since I've never done it before. The question is, can I just stick in the flower room under the 600 once it sprouts or do I need to run it under something less powerful like a CFL or something for the first week or two? I have the light kind of high right now since there's plants in there getting close to harvest so I can set it far from the light if necessary.
Countryfarmer
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I would think as long as the 600 was high enough up you should be fine. Just throw your light tool down by the seedlings and check out the quantity they are getting. But I think it should be fine.
littlegrower2004
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should be fine to keep it in there as long as it has the necessary water supply and the light intensity isnt too extreme.
DST- good catch on the fertilization. i was going to have to say the same thing but you covered it. +rep!
Heads Up
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I've done a couple of 12/12 from seed grows. My first one was under a t-5, the second was under hps lighting. As the farmer says just keep them a good distance from your light for the first week or so and then it should be fine to lower the light. I have eight plants under 12/12 now that I vegged for two weeks and the light is about a foot and a half away from them, so far so good.
Dezracer
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Thanks, appreciate the answers.
I'll just stick whichever one or two in there then once the seeds have sprouted and I get them in a 1gal pot. From what I see in other 12/12 grows, it looks like 1gal pot should be sufficient for a 12/12 from seed grow. It looks like lots of people just use big cups and small bowls and junk like that when growing that way and I can only think it's due to the large number of plants they get going at a time. I'm not doing a bunch and I have some 1gal nursery pots so I'll use that.
I'll just stick whichever one or two in there then once the seeds have sprouted and I get them in a 1gal pot. From what I see in other 12/12 grows, it looks like 1gal pot should be sufficient for a 12/12 from seed grow. It looks like lots of people just use big cups and small bowls and junk like that when growing that way and I can only think it's due to the large number of plants they get going at a time. I'm not doing a bunch and I have some 1gal nursery pots so I'll use that.
Heads Up
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I too play in the dirt, I find it very forgiving. Even though I probably have at least a hundred dollars of nutes sitting around, I don't think they are necessary. I have been using Scott's potting soil for containers with fine results and it's half the price of ocean forest for more soil. I add sphagnum peat moss, worm castings, perlite and mycorrhizae that contains both ecto and endo strains of fungus. During veg I water in soluble mycorrhizae and for nutes I use dyna-gro 9-3-6 with an occasional dose of molasses, hygrozyme and liquid karma. I use silica 0-0-3 with every watering and every once in a while some big bloom from foxfarm. During flowering I use jack's classic 10-30-20 again with some molasses occassionally, hygrozyme, gravity and snowstorm. I don't exactly flush my plants but I do give them only water for the last week or so. Personally I don't think flushing is the key to good tasting bud, I think it's more in the drying and curing. And once again, that is why they make chocolate and vanilla, not everyone likes the same thing.
ZEN MASTER
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from what ive seen and from what ive been told; it basically depends on the genetics. but like i said only what ive seen and been told, with a 400mh, no applied knowledge though with a 600. but hey, throw a couple out and see how they respond. i would imagined that you would just raise your light as high as it can go to lessen the amount of lumens hitting it. imo better to have it sprout under your 600 from a distance, than to sprout it under a weak cfl, then having to switch to a stronger cfl, and another until it can handle the 600. ive tried that with a 400mh and had no problems, but when i tried to let them sprout under the floros for a couple of weeks then put them under the 400mh i had growth, but it was much slower. but thats just my experience with the seeds i had. but hey like i said you'll never know till you try. pop two seeds and try it both ways.
PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
curious old fart
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If you really want to see a 12/12 from seed check out randy rocket and his grow
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/151253-12-12-seed-harvest-1-a.html
notice his cup size.
cof
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/151253-12-12-seed-harvest-1-a.html
notice his cup size.
cof
ZEN MASTER
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and thats not even mentioning avdvanced nutrients. their hobbyist(the small,beginner package) 1Liter bottles goes as follows.
sensi bloom A- $15.12
sensi bloom B- $15.12
voodoo juice - $113.46
big bud - $44.12
b-52 - $47.28
overdrive - $40.98
$275.88=ouch!
JimmyT
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Good luck with it! I think it's a lot of fun to have water run on timers and hear them turn on and off every 5 minutes. Like my personal little world. Interestingly, I'm very interested in doing a few soil grows as I have never done it before
It's not for everybody that's for sure. As I mentioned above, I'm very interested in doing a direct soil vs. hydro comparison just for fun. I've never grown with soil! I'm doing Aero/NFT and I check on my girls AT LEAST twice a day so I'm sure it's not just soil growers showing their plants the extra love and attention
I agree. I guess one of the major advantages of growing hydro really has to be the flushing/leaching portion of it. It's nice not tasting any nutrients whatsoever when smoking all your hard work. But then again, I have yet to try growing with soil so what am I talking about?
It's settled, I definitely need to do a direct comparison between the two with the same clone. I feel that unless anybody has done an actual experiment between the two growing methods (with the same cutting), this post is futile
Heads Up
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cof, that randy rocket thread just confirms to me that weed will grow almost anywhere in anything. On to using organics. Correct me if I'm wrong but correct me with fact and not opinion or hearsay. A plant cannot use organic anything in organic form. It must first break it down into simpler forms before it can be used by the plant. This is not something coming out of my head, it comes from different grow bibles I've read. For any of us to really understand what we are doing growing, we would first have to be a botanist with years of experience and then a breeder for years to really know what we are talking about. I'm sure people who have grown enough grows will attest that even using the same seeds from the same mother and father, you can have a range of different looking plants. I've seen a monster grown in a half gallon grow bag and a dwarf grown in a two gallon container. As far as hydro and soil, I have zero experience with hydro so any comparison attempt from me would be moot...although I do like the word futile, nice one jimmy. I do however disagree with all due respect that soil has no nutrients in it. If that were true, we would be strictly meat and fish eaters. There is plenty of scientific evidence that a plant forms a relationship with soil that just does not exist in hydro. I have nothing to go by and it's just my opinion but with that little fact in mind I think it is only obvious that a plant in soil stands a much better chance of developing its terpens and all those other good things that add to flavor and smell. I am more than willing to be proven wrong by you hydro guys, I'll be happy to provide you with my address so you can send me some samples for a taste test. It's all good guys, I tend to be a very sarcastic person but I mean no harm to anyone...just remember, chocolate and vanilla.
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