Defoliation the first few leafs

PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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I personally don't care what people do with their plants, but personally I do remove leaves twice in flower. Once around 3 weeks in, once stretch has stopped, and again a few weeks later once the buds start fattening up. I don't claim that it improves growth, but I do know that I can pack more bud shoots in the same space with less risk of mold in late flower. I often remember what my College Horticulture teacher told me in lab one day when we were topping up a bunch of plants while doing a bit of root and top pruning, she said "plants love to be cut and torn apart, it makes them come back stronger". In my real world observations, I have to concur. I don't know how many times my wife has freaked out when I'm pruned a rose bush or lemon tree back too far in her eyes. She always gives me shit, then I tell her "just wait a couple of months, and you'll see". Then a couple months later, she says "I like the way you pruned that back now, it grew back so healthy".
 
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harrythehat

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PJ Diaz said:
I personally don't care what people do with their plants, but personally I do remove leaves twice in flower. Once around 3 weeks in, once stretch has stopped, and again a few weeks later once the buds start fattening up. I don't claim that it improves growth, but I do know that I can pack more bud shoots in the same space with less risk of mold in late flower. I often remember what my College Horticulture teacher told me in lab one day when we were topping up a bunch of plants while doing a bit of root and top pruning, she said "plants love to be cut and torn apart, it makes them come back stronger". In my real world observations, I have to concur. I don't know how many times my wife has freaked out when I'm pruned a rose bush or lemon tree back too far in her eyes. She always gives me shit, then I tell her "just wait a couple of months, and you'll see". Then a couple months later, she says "I like the way you pruned that back now, it grew back so healthy".
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Totally agree with you they come back stronger for sure
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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harrythehat said:
Totally agree with you they come back stronger for sure
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I mean, obviously there is a fine line between pruning and hacking. If you take it too far you will stunt your plants. I'm a pretty firm believer that momentum is really important in terms of plant health, vigor, and prime development. In my opinion, people do sometime take defoliation too far, which results in stunting the plant, and lost grow time. Sure, they will usually recover, and then bounce back strong, but it becomes a bit of a rollercoaster ride, instead of a rocket ship to the moon.
 
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harrythehat

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Well another defoliation day has come around

The Hat is back

Hi all Back to start again. This time using a system I designed and developed then shelved in 2007 awaiting more legal times. It will be relaunched as a 6 plant unit to keep in with US regulations. NTT is the technique. Light is a Quantum board. Seeds from Sensi seeds. There Sensi Skunk 55 day...
www.rollitup.org
It's happening over here now.
Enjoy
 
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harrythehat

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Have been the first to admit made two severe cock ups with these plants. Normally veg stage is over in 28 days ish.
What I did slowed them down considerably. Don't I fuckin know it.
What is getting boring though is the continual lambasting.
You lot would rather shout someone down.
Rather than look at what's happening now.

Do you have plants that NEED! to be defoliated about once a week?
Take that as a no shall we?
This is normal for me and it goes on pretty much all through flowering period as well.

OK I fucked up. Put it to bed let's get on with the rest of our lives.
It will still come good maybe not as good as it should.
Sort it on the next round.
 
go go kid

go go kid

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PJ Diaz said:
I personally don't care what people do with their plants, but personally I do remove leaves twice in flower. Once around 3 weeks in, once stretch has stopped, and again a few weeks later once the buds start fattening up. I don't claim that it improves growth, but I do know that I can pack more bud shoots in the same space with less risk of mold in late flower. I often remember what my College Horticulture teacher told me in lab one day when we were topping up a bunch of plants while doing a bit of root and top pruning, she said "plants love to be cut and torn apart, it makes them come back stronger". In my real world observations, I have to concur. I don't know how many times my wife has freaked out when I'm pruned a rose bush or lemon tree back too far in her eyes. She always gives me shit, then I tell her "just wait a couple of months, and you'll see". Then a couple months later, she says "I like the way you pruned that back now, it grew back so healthy".
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im coming round to a little defoliation when i read posts like this. thanx
 
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harrythehat

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go go kid said:
im coming round to a little defoliation when i read posts like this. thanx
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Defoliation is a plant by plant thing some may have more foliage than others
If you have two/3 leaves covering a budding site
Free it up you can take half a leaf if you want or tuck it under but if there's too much a chop here an there does no harm
There a bit like us cut off something and the body sends repair fluids so does the plant. To me I say it gives the plant more vigor, others will say different for sure
 
Wastei

Wastei

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harrythehat said:
Defoliation is a plant by plant thing some may have more foliage than others
If you have two/3 leaves covering a budding site
Free it up you can take half a leaf if you want or tuck it under but if there's too much a chop here an there does no harm
There a bit like us cut off something and the body sends repair fluids so does the plant. To me I say it gives the plant more vigor, others will say different for sure
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If you put as much time and effort on controlling your environment instead of removing leaves you would already be in flower.

Read you had issues with pH in your journal with same old deficiencies to show. Thought you said keeping optimal pH didn't matter? With your "abiotic stress elicitor" shouldn't pH and EC stay in range or even matter like magic? Right?
 
twentyeight.threefive

twentyeight.threefive

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Wastei said:
If you put as much time and effort on controlling your environment instead of removing leaves you would already be in flower.

Read you had issues with pH in your journal with same old deficiencies to show. Thought you said keeping optimal pH didn't matter? With your "abiotic stress elicitor" shouldn't pH and EC stay in range or even matter like magic? Right?
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If he put as much time into keeping his plants healthy instead of butchering them he'd be better off. Instead he has the need to act like he knows it all. After all this is Advanced Marijuana Cultivation. pH doesn't matter and they NEED to be defoliated day 21 from sprout.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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I almost never remove leaves in veg, but I have been known to do it in order to intentionally stunt the plants, if I've over-vegged and need to bide time before my current flowering cycle is done an I am able to throw the over-vegged plants into flower.. I've also heard of people removing the leaves on the dominant shoot in order to stunt that shoot, and get the less dominant shoots to catch up for a more even canopy. I'm not sure how well that actually works, but It seems to make a bit of sense in theory.
 
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harrythehat

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Wastei said:
If you put as much time and effort on controlling your environment instead of removing leaves you would already be in flower.

Read you had issues with pH in your journal with same old deficiencies to show. Thought you said keeping optimal pH didn't matter? With your "abiotic stress elicitor" shouldn't pH and EC stay in range or even matter like magic? Right?
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M8 I ain't having no pH issues strangely enough just noted in my journal the right hand tank running @4.6 or thereabouts and is running sweet as a nut no issues showing a low PH yes I adjusted it up but it went back down strange but fuck it. It can run @ 4. Whatever.
Left hand tank PHd to around 6 is till lagging behind PH adjustment has done nish.
So does PH make a difference does it fuck
 
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harrythehat

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harrythehat said:
M8 I ain't having no pH issues strangely enough just noted in my journal the right hand tank running @4.6 or thereabouts and is running sweet as a nut no issues showing a low PH yes I adjusted it up but it went back down strange but fuck it. It can run @ 4. Whatever.
Left hand tank PHd to around 6 is till lagging behind PH adjustment has done nish.
So does PH make a difference does it fuck
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Oh BTW there's probably another defoliation happening today. Yawn may leave it till tomorrow though
 
NotTheFeds

NotTheFeds

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Please show the plants! I'd love to see what they look like after your amazing defoliation techniques! Seeing as the first pic was posted March 26 they should be pretty big by now 44 days in veg surely they are going to be monsters!
 
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harrythehat

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NotTheFeds said:
Please show the plants! I'd love to see what they look like after your amazing defoliation techniques! Seeing as the first pic was posted March 26 they should be pretty big by now 44 days in veg surely they are going to be monsters!
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The Hat is back

Hi all Back to start again. This time using a system I designed and developed then shelved in 2007 awaiting more legal times. It will be relaunched as a 6 plant unit to keep in with US regulations. NTT is the technique. Light is a Quantum board. Seeds from Sensi seeds. There Sensi Skunk 55 day...
www.rollitup.org
Pics carry on here.
No there not that big after trying to kill them twice however there getting there.
 
NotTheFeds

NotTheFeds

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harrythehat said:

The Hat is back

Hi all Back to start again. This time using a system I designed and developed then shelved in 2007 awaiting more legal times. It will be relaunched as a 6 plant unit to keep in with US regulations. NTT is the technique. Light is a Quantum board. Seeds from Sensi seeds. There Sensi Skunk 55 day...
www.rollitup.org
Pics carry on here.
No there not that big after trying to kill them twice however there getting there.
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Do you not think that this thread subject on "defoliation the first few leaves "should be removed from the advanced section and reposted somewhere else?

Here you are saying to remove healthy leafs from small plants yet you havent got the results to back up your claims

Yes you say you nearly killed your plants twice, that still brings me back to why this thread is in the advanced section!? Advanced growers have their environment sorted then they will mess around with training techniques.

Doesn't belong in this section IMO
 
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