Dumb newb on their fourth grow

I've been growing since I had a stroke that put me on my back about two years ago. My first was 5 auto blue mystics under a 125 CFL lamp in 1/2 pots (really plastic bowls I repurposed). Out of those five plants I got 11 grams. Sad I know but I was super new. Now I have had a little practice. Currently I have a 400Wt HPS w/ the 125 CFL growing three berry ryder, one freebie auto Mazar, and a bag seed a friend gave me. I'm in the first week of veg with the autos and two weeks into the bag seed. I'm growing in 2 gallon pots for the autos and a three gallon for the bag seed (My friend said it was from a strain that has been floating around my area called 'MOB'). I'm using Fox Farm ocean floor mix.

Since it's a small closet grow with room for about 6 to 8 plants if I Tetris that shit in there what small things can I do to improve my grow? One friend suggested adding mirrors to reflect the light some.

Sanita Squirrel said:

I've been growing since I had a stroke that put me on my back about two years ago. My first was 5 auto blue mystics under a 125 CFL lamp in 1/2 pots (really plastic bowls I repurposed). Out of those five plants I got 11 grams. Sad I know but I was super new. Now I have had a little practice. Currently I have a 400Wt HPS w/ the 125 CFL growing three berry ryder, one freebie auto Mazar, and a bag seed a friend gave me. I'm in the first week of veg with the autos and two weeks into the bag seed. I'm growing in 2 gallon pots for the autos and a three gallon for the bag seed (My friend said it was from a strain that has been floating around my area called 'MOB'). I'm using Fox Farm ocean floor mix.

Since it's a small closet grow with room for about 6 to 8 plants if I Tetris that shit in there what small things can I do to improve my grow? One friend suggested adding mirrors to reflect the light some.

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no whats happening has nothing to do with light reflection..... one .. your production issues are related to the fox farm mix your using.. all those soil mixes are low producing mixes.. I've ran every single one you can think of..

send me a message so we can speak directly

but also remember your running auto flowers.. they aren't massive producers anyway. having stable good quality genetics is so important. but also is your room heated? cold soil creates very very low production as well if the pot is touching the floor it will keep the soil and root zone really cold... as well as keeping the soil too wet does the same and lowers production

phil k said:

but also remember your running auto flowers.. they aren't massive producers anyway. having stable good quality genetics is so important. but also is your room heated? cold soil creates very very low production as well if the pot is touching the floor it will keep the soil and root zone really cold... as well as keeping the soil too wet does the same and lowers production

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The pots are off the floor so that's not an issue. I was going to invest in some smart pots and have a 50% perlite mix into the soil for better air circulation. I am considering a small hydro set up as well. Space is a slight issue since it's a closet grow that is 5ft X 1 1/2 ft and about 8 ft high (I removed the drop ceiling for more space). Ventilation is a tower fan and odor control is a fuck ton of pancake scented candles. I live in an apartment and the electrical is included in the rent. The average temp is between 75 F and 85 F.

Sanita Squirrel said:

The pots are off the floor so that's not an issue. I was going to invest in some smart pots and have a 50% perlite mix into the soil for better air circulation. I am considering a small hydro set up as well. Space is a slight issue since it's a closet grow that is 5ft X 1 1/2 ft and about 8 ft high (I removed the drop ceiling for more space). Ventilation is a tower fan and odor control is a fuck ton of pancake scented candles. I live in an apartment and the electrical is included in the rent. The average temp is between 75 F and 85 F.

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dont do the smart pots.... they leach humidity like mad... the water leaches out the sides when you water sometimes.. they don't produce roots on the sides of the pots because they dry out and allow light... we used to give them away all the time with out soil and last year we stopped because all the issues...


if your properly oxygenating your water smart pots are pointless... its a sales gimic

Okay, how do you go about oxygenating? Only thing I can think of is earth worms.

no you just get a fish tank pump and pump air into the water like you would a fish tank.. it raises the oxygen levels in the water ... there is a lazy way you can supplement GROW STORE h202.. at 1ML per 5 gallon (VERY VERY LITTLE) you add that to your water EVERY other watering... no need for every water... but id just do the air stone... its really only needed when the plants a bit more mature basic water carries .001% oxygen so as low as that is until your plants like 3 weeks that little bit should be enough

phil k said:

no you just get a fish tank pump and pump air into the water like you would a fish tank.. it raises the oxygen levels in the water ... there is a lazy way you can supplement GROW STORE h202.. at 1ML per 5 gallon (VERY VERY LITTLE) you add that to your water EVERY other watering... no need for every water... but id just do the air stone... its really only needed when the plants a bit more mature basic water carries .001% oxygen so as low as that is until your plants like 3 weeks that little bit should be enough

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Ah, I get what you're talking about! Yeah, I haven't set up a hydro grow yet. I'm thinking of that soon though. Right now it's still soil until I save up some money for the switch over. That will likely be my next harvest. I might also grab another 400 wt HPS.

Sanita Squirrel said:

Ah, I get what you're talking about! Yeah, I haven't set up a hydro grow yet. I'm thinking of that soon though. Right now it's still soil until I save up some money for the switch over. That will likely be my next harvest. I might also grab another 400 wt HPS.

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hydro is 10x more work if you haven't ran hydro id really go visit someone who does it and truly does it properly... theres so much more that goes into hydro... trust me if you do soil properly your going to be in the same humber range as you would with a small hydro setup... with 1/2 the headaches and issues.. i ran hydro from like 2003-2009 you couldn't pay me to go back EVER ...

Hey man you can buy reflective mylar sheets you can stick on the walls with double sided tape, reflection can help a lot.
Also smart pots are a great investment, true they dont have roots at the edges because the o2 stops them, the benefit of that is you dont get rootbound plant that wrap around the pot causing the plant to be rootbound, you get nice loose roots, 25 years of professional arborist exoerience will tell you its a good way to go .yeah don't do hydro till you get a grip on growing the plant properly.
Keep it simple and youll get some dank shit man

phil k said:

dont do the smart pots.... they leach humidity like mad... the water leaches out the sides when you water sometimes.. they don't produce roots on the sides of the pots because they dry out and allow light... we used to give them away all the time with out soil and last year we stopped because all the issues...


if your properly oxygenating your water smart pots are pointless... its a sales gimic

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You obviously don't know what you are talking about!its called air pruning buddy! And it creates a massive root base..smh!

mr sunshine said:

You obviously don't know what you are talking about!its called air pruning buddy! And it creates a massive root base..smh!

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no i know what I'm talking about... i gave smart pots away for YEARS when people purchased our soil system. i wouldn't give them to anyone ever again.. its very simple.. your roots don't grow to the edge.. they actually stop 1/4" away from the edges except on the base.. CANNABIS plants will only grow a few inches OUTSIDE of their root circumference ... so please explain to me how smart pots are better when your roots can't expand to the edge? you will not only have a less wide plant, your roots aren't extending or wrapping around the grow container which allows the branches of the plant to extend further.... SO NO its not better BUDDY...

Smart pots also LEECH MASSIVE amounts of humidity compared to using plastic pots..they are nearly impossible to water without any water flowinging everywhere out of the container..

phil k said:

no i know what I'm talking about... i gave smart pots away for YEARS when people purchased our soil system. i wouldn't give them to anyone ever again.. its very simple.. your roots don't grow to the edge.. they actually stop 1/4" away from the edges except on the base.. CANNABIS plants will only grow a few inches OUTSIDE of their root circumference ... so please explain to me how smart pots are better when your roots can't expand to the edge? you will not only have a less wide plant, your roots aren't extending or wrapping around the grow container which allows the branches of the plant to extend further.... SO NO its not better BUDDY...

Smart pots also LEECH MASSIVE amounts of humidity compared to using plastic pots..they are nearly impossible to water without any water flowinging everywhere out of the container..

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Smart pots air prune roots as they get pruned they split and get redirect back towards the center of the pot creating more roots . again you're talking out of your ass.. smart pots have been tested and it's a fact that they produce bigger root balls And bigger trees...If your humidity goes up you get a dehumidifier. It's not rocket science man..besides ,those people going into your shop are noobs... anyone that buys your soil is a noob.. If they weren't they would make it themselves. The best growers in the world grow in smart pots...have you ever grew 10 lb tree's? I've seen it...SMART POTS

mr sunshine said:

Smart pots air prune roots as they get pruned they split and get redirect back towards the center of the pot creating more roots . again you're talking out of your ass.. smart pots have been tested and it's a fact that they produce bigger root balls And bigger trees...If your humidity goes up you get a dehumidifier. It's not rocket science man..besides ,those people going into your shop are noobs... anyone that buys your soil is a noob.. If they weren't they would make it themselves. The best growers in the world grow in smart pots...have you ever grew 10 lb tree's? I've seen it...SMART POTS

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seriously are we going to play stupid.. think of what your saying.. it redirects the roots to grow inwards.. YOUR GROWING IN A POT WHEN THEY HIT THE WALL REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR USING YOUR GOING TO REVERT THE ROOTS BACK!!!!!!!! when your killing the outer root production and the pots are drying the roots DRY TOO weakening and killing them.... i don't care what you think you've seen in a smart pot.. ITS NOT THE POINT!!!!! clearly your not understanding the process

phil k said:

seriously are we going to play stupid.. think of what your saying.. it redirects the roots to grow inwards.. YOUR GROWING IN A POT WHEN THEY HIT THE WALL REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR USING YOUR GOING TO REVERT THE ROOTS BACK!!!!!!!! when your killing the outer root production and the pots are drying the roots DRY TOO weakening and killing them.... i don't care what you think you've seen in a smart pot.. ITS NOT THE POINT!!!!! clearly your not understanding the process

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Fuck no. They spiral around it dude..and smart pots don't just kill roots they air prune, those branch out towards the center creating more.. ask sombody bro..just because you gave a few away doesn't mean you know anything about them. have you ever used one?

phil k said:

seriously are we going to play stupid.. think of what your saying.. it redirects the roots to grow inwards.. YOUR GROWING IN A POT WHEN THEY HIT THE WALL REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR USING YOUR GOING TO REVERT THE ROOTS BACK!!!!!!!! when your killing the outer root production and the pots are drying the roots DRY TOO weakening and killing them.... i don't care what you think you've seen in a smart pot.. ITS NOT THE POINT!!!!! clearly your not understanding the process

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mr sunshine said:

Fuck no. They spiral around it dude..and smart pots don't just kill roots they air prune, those branch out towards the center creating more.. ask gardenboss bro ask Jj bro..just because you gave a few away doesn't mean you know anything about them. have you ever used one?

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lol i grew with only them for years... thats why i gave them away i supported the hell out of them.. till i really knew what the heck i was talking about.. unlike you.. your still not getting the point your killing OUTER ROOTS WHY!!!!!!???? your plant only grows inches outside its root zone so why make your plant taller??? do you know how energy is focused to your plant.. if your plants roots are pruned it grows up faster instead of out and bushy so you have a 5 foot tall 2 ft wie plant instead of a 3 foot tall 3 foot wide plant.. THE TALLER ROOT PRUNED PLANT is going to take more energy out of its day to transfer food from the roots to the tip of the plants bud production as opposed to a plant with un pruned roots which would be wider.. and use less energy to make food travel and more to plump up your nugs... so again why is make sing your root zone smaller and denser better?

phil k said:

lol i grew with only them for years... thats why i gave them away i supported the hell out of them.. till i really knew what the heck i was talking about.. unlike you.. your still not getting the point your killing OUTER ROOTS WHY!!!!!!???? your plant only grows inches outside its root zone so why make your plant taller??? do you know how energy is focused to your plant.. if your plants roots are pruned it grows up faster instead of out and bushy so you have a 5 foot tall 2 ft wie plant instead of a 3 foot tall 3 foot wide plant.. THE TALLER ROOT PRUNED PLANT is going to take more energy out of its day to transfer food from the roots to the tip of the plants bud production as opposed to a plant with un pruned roots which would be wider.. and use less energy to make food travel and more to plump up your nugs... so again why is make sing your root zone smaller and denser better?

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LOOK I'm not saying they are bad IM TELLING YOU your killing outer roots and you don't want a tight root ball you want a massive root system

mr sunshine said:

Fuck no. They spiral around it dude..and smart pots don't just kill roots they air prune, those branch out towards the center creating more.. ask gardenboss bro ask Jj bro..just because you gave a few away doesn't mean you know anything about them. have you ever used one?

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please tell me this is less of a system then what you get in your smart pots...

TARZAN CAN SWING FROM THOSE FU@*ERS LOL

phil k said:

no i know what I'm talking about... i gave smart pots away for YEARS when people purchased our soil system. i wouldn't give them to anyone ever again.. its very simple.. your roots don't grow to the edge.. they actually stop 1/4" away from the edges except on the base.. CANNABIS plants will only grow a few inches OUTSIDE of their root circumference ... so please explain to me how smart pots are better when your roots can't expand to the edge? you will not only have a less wide plant, your roots aren't extending or wrapping around the grow container which allows the branches of the plant to extend further.... SO NO its not better BUDDY...

Smart pots also LEECH MASSIVE amounts of humidity compared to using plastic pots..they are nearly impossible to water without any water flowinging everywhere out of the container..

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Look at my very young plant. Already way more then a few inches away from their root circumference. .you're wrong again bro..



[QUTE="phil k, post: 11551441, member: 901641"]lol i grew with only them for years... thats why i gave them away i supported the hell out of them.. till i really knew what the heck i was talking about.. unlike you.. your still not getting the point your killing OUTER ROOTS WHY!!!!!!???? your plant only grows inches outside its root zone so why make your plant taller??? do you know how energy is focused to your plant.. if your plants roots are pruned it grows up faster instead of out and bushy so you have a 5 foot tall 2 ft wie plant instead of a 3 foot tall 3 foot wide plant.. THE TALLER ROOT PRUNED PLANT is going to take more energy out of its day to transfer food from the roots to the tip of the plants bud production as opposed to a plant with un pruned roots which would be wider.. and use less energy to make food travel and more to plump up your nugs... so again why is make sing your root zone smaller and denser better?[/QUOTE]




You're wrong man its air pruning not killing you don't seem to understand the benefits of air pruning. .I suggest you don't spread false information bro. It makes your company look bad..