Does freewill exist?

Does freewill exist?


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raggyb

Well-Known Member
I can't get the song out of my head, Geddy Alex and Neil

You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that’s clear
I will choose free will.

https://www.rush.com/songs/freewill/
 

GroBud

Well-Known Member
You have free will to do anything the legalities of free will should be in question. Government removes free will and imposes man's law from murder to seat belts to weeds in yard. On the other hand they'll let you kill yourself if it'll be profitable. ( adding chemicals to tobacco, prescription pills etc.)
 

GroBud

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Tobacco is the killer
All natural even.
Appreciate that, that's always what I love about these forms. Other people's 2 cents that dont add to the conversation but add to the argumentative conversation. Nice to pick through what people say to pick out a excerpt to correct without adding something to it. My point was we are allowed to do them even tho it kills us, but are restricted form doing other things that dont. Things that cant be tax or attached to a medical bill etc. I said all that you could just respond with tobacco is the killer. Lol what's crazy is you assume all 600 chemicals are found in a plant those 600 chemicals turn into over 7000 when smoked. All that comes from a natural plant youd believe anything.

Acetanisole, Acetic Acid, Acetoin, Acetophenone, 6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane, 2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine, 2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran, Acetylpyrazine, 2-Acetylpyridine, 3-Acetylpyridine, 2-Acetylthiazole, Aconitic Acid, dl-Alanine, Alfalfa Extract, Allspice Extract,Oleoresin, and Oil, Allyl Hexanoate, Allyl Ionone, Almond Bitter Oil, Ambergris Tincture, Ammonia, Ammonium Bicarbonate, Ammonium Hydroxide, Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic, Ammonium Sulfide, Amyl Alcohol, Amyl Butyrate, Amyl Formate, Amyl Octanoate, alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde, Amyris Oil, trans-Anethole, Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil, Anise, Anise Star, Extract and Oils, Anisyl Acetate, Anisyl Alcohol, Anisyl Formate, Anisyl Phenylacetate, Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins, Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate, 1-Arginine, Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil, Ascorbic Acid, 1-Asparagine Monohydrate, 1-Aspartic Acid.

Balsam Peru and Oil, Basil Oil, Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil, Beeswax White, Beet Juice Concentrate, Benzaldehyde, Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal, Benzoic Acid, Benzoin, Benzoin Resin, Benzophenone, Benzyl Alcohol, Benzyl Benzoate, Benzyl Butyrate, Benzyl Cinnamate, Benzyl Propionate, Benzyl Salicylate, Bergamot Oil, Bisabolene, Black Currant Buds Absolute, Borneol, Bornyl Acetate, Buchu Leaf Oil, 1,3-Butanediol, 2,3-Butanedione, 1-Butanol, 2-Butanone, 4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One, Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil, Butyl Acetate, Butyl Butyrate, Butyl Butyryl Lactate, Butyl Isovalerate, Butyl Phenylacetate, Butyl Undecylenate, 3-Butylidenephthalide, Butyric Acid.

Cadinene, Caffeine, Calcium Carbonate, Camphene, Cananga Oil, Capsicum Oleoresin, Caramel Color, Caraway Oil, Carbon Dioxide, Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder, Carob Bean and Extract, beta-Carotene, Carrot Oil, Carvacrol, 4-Carvomenthenol, 1-Carvone, beta-Caryophyllene, beta-Caryophyllene Oxide, Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract, Cassia Bark Oil, Cassie Absolute and Oil, Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute, Cedar Leaf Oil, Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana, Cedrol, Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin, Cellulose Fiber, Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract, Chicory Extract, Chocolate, Cinnamaldehyde, Cinnamic Acid, Cinnamon leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract, Cinnamyl Acetate, Cinnamyl Alcohol, Cinnamyl Cinnamate, Cinnamyl Isovalerate, Cinnamyl Propionate, Citral, Citric Acid, Citronella Oil, dl-Citronellol, Citronellyl Butyrate, Citronellyl Isobutyrate, Civet Absolute, Clary Oil, Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract, Cocoa, Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder, Coconut Oil, Coffee, Cognac White and Green Oil, Copaiba Oil, Coriander Extract and Oil, Corn Oil, Corn Silk, Costus Root Oil, Cubeb Oil, Cuminaldehyde, para-Cymene, 1-Cysteine.

All natural you say, brilliant observation
 
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Dreaming1

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Free will is cheap talk. Hot air over vocal chords. We are following our program without exception. You are free to choose from available options. The options are determined by life. It guides us. It makes you think you want to do the things it has you do. Makes its job easier. If you choose to go against the plans life lays, then you will get to do what it wants you to do, but the hard way. You're choice. Might as well do what you think you want to do. It will make things go smoother.
 

StonedGardener

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Free will is cheap talk. Hot air over vocal chords. We are following our program without exception. You are free to choose from available options. The options are determined by life. It guides us. It makes you think you want to do the things it has you do. Makes its job easier. If you choose to go against the plans life lays, then you will get to do what it wants you to do, but the hard way. You're choice. Might as well do what you think you want to do. It will make things go smoother.
What a f'ing bummer , we all are manipulated by a program......well I did enjoy the " Matrix ".
 

Dreaming1

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What a f'ing bummer , we all are manipulated by a program......well I did enjoy the " Matrix ".
Maybe not a bummer. Depends on mental perspective and physical position. Could be a grand time.
I really liked several parts of the first movie. I just got around to watching M IV last night. It was the same. Good stuff. Cycles, programs, social commentary, free will... I really enjoyed the dialogue where the concept of having a choice was an illusion. I don't watch movies much. I had to watch this one though. :P
 

StonedGardener

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Mental perspective vs what other perspective ? How are " physical position " and programming interdependent ? I need some schooling on this subject !
 

Dreaming1

Well-Known Member
Mental perspective vs what other perspective ? How are " physical position " and programming interdependent ? I need some schooling on this subject !
Mental perspective as two people doing the same job and one loving it while the other finds it unsatisfying. Physical position being the exact set of circumstances one finds themselves to be in. Like socioeconomic status.
Set and setting.
The good news is that there is free will. The bad news is it's not always our own will.
 

hillbill

Well-Known Member
Yes, free will can be predicted and understood to some level which leaves free will vulnerable to attacks and manipulation. I am now choosing to check another thread.
 

eye exaggerate

Well-Known Member
It’s not whether it exists or not, it’s how you approach it. We didn’t, or do not remember having a say in being here, and we don’t have a say in the hereafter. All that there is left is to consider that here in 3D there are laws that all must follow - you can’t choose to skirt gravity, for instance, without mechanical advantage that works within the laws. What is left, then, is the conditioning of our consciousness. Go ahead and run headlong into a wall, that’s up to you, but, do that enough and your consciousness will suffer as a result. That’s cause and effect, a law.
 
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