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Samwell Seed Well said:
i thought this thread was about eh mass deaths and negligence the new obamacare was going to bring . . .i was supposed to sign up . . but i havent been told where it is actually happening yet . . .just curious dont wnat to be left out
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You heard about if you have nothing to say, don't say anything?
 
"Access" is not the same as "current participation". The penalty for accessing that quite possibly lousy and expensive insurance plan is often intolerably steep, like quarter to half the spouse's pay contribution to the household. How is that equitable?
 
The republicans had the chance to fix any thing that was wrong. They chose instead to fuck it up as much as they could. And not they try to sabotage the little we got. If they were interested in helping us instead of worrying about themselves. The ideas of theirs we call obamacare would be better.

And yes obamacare is a republican plan
 
cannabineer said:
"Access" is not the same as "current participation". The penalty for accessing that quite possibly lousy and expensive insurance plan is often intolerably steep, like quarter to half the spouse's pay contribution to the household. How is that equitable?
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We don't know that yet..it's all speculation until the exchanges are available..see me after October 1st.
 
Wavels said:
Here is one Doctors' account of the real life horror of bogus "insurance".

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324139404579017113415486176.html

Take the examples of Lasik eye surgery or cosmetic surgery. These services are not covered by insurance. Providers compete on the basis of quality, outcomes and price. And prices have continually dropped as quality and services have improved—unlike the rest of health care.
When my patient returned for his post-op visit we discussed the experience. It was clear to both of us that the only way to make health care more affordable is to diminish the role of third-party payers. Let consumers and providers interact through market forces to drive down prices and drive up quality, like we do when we buy groceries, clothing, cars, computers, etc. Drop the focus on prepaid health plans and return to the days of real health insurance—that covers major, unforeseen events, leaving the everyday expenses to the consumer—just like auto and homeowners' insurance.
Sadly, we are heading in the exact opposite direction. ObamaCare expands the role of the third party and practically eliminates the role—and the say—of the patient in the delivery of health care. Will they ever learn?
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last I checked we had 16 straight years of GOP..

EDIT: lasik and cosmetic are "wants" not "needs" optional surgeries so, yes they can be competitive..
 
I'm pointing out that "access" can be a weaselword, implying "has" when "can have at unspecified cost" might be true. There used to be a more equitable contract between employer and employee, back in the day when a job usually meant a career. After the economic part-collapse and part-remodel, folks count themselves lucky to have just a job. You mentioned part-time employment; in my day that was the exception where now it is more and more the rule. Never mind hours, bennies and advancement track. In that climate, I see limiting family participation in the principal's bennies as cynical.
 
cannabineer said:
I'm pointing out that "access" can be a weaselword, implying "has" when "can have at unspecified cost" might be true. There used to be a more equitable contract between employer and employee, back in the day when a job usually meant a career. After the economic part-collapse and part-remodel, folks count themselves lucky to have just a job. You mentioned part-time employment; in my day that was the exception where now it is more and more the rule. Never mind hours, bennies and advancement track. In that climate, I see limiting family participation in the principal's bennies as cynical.
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not cynical more like cost cutting measure..used to be that wife can work at a company that provides say PPO/POS over HMO at husbands company..so put him on wifes..employers no longer wish to do this because they have to pay 50% of that husbands premium who is not an employee of the company..plain and simple.
 
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