Democraps on taxes. Too much will never be enough.

tokeprep

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure what you mean by a social harm. Example?

One man's social harm is another mans pleasure. (he says while lighting up this mornings medicine)

Trying to "Bloomberg" what everyone will do, eat, fuck or dress seems a bit harmful to me.
Any negative cost, whether its between the parties or not, whether it's within that same transaction or not.

If two people agree to pollute a river other people drink out of, there might not be a consequence to them, but there will be a negative cost to the drinkers.

If there's no food safety regime and a toxic product kills 10,000 people, they may have willingly bought it, but the cost is all of their lifetime earnings.
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Any negative cost, whether its between the parties or not, whether it's within that same transaction or not.

If two people agree to pollute a river other people drink out of, there might not be a consequence to them, but there will be a negative cost to the drinkers.

If there's no food safety regime and a toxic product kills 10,000 people, they may have willingly bought it, but the cost is all of their lifetime earnings.
Yes but if they do find out who supplied there toxic product they wont patronize that company again









Unless of course the company changes it's name and moves to a different region
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
If the people involved have families, someone else could very easily be harmed. If the voluntary interaction involves polluting a river other people drink out of, someone else could very easily be harmed. Continue ad infinitum. If you think a consensual interaction between two people isn't capable of harming anyone else, you haven't thought it through.



Your theoretical construction always makes two presumptions: 1) the parties have equal information, 2) the parties have equal capacity to contract. Neither is typically true. An interaction may be consensual and may not cause harm for years or even decades later; and one party may clearly understand the terms he designed while the other party does not.

The intervention is not unwanted. Like I said, we got legislation--all your rules you're complaining about--because the people demanded them, when consensual interactions failed. People demanded rules recognizing that one party to a bargain tends to have better information than another party, and that not everyone has the same capacity to understand the agreement.
The theoretical construction makes a third and imo fatal assumption: that "consensus" is easily definible and even calculable. Were that so, the vast art of contract law would not be needed nor would it support an entire profession.

I find the Spoonerite philosophies to be guilty of "transfer of complexity" into a few key terms that are wildly more complicated than cursory analysis shows. "Coercion" and "consensus" figure chiefly here. These are not the simple terms that Spoonerites would want us to think they are, and to me they reveal the utopian Achilles' heel of this grouping of political philosophies. The intractable complexity of any system of three or more humans (I am tempted to analogize to the multi-body problem in physics. This has no analytic solution for n > 2. This obtains with a simple inverse-square law governing the motions of those three or more bodies! The algebra governing human anything is never so simple, and yet the presumption is made that a single, analytic-quality solution can be derived by the moderately thoughtful. Oy.) Jmo, naturally.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
OMG, sometimes having someone on block just cuts into the fun. But, his behind is blocked...
By your mound of sandwiches...

sorry im suffering fat joke withdrawl.

somebody had to say it or i would explode....

like my belly because i drink Gravy.

fuck now im doing myself...
 
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