Do Americans actually want universal healthcare?

BurtMaklin

BurtMaklin

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Rob Roy said:
It is involuntary because it is imposed by government, whether you like it or not.

If people do not like it, and refuse to be part of it, are they left completely alone or does something happen to them ?
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Meh, life is just a series of reactions to a multitude of involuntary forces. Your existence itself is as involuntary as it gets, so fuck it, might as well get some healthcare-n-stuff.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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BurtMaklin said:
Meh, life is just a series of reactions to a multitude of involuntary forces. Your existence itself is as involuntary as it gets, so fuck it, might as well get some healthcare-n-stuff.
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Thank you for admitting it is an involuntary process. I hope you don't use the same rationalizations in your dating approach.

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BurtMaklin

BurtMaklin

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Rob Roy said:
Thank you for admitting it is an involuntary process. I hope you don't use the same rationalizations in your dating approach.

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I was never under the illusion that it wasn't involuntary, and I'm not sure I really admitted anything. What is voluntary though is my choice to live where I'm forced to pay for something that benefits me. I fail to see how I'm missing out on all that "freedom".
 
VILEPLUME

VILEPLUME

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Rob Roy said:
If you did, it would have exposed that behind your ideas is not consensual cooperation, instead there is a gun.

People who want to appear peaceful ,but in reality aren't don't like it when their methods are reflected back to them.

That's how I knew.
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Are you guys joking or are you actually mad?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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BurtMaklin said:
I was never under the illusion that it wasn't involuntary, and I'm not sure I really admitted anything. What is voluntary though is my choice to live where I'm forced to pay for something that benefits me. I fail to see how I'm missing out on all that "freedom".
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Well you did admit it, in the sense of one of the meanings of the word admit. As in, you accepted my statement as valid (truthful), but I'll cease nitpicking.

As far as your failing to see all the freedom you're missing out on, have you considered that other people might feel they are missing out on
freedom ?

What would be a good word to describe an involuntary action being forced on other people which makes those other people miss
out on freedom ?
 
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Gorillabilly

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Padawanbater2 said:
The overwhelming majority if Democratic voters support universal healthcare, something like 88%

Even something like 50% of Republican voters support universal healthcare

The problem is Democratic and Republican politicians don't support it because their campaigns are financed by health insurance and pharmaceutical industry lobbyists who oppose universal healthcare

Democratic party sycophants would have you believe the Democratic party position officially supports universal healthcare when Bidens own official stance guarantees millions of people remain uninsured.

We don't have universal healthcare because the industries that would most be affected by enacting such a policy have paid our politicians not to support it. That's the only reason. It's universally cheaper and more effective everywhere it's been tried on Earth. It's objectively better than the way we do things by every metric.
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Now your getting it. Pay no attention. To the little man behind the curtain...
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Rob Roy said:
It is involuntary because it is imposed by government, whether you like it or not.

If people do not like it, and refuse to be part of it, are they left completely alone or does something happen to them ?
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Well they would have to be on welfare or a pension to not have the medicare levy taken out.
They will still receive free healthcare of cause they just wont be contributing to the pool. Thats OK, the system is for those vulnerable people.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Lucky Luke said:
Well they would have to be on welfare or a pension to not have the medicare levy taken out.
They will still receive free healthcare of cause they just wont be contributing to the pool. Thats OK, the system is for those vulnerable people.
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"Taken out". "Free healthcare". One of these things is not like the other.

The system can't be there for the " vulnerable people" if it relies on an involuntary inclusion though. Vulnerable means "subject to attack or harm".
Which is exactly what occurs, to noncompliant people.

Aren't people who are involuntarily made part of something, under threat of force, "the vulnerable people" ? That's not okay.

You seem confused about what charity means.
 
BurtMaklin

BurtMaklin

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Rob Roy said:
Well you did admit it, in the sense of one of the meanings of the word admit. As in, you accepted my statement as valid (truthful), but I'll cease nitpicking.

As far as your failing to see all the freedom you're missing out on, have you considered that other people might feel they are missing out on
freedom ?

What would be a good word to describe an involuntary action being forced on other people which makes those other people miss
out on freedom ?
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Do you ever get tired of defining everything in terms of some binary understanding of freedom, where the only thing that has value is personal choice?

Freedom has a cost, just like everything of value. In the case of universal healthcare that cost is monetary. In return for some meaningless pieces of paper, you get the freedom of peace of mind when it comes to the "cost" of healthcare. Priceless!!

You are a slave to the illusion of freedom.
 
VILEPLUME

VILEPLUME

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Rob Roy said:
"Taken out". "Free healthcare". One of these things is not like the other.

The system can't be there for the " vulnerable people" if it relies on an involuntary inclusion though. Vulnerable means "subject to attack or harm".
Which is exactly what occurs, to noncompliant people.

Aren't people who are involuntarily made part of something, under threat of force, "the vulnerable people" ? That's not okay.

You seem confused about what charity means.
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Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Rob Roy said:
"Taken out". "Free healthcare". One of these things is not like the other.

The system can't be there for the " vulnerable people" if it relies on an involuntary inclusion though. Vulnerable means "subject to attack or harm".
Which is exactly what occurs, to noncompliant people.

Aren't people who are involuntarily made part of something, under threat of force, "the vulnerable people" ? That's not okay.

You seem confused about what charity means.
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Well if someone is vulnerable and has no money and hasn't contributed to the levy then yes the health care is free to them. As it should be.
Why shouldn't a homeless person receive the same health care as a car salesman?
 
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