Do you guys rec'd mars hydro 1600 watt led lights? sure are cheap...

Darth Vapour said:

does MArs grow weed ?? what do you classify as shit ?? curious what do you use for lighting ?

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for someone who comes around just to bash led users why on this dying planet would you stand up for mars hydro?

Bonjour
You can find hundreds of grow log who run cxa/b 3050/70 & 3590...then you can compare results!
You didn't say how much you pull from your pannels... (in gpw please!)
CU

interesting appears to grow weed you mention barely ? lol

KarmaPaymentPlan said:

for someone who comes around just to bash led users why on this dying planet would you stand up for mars hydro?

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why cause it will actually grow a plant least from video's i have seen there is always going to be a debate as its junk i look at it as its a entry level level led unit that will grow any plant
but TBH its cheap affordable for the average college person or anyone ,, no different then comparing a Zr1 vette to a chevette to different prices and 2 different performances right
i think i am going to purchase couple just to prove a point that it will grow
you see most people buying again into mars are rather green to the industry or first time growers so yields and plant health is all factors in performance and worried about electrical bill

And truthfully just tired at how everyone bashes them there are some that had warranty issues i am sure it goes across the board for everything that is warrantied yes even my Zr1 Vette had to fight to get warranty fixed things done ..
but at the end of the day Mars Does grow if not they be out of business years ago
are they ????
but for me seriously thinking of possibly purcashing 2 700 watt mars and 2 144's reflectors to do a 5 x 5 grow so that would be a true what 1200 - 1300 watt grow real time wattage ?? you think it would perform having 2 mars in middle of 5 x 5 square and have them 144's beside them making it a full 5 x 5 lit area i bet i wold turn heads or maybe 3 mars 700 down the middle being it has been stated that there rather small and not worried about electrical cost or heat issues

idk why ignored member is tired of mars bashing, when he doesn't even use mars lights. doesn't make any sense....seems to just be trolling, like normal.

mc130p said:

idk why ignored member is tired of mars bashing, when he doesn't even use mars lights. doesn't make any sense....seems to just be trolling, like normal.

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WTF man trolling ??? just because i do not use LED or cob that makes me troll give it a rest any grower not looking at better ways to get yields in any form either lighting or environment
as for this thread yes the mars 1600 watts are priced fairly cheap but again what LED calls watts are far different then actual draw wattage and that is what i look at
question should be what are these 1600's yielding

Darth Vapour said:

WTF man trolling ??? just because i do not use LED or cob that makes me troll give it a rest any grower not looking at better ways to get yields in any form either lighting or environment
as for this thread yes the mars 1600 watts are priced fairly cheap but again what LED calls watts are far different then actual draw wattage and that is what i look at
question should be what are these 1600's yielding

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omg you've had people explain this lighting thing to you inside and out at least 3 different times and then your gonna go of and buy fucking mars to run a sideby side damn your thicker then i thought and a little ashamed

your going by effciency lol and that i find funny really funny who gives a shit does Mars Grow your slowly trying to put cob into the picture here is cob better probably but this is not the thread to spew your agenda again your talking lighting thing the question you need to ask our self will any mars unit grow a plant ??? and lets not dodge the question shit T5's grows plant from start to finish will a mars do it ???

Darth Vapour said:

View attachment 3511365 your going by effciency lol and that i find funny really funny who gives a shit does Mars Grow your slowly trying to put cob into the picture here is cob better probably but this is not the thread to spew your agenda again your talking lighting thing the question you need to ask our self will any mars unit grow a plant ??? and lets not dodge the question shit T5's grows plant from start to finish will a mars do it ???

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Yeah they do until they fail like 2 of mine did and their customer service sucks. They are also liars here's the new Mars Pro series sales pitch


Cree diodes are made in China hahaha

Darth Vapour said:

View attachment 3511365 your going by effciency lol and that i find funny really funny who gives a shit does Mars Grow your slowly trying to put cob into the picture here is cob better probably but this is not the thread to spew your agenda again your talking lighting thing the question you need to ask our self will any mars unit grow a plant ??? and lets not dodge the question shit T5's grows plant from start to finish will a mars do it ???

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sure a mars will grow the plant but the t5 well probably do it better for longer for cheaper do why bother if you already have a light that performs better seems like I've seen this same argument with you maybe you just need some conversation considering how much you argue in all the different sections maybe just a friendly hug is all you need

$ for $ or watt for watt an HPS is substantially superior yielding compared to any Mars product. inefficient LEDs being driven by inefficient drivers, with crap fans, and shining through glass. For $600-$700 you get an awesome 600watt HPS setup with higher PAR values and the ability to duct the heat from the light outside your grow environment with a lot less energy used.

I have a 1600 and it's sitting outside my tent in the event a T5 fixture fails in my veg room. Literally 400watts of T5s have proven to be far more optimal for my setup than the 1600, and I can afford a ton more lights, and bulbs for a lifetime with the savings.

The only time any LED makes sense is if it's QUALITY built, under driven, newer generation, and your in it for the long term (3-5+ years). At no point ever would you see a $ savings in a GPW or G/KWH sense using a mars unit.

Mars is essentially the white trash of the LED world period. Almost every single performance claim they made were hearsay from "members" who suspiciously didn't have English as a primary language and were in the same time zone as "Sara". They finally purchased a junk PAR meter and still don't understand how to interpret the values, so they post raw output and claim how great everything is. They repeatedly refuse to honor their warrentys, make contradicting statements in the same post, make knowingly false claims to sell their junk, and lie on a whim or have people banned from communities they sponsor if it's not positive publicity. Their Amazon store is full of single feedback unverified customers, many who all appear within minutes to give praise, and most of their threads are full of relatively inexperienced growers who only have experience with the MARS brand lights and can't make reasonable comparisons.

If you want LEDs to be a failure, please do purchase their light! You will prove your point in your own mind. If you have at least 1 finger, one thumb, one eye, and 1/10th of a brain you could build your own LED with assistance from this community you live to troll and have an excellent experience with LEDs.

Mars will grow plants, because it's a light. ANY light CAN grow plants. Mars lights just happen to be one of the worst options possible is all.

What a load of shit I am reading regarding the Mars 1600w Led's on here....
I have 2 of these bad boys in my tent (they pull 750w from the wall) each ..
My crops on LED have shit all over anything HPS can pull and my electricity bills are 1/3 of the cost.
This board seems to be full of ppl that either have not ever used these Lights at all or are just hating because they can not afford them
To the OP.... Go get yourself one. Then come back after you grow your plants and let these retards know what is what...

Devious D74 said:

What a load of shit I am reading regarding the Mars 1600w Led's on here....
I have 2 of these bad boys in my tent (they pull 750w from the wall) each ..
My crops on LED have shit all over anything HPS can pull and my electricity bills are 1/3 of the cost.
This board seems to be full of ppl that either have not ever used these Lights at all or are just hating because they can not afford them
To the OP.... Go get yourself one. Then come back after you grow your plants and let these retards know what is what...

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Bonjour
Many ex users here...none are happy!
How much gr do you pull from 1500w of mars?in soil or hydro?
CU

I have a 300 watt mars, dont really care for it, COB is where its at.

littlejacob said:

Bonjour
Many ex users here...none are happy!
How much gr do you pull from 1500w of mars?in soil or hydro?
CU

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I grow in 27 litre Oxypots and 4 plants at a time in a 1.2m x 2.4m x 2.2m tent using house and garden nutes..
My last grow was HSO green crack ...I pulled 642g of dried bud.. That was vegging for 6 weeks and 9 weeks flowering...
I had major issues with power cuts in my area during the grow where the power went out twice for up to several hours at a time which did not help things.
I found the nugs to be more dense and compact than growing under HPS and generally keeps the plants shorter..
The haters on here are going to call bullshit as it fits their agenda.. Say all you like..I am happy with my setup and more importantly it keeps my g/f of my back as the electricity bills are no longer through the roof as they were when I was growing under hps...

Devious D74 said:

I grow in 27 litre Oxypots and 4 plants at a time in a 1.2m x 2.4m x 2.2m tent using house and garden nutes.. My last grow was HSO green crack ...I pulled 642g of dried bud.. That was vegging for 6 weeks and 9 weeks flowering...I had major issues with power cuts in my area during the grow where the power went out twice for up to several hours at a time which did not help things.
I found the nugs to be more dense and compact than growing under HPS and generally keeps the plants shorter..
The haters on here are going to call bullshit as it fits their agenda.. Say all you like..I am happy with my setup and more importantly it keeps my g/f of my back as the electricity bills are no longer through the roof as they were when I was growing under hps...

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Thank you for your honesty, the numbers make sense. You have ~1250W of LED dissipation power between the two lamps. That puts it at .51 grams/W which is not a bad outcome and probably on par with what you would get from a quality HPS setup.

I estimate the Mars LED diodes are running at about 20% efficient overall. So it follows that with a 40% efficient LED you could get 1 gram/W. If you examine the COB based commercial LEDs they cost $5-$6/PAR W, the same as the MARS, but they are at or above the 40% efficiency range. HPS is also in the 35-40% efficiency range but a lot of its light is lost in the reflector.

If you are down for a DIY COB setup, @60% efficient you could reach 1.5gr/W and potentially much more if you tweak your growing system.

Not saying that you should ditch your LEDs, just want to make sure growers that are in the market for new lamps are aware of the numbers and what to expect.

SupraSPL said:

Thank you for your honesty, the numbers make sense. You have ~1250W of LED dissipation power between the two lamps. That puts it at .51 grams /W which is not a bad outcome and probably on par with what you would get from a quality HPS setup.

I estimate the Mars LED diodes are running at about 20% efficient overall. So it follows that with a 40% efficient LED you could get 1 gram/W. If you examine the COB based commercial LEDs they cost $5-$6/PAR W, the same as the MARS, but they are at or above the 40% efficiency range. HPS is also in the 35-40% efficiency range but a lot of its light is lost in the reflector.

If you are down for a DIY COB setup, @60% efficient you could reach 1.5gr/W and potentially much more if you tweak your growing system.

Not saying that you should ditch your LEDs, just want to make sure growers that are in the market for new lamps are aware of the numbers and what to expect.

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Bonjour
Thank you for the math...it is more clear now...20%...it is very low I thought it was around 30%¡¿¡
@Devious D74 you have good growing skill...but the wrong lights to show it!
You could double your gr/w with cheap Vero29 (25.50 $)!
You should try a vero panel...diy it!
Double or triple the gr with the same quality! (Triple with cxb 3590 36V @700mA (23w) so you will need 400w of those (16) on 2 driver MW hlg-185-700b to get the same gr!!! 400w at about 1100$...I guess it will work too with 12x cxb 3590 36V @1400mA on 3 hlg-185-1400b...600w @56% for 1050 $...it is a lot of electricity saved!
Have a great day ★

churchhaze said:

Those warranties are great for all the diodes that burn out on those shit panels. I wonder why they're so prone to burning out...



If it dissipates 600W of electricity, it's ultimately adding ~600W of heat to your grow tent, the same amount of heat a 600W HPS lamp produces and the same amount of heat a 600W MH produces, and the same amount of heat a 600W incandescent produces. 600W. 0.804613254 horsepower. (What weights more, a ton of gold or a ton of feathers?)

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"heat" is 800nm and longer wavelength. the light our plants want is 400-700nm all lights convert electrical energy into electromagnetic waves we want lights that produce the most energy in the 400-700nm range and the least in the 800 and longer range. the heat you need to remove from your grow room is wasted energy.with T5s and LEDs less electrical energy is converted to that long wave "heat" and more is converted to usable light.I don't see HIDs or LEDs at commercial garden centers. what I see is a lot of T8s and a few T5s. the plants they sell do not generate the profit margins that cannabis does so they have to be much more cost effiecient in their approach to growing HIDs were the best available technology 40 years ago when growers started using them but have not evolved much since then. other light sources have evolved and become much more effiecient

PurpleBuz said:

all light eventually gets converted into heat, it may be stored or converted but eventually it gets dissipated as heat. The primary difference which is what you guys don't understand is that different sources convert into light as opposed to heat more efficiently than others and some conversion process store the energy before its converted to heat. but none of that changes the fact that the energy eventually gets dissipated .basic law of entropy

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true energy can not be created or destroyed but not all energy gets converted to heat. a 250 watt HPS in a sealed 2ft by 2ft grow room will raise the temperature of that room more than 250 watts of florescent or leds.this is a simple experiment anyone can try. you won't find the explanation for this in your high school physics book or in a course on quantum mechanics. it requires a deeper understand of applied physics and wave mechanics.

Darth Vapour said:

First of realstyless you should be careful really careful at what you say or do ,, specially in this era of i sue , you sue and other people suing with that said MArs does grow there not claiming there the best of the best and there are thousands of satisfied customers but you keep going on the track your doing it might bite you in the ass
posting vids trying to wreck a mars unit only showed everyone there built rather tough or your just a fem ..
But something you might want to be aware of being you seem to think you can keep thinking your going to hurt them by constantly bothering other forums
Think of Libel or defamation be the last place i would want to be in court with specially with a a corporation or company
one can find them selfs living under a bridge rather fast yeah think ????
So please carry on with your slander who knows may be mars will crush you like a ant like you are .. how much you wanna bet that be a hot topic in any forum cause that is exactly what your trying to do spread your mis labeled beliefs
Does mars work ??? sure it does is it cheap that is the name of the game make it affordable to consumers but at the end of the day its libel and slander what you are doing

Tread carefully

PS you can also say slander but really i really want you to keep dong what your doing specially on social media spread the word man do it cause seriously that is even worse then verbal slandering And why cause you would be a perfect example and deserve everything you get
Libel and Slander
Two torts that involve the communication of false information about a person, a group, or an entity such as acorporation. Libel is any Defamation that can be seen, such as a writing, printing, effigy, movie, or statue. Slander is anydefamation that is spoken and heard.

Collectively known as defamation, libel and slander are civil wrongs that harm a reputation; decrease respect, regard, orconfidence; or induce disparaging, hostile, or disagreeable opinions or feelings against an individual or entity. The injuryto one's good name or reputation is affected through written or spoken words or visual images. The laws governing thesetorts are identical.

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no lawyer is going to sue someone who does not have a lot of money. poor folk can say what they want to without fear of lawyers. mars hydro's do work good when you first get them but they do not last long and im sure that the list of unhappy customers is just as long as the list of "satisfied customers" most people post reviews within a few days of receiving a product and do not wait to see if the product will hold up. and I see no evidence that the information was false. it seems to agree with the experience I've had and that reported by many others.