Dry Ice??

abudsmoker

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Yea, I like the clean look of the second pick. Then do i just calculate the size of my room and let it off so many psi for so many minutes?
Peace
yes you see in the last shot it is dumping co2@ 5scfm in the dark i am putting the room level @ 1600 ppm when the lights kick on the room will start using the gas, at this point the timer will kick on the co2 15 minutes on 15 off all the way through lights off
 

Tokecrazy

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Hello everybody,around here theres only one place I can get it.Its $1.25 per lb..The funny thing is my dad was a truck driver for a gas company,I have been around co2/dryice when I was kid.Long time ago they use it to keep airline food cool or frozen.Dad would have to cut it on a bandsaw and put it in these wax papper sanwich bags.Any way dryice is made by pumping liquid co2 into a 50 ton hydraulic press under pressure.Making a 200 lb block of ice,then cut into 4 blocks at 50lbs each.They would store the blocks in these large insulated boxes and put a 8" thick insulated blanket over the top.It would keep for about 10 or 12 days in the boxes.If you put the ice in a deepfreezer it will evaporate from the moisture in the freezer.DO NOT PUT DRYICE IN A GLASS CONTAINER with a lid,or glass at all.DO NOT COOL,OR PUT IT ON CARBONATED DRINKS{it will blow them up}real fast.Rap the dryice in a sunday new papper and put it in a good insulated cooler and put papper over the top and close the lid.It will keep longer that way.OH YES DO NOT TOUCH IT WITH YOUR HANDS,WEAR OVEN MITS,cause it will burn you.It will peal the skin right off your hands.Vidoman and Budsmoke can tell about how to use it and they are right on it.I just know how its made and how to store it.Boy that brings back memories of my childhood and the 5cent cokeacola in a 6oz glass bottle and a 10cent candy bar.To a kid 25 cent in that day you were a Donald Trump. :blsmoke: Peace
 

videoman40

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Hey Buddy, The dryice costs me $14.00 for a 50lb block.
Yes the temps are more easily controlled in this way,
most days, I can use the dryice for a 12 hour stint without ever having to exhaust the room till lights out. Having the temp at
canopy level remaining at about 89 degrees.

Personally, I get about 3 days using it this way, I realize I could get more if I used the ice chest method, but thats not my goal.
I like the cooling effect it offers.

Dryice is about -80 degrees below zero. It blows the cool co2 across the bottom of my light, than it falls onto my plants.

It really does frost up the plants nicely, not sure if you can see it, but I'll post a pic for ya.....


video, why do you like ice the most, the temp control issue? and what does a block of ice run you as pictured.
 

Tokecrazy

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Cool videoman You say 3 days on a 50 lb block,How many blocks do you use for a grow?How long dose a 20# cylinder last?On my next grow I would like too use co2.Looks like with dryice you get cooling and the co2 benefit for your plants.Nice pixs too.Peace
 

videoman40

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I use about one block per week. The tanks last me about 3 weeks.
Peace

Cool videoman You say 3 days on a 50 lb block,How many blocks do you use for a grow?How long dose a 20# cylinder last?On my next grow I would like too use co2.Looks like with dryice you get cooling and the co2 benefit for your plants.Nice pixs too.Peace
 

Tokecrazy

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Hey budsmoker You know a bit about co2 regulator,and the ones at the hydro shop are $130.00&up.I found this on the web for $78.00.co2-canisters.com wondering if they are any good for a closet grow?What's your take on this model {Millwaukee ma957}.If they are any good I will get one for sure. Peace
 

micknort

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hi guys
noob question, have a room 3.5met x 1.5met and 2met high
have 8 plants growing.
what co2 setup do i need, if i use gas where do i position the outlet
( it falls down being heavier than air correct? )
i have my plants in a 2 tables of 4 and 4 600w lights , growing in clay drip fed and my outlet fan is on during light hours.
what will be best.?
i found these control things cheap should i buy ? firts second
thanx in advance
peace
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
I would use a co2 tank injection setup for this setup with a timer and an electric solenoid so you can hook it to an automated timer.I set my 20 lb co2 tank to run for 3 minutes at 2 cfm 6 times per 12 hours of light.You will counter time your fans opposite this.Basically I wont exhaust any air anymore as you want to keep the co2 in the room so all you really need is to bring air in so I have my co2 released then I set my air intake fan on a timer to come on 1 hour and 40 minutes later to kick on bring new air into the room for 15 minutes then the next co2 kicks on just as that fan shuts down and the vent damper closes sealing the duct again.So you will need the 20 lb co2 tank ( about $185 new )the electronic solenoid (around $165 new) about $20 bucks per tank fill of co2 need about 1-2 fills amonth,hose to hang above the plants as co2 is heavier and falls, a good digital timer about $30 bucks new, and a hose stopper to fit the end of the hose closed with.Thats the basic setup.You can buy used stuff and save some cash.I have a 10 lbs tank for $70 plus shipping or a 20 lb tank for $100 plus shipping if your looking and in the US.
 

micknort

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is this info correct
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is a colorless, odorless gas that is found in small quantities in the air, and is essential for plant life, without it plants could not survive.
Carbon dioxide is absorbed by the plants and during photosynthesis the CO2 is is split into it's basic elements, carbon and oxygen. Small amounts of oxygen are used by the plant but most of the oxygen are released back into the atmosphere.The carbon is combined with water (H2O) in the presence of light to form a sugar molecule. The plants then convert the sugar into carbohydrates. When the plant absorbs nutrients (primarily nitrogen from the roots) they are combined with the carbohydrates to form new plant tissue. This process is called photosynthesis. The entire process is only as good as its weakest link. If any of the required ingredients (light, CO2, water and nutrients) are at a level below that which the plant can use for maximum efficiency, the plant will not perform at it's full potential.In other words, if you inject CO2 into a system that is not receiving enough light or nutrients the results will be disappointing. We here at Hydro-U recommend that CO2 injection should only be done by experienced gardeners with a good working knowledge of their gardening system. Once a gardener is comfortable with the workings of their system and plant growth, CO2 can be a great benefit, however there are a lot of variables involved with using CO2 and beginners can really have their hands full, increasing the likelihood of a disaster (like total death of the entire crop).
There are several conditions that must be met for the plants to be able to use the increased CO2 levels properly. The most important is lighting. Light levels must be very high (more than 20 watts per square foot) or there will be little or no increase in plant growth rates. The plants will like slightly higher temperatures than normal (approx. 3 - 5 degrees higher). The plants will also metabolize water and nutrients faster, so reservoirs may need a little more attention.
Plants can absorb and process very large amounts of CO2. There is usually about 300 to 600 p.p.m. (parts per million) of CO2 in the atmosphere. Most plants can use 1500 p.p.m. in optimum growing conditions. When using elevated levels of CO2 the growth rate can be increased by as much as 100% to 200%. Most studies report increases in the 40% to 50% range.
The ideal situation would be to keep the CO2 levels at optimum at all times. This would require constant injection of low levels of gas (constantly replacing what the plants are using). This is not practical in most situations as venting of the growing environment is often needed to control heat build up. In these cases CO2 injection should be done immediately following venting.
The biggest problem that people encounter when using CO2 is that they get carried away, they think that a little is good so a lot is better....NOT! When CO2 levels approach 2000 p.p.m. most plants will die. High levels of CO2 are also toxic to humans, primarily due to oxygen deficiency. Before injecting CO2 the room should be vented to remove excess CO2 that might be left over from the previous injection, this prevents the build up of CO2 that could harm the plants.
There are several ways to get extra CO2, the two most common are using bottled CO2 and using CO2 generators. These are the automated ways to add CO2 to the growing environment. Getting precise control of the CO2 levels in your growing environment can be rather expensive, CO2 monitors are the best method, these monitors keep a constant reading of the C levels and automatically adds gas when needed. These monitors are fairly expensive so most people opt for a more inexpensive method (like timers).
There are also several "low-tech" ways to increase CO2 levels. Additional information about using all these methods follows:
Using Bottled CO2

There are several ways to introduce CO2 into the growing environment. Probably the most popular method is to used bottled gas. This type of CO2 injection consists of a CO2 tank, a pressure gauge (monitors how much gas is remaining in the tank), a flow meter (to monitor the amount of gas being released), a solenoid valve (turns the flow of gas on and off as needed) and a method of controlling the solenoid valve (a timer or other controller).
To insure that your garden is receiving enough (but not too much) CO2 from your bottled system, I have included the following charts (see below) that can be easily followed to determine how long you need to emit gas to bring the CO2 levels up to 1000 (first chart)p.p.m. or 1500 p.p.m.(second chart). Charts are supplied by Green Air Products.

see next post for info and chart!!!!!!!!!!1
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trapper

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What if your gas furnace is right by your grow,and the pilot light is burning all summer and in winter does the gas furnace give off c02.
 

trapper

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not enough from pilot light.how about when shes roaring at 40 below outside.or im i just hopeing for something thats not there.
 

micknort

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i tried copy and paste but it didnt put the table in so it was messed up. better for people to see the whole thing then they wont get confused like i do lol
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
is your furnace propane as most are natural gas which gives off a different by product then propane co2
 

hydgrow

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I have over the months collected a CO2 tank and then a regulator and now I think I need a solenoid so I can put it on a timer right? Any help is very appreciated I need a link to what I need I tried ebay but can only find the whole setup dont want to pay 130.00 + I think I have most of the stuff they are selling except the solenoid and the metal fitting for the solenoid. thanks
 
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