Does government have the "authority" to force mandatory vaccinations on unwilling individuals ? Where does that authority come from ?

mooray said:

Go back and read, I said I thought you were a moderate with a couple hard right quirks. I say that because I know your entire persona isn't based on those quirks. We all have them. We have a general core viewpoint, then some outliers. Those outliers don't make up who we are. If you don't want to believe words that are recorded on the previous page, that's a you-thing and not a me-thing.

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I'm not a moderate though. I might coincidentally agree with some things points that the right also supports, since I don't operate on a herd mentality attitude, but I'm still much further towards left than center.

PJ Diaz said:

That's not true. I have mounted many defenses. Every time I post any facts I get banned from the thread. I'm sure I will be banned from this one too.

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I cannot remember a one with links to the peer-reviewed literature. Link me to one about the pandemic this calendar year, and I will publicly recant.

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I'm not a moderate though. I might coincidentally agree with some things points that the right also supports, since I don't operate on a herd mentality attitude, but I'm still much further towards left than center.

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That's fine, the point was that I didn't pigeonhole you into the outlier. I didn't take that little slice of you and try to make it into all of you.

mooray said:

That's fine, the point was that I didn't pigeonhole you into the outlier. I didn't take that little slice of you and try to make it into all of you.

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You're still attempting at labeling me though. You guys are so worried about vetting opinions as left, right or center, that you lose focus of the debate all together.

Category fail. I said peer-reviewed. This plainly is not. You know who uses derivative reporting? Trolls.

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You're still attempting at labeling me though. You guys are so worried about vetting opinions as left, right or center, that you lose focus of the debate all together.

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You're labeling yourself, so that's kind of void. The issue now seems to be that you disagree between left and moderate, but that's no biggie. They're neighbors, not a different neighborhood.

I'm just stating my opinion in flow with the conversation. If I were worried about something, then you'd see it stand out. We'd be talking about how to cook eggs and then I'd start talking about your political opinions. That's not what's happening.

I'm just letting you know that you made an incorrect accusation. If you don't want to talk about it, then stop talking about it. Me, I'm fine with talking about it. It's just a chat.

This isn't peer reviewed either, but it's data from Pfizer regarding the adverse events associated with their vaccine, see attached.

PJ Diaz said:

This isn't peer reviewed either, but it's data from Pfizer regarding the adverse events associated with their vaccine, see attached.

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Primary peer-reviewed documents, such as Nature, Lancet or NEJM. This is the non-negotiable standard.

cannabineer said:

Category fail. I said peer-reviewed. This plainly is not. You know who uses derivative reporting? Trolls.

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It's an article which includes data from Michigan Department of Health and Human Services. I'm sorry that you don't believe their data to be "peer reviewed".

Of course this isn't a Covid thread, but what is the threshold for adverse effects? Because everything has adverse effects, so roughly where is the line drawn?

PJ Diaz said:

It's an article which includes data from Michigan Department of Health and Human Services. I'm sorry that you don't believe their data to be "peer reviewed".

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It isn’t if it isn’t in one of the few peer-reviewed journals. Monographs e.g. are not peer-reviewed, and a lot of authorial bias oozes through. I am setting this standard because there is no other.

cannabineer said:

Primary peer-reviewed documents, such as Nature, Lancet or NEJM. This is the non-negotiable standard.

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I have posted from them as well.

mooray said:

Of course this isn't a Covid thread, but what is the threshold for adverse effects? Because everything has adverse effects, so roughly where is the line drawn?

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No idea. Judgment call by pros outside of my old area.

mooray said:

Of course this isn't a Covid thread, but what is the threshold for adverse effects? Because everything has adverse effects, so roughly where is the line drawn?

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Read the paper and find out.

PJ Diaz said:

I have posted from them as well.

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If that were so, you’d have linked. No link, no love.

Can you send a link to it from a legit domain?

cannabineer said:

If that were so, you’d have linked. No link, no love.

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Sorry, I just can't be fussed to go find a post from last year for you.

mooray said:

Can you send a link to it from a legit domain?

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Naw, I already sent it once.

How were you able to add your personal notes to it?

mooray said:

How were you able to add your personal notes to it?

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I didn't add anything.

mooray said:

How were you able to add your personal notes to it?

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This was fun, but it's time for me to go now. Attached is a copy of the redacted version, if you prefer that instead.