Dwarfs in a box

Icu420

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Day 44 since out of earth
30 since 12/12
16 since first lil pistils
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I don't think this is going to yield much at all... Wouldn't be surprised by 10-15g budtotal but a lot of plant material for oil is great.
 
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Oldbudman

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Day 15

I've made a new frame that can hold up to 24 light bulbs and using 9-10 should be fine
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I have moved the plants down and 8-9 inches from the lights.

Will put in at least 2 more 3000s at 17watts and probably 3 more 9watt 4ks for good measure.

Plants look good to me and are starting to cover the lightprint.
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I am considering cutting some leafs in half as to avoid overlap and i think it could be wise to strip away the growth that is developing in the shadows like the new leafs and branches growing at the lower nodes.
I won't do it lest i get some in detail guidance tho.

It looks to me like these will get too big and that the space is better suited for a shorter or rather a less intensive vegetation period like 24-0 for only a week or going straight to 12-12 from seed.

However if i end up with only 1 female then i think that i will appreciate having given it 2 weeks and could have done 3-4 but pot size will limit growth at or beyond that point as i understand it.

As far as i understand it the yield is expected to increase rather exponentially according to the intensity of vegetation.

I did take a picture of a node that looked like it had some balls on it but i couldn't find back to it
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I will keep checking up on them every day
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I am seeing these purple stems and i wonder if this isn't a sign of deficiency, have seen it being a calcium / magnesium in other grows.
Will ask around and add some ground coffee if appropriate.

After reading some i figure that It's probably not appropriate as these are clear purple rather than reddish pink, as i gather the general consensus is that if it's straight purple and not accompanied by other symptoms then it's more likely purpledurple genetics andor made pronounced due to rather rapid & distinct temperature fluctuations.
How many Watts do all them bulbs draw from the wall? Just wondered why u use so many and not using the traditional lighting.. Curious not seen many grow doing it that way.. Looking good.. What temps do u have day n nyt what's your rh. PH is all factors iam interested in as traditional lighting is expensive gl again m8
 

Icu420

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How many Watts do all them bulbs draw from the wall? Just wondered why u use so many and not using the traditional lighting.. Curious not seen many grow doing it that way.. Looking good.. What temps do u have day n nyt what's your rh. PH is all factors iam interested in as traditional lighting is expensive gl again m8
9 of them draw 148 from the wall. I use these because they are cheap and easy to work with.

My temps are 26-19 in flowering. The temps were a mess as i was figuring things out in the early weeks andinb4 proper circulation.

My ph is still a mess and has been too low up until this point. I am going to pick up measuring tools today or tomorrow and do a flush.

I also messed up the LST as i bent them too late and it turned out to be a a 90 degree angle, looks brutal.

My biggest mistake was definitely being ph ignorant for so long.

RH is probably 30-40 because but this i am guessing. It feels neither dry nor wet.

Next grow i will have all these things dialed in and i will be happy with this grow even if i was to chop it now. That because these stalks & leaves have so much oils that will make for great oil mix.

I've been vaping all the trim and potency was quite good :)

The bulbs are very good, the 17w are 1500 lumens but one can get 20w @ 2500 albeit in fewer colors. I've seen a couple logs with even 10watt led bulbs and admirable results.

Btw your 2nd grow is shockingly frosty, very good job.
 

Oldbudman

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9 of them draw 148 from the wall. I use these because they are cheap and easy to work with.

My temps are 26-19 in flowering. The temps were a mess as i was figuring things out in the early weeks andinb4 proper circulation.

My ph is still a mess and has been too low up until this point. I am going to pick up measuring tools today or tomorrow and do a flush.

I also messed up the LST as i bent them too late and it turned out to be a a 90 degree angle, looks brutal.

My biggest mistake was definitely being ph ignorant for so long.

RH is probably 30-40 because but this i am guessing. It feels neither dry nor wet.

Next grow i will have all these things dialed in and i will be happy with this grow even if i was to chop it now. That because these stalks & leaves have so much oils that will make for great oil mix.

I've been vaping all the trim and potency was quite good :)

The bulbs are very good, the 17w are 1500 lumens but one can get 20w @ 2500 albeit in fewer colors. I've seen a couple logs with even 10watt led bulbs and admirable results.

Btw your 2nd grow is shockingly frosty, very good job.
You have done good to m8. U will be happy with your end result for sure. U got me thinking now. Get myself a few n do my seeds under.. Never even crosses my mindn ty m8. I prefer lots of frost. As it only a hobby grow. For myself.. Gl m8
 

Icu420

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You have done good to m8. U will be happy with your end result for sure. U got me thinking now. Get myself a few n do my seeds under.. Never even crosses my mindn ty m8. I prefer lots of frost. As it only a hobby grow. For myself.. Gl m8
I can only hope that my crystals will grow crystals like those you got :)
 

Oldbudman

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I can only hope that my crystals will grow crystals like those you got :)
Think it's dwn to genetics or could be just my set up. Dialed in at the mo iam hoping they bulk up still got about 30/35 days left. So in my head if iam where iam at 55.then shud at least double. My last grow I had to put catchers under them thc started to drip..
 

Oldbudman

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Think it's dwn to genetics or could be just my set up. Dialed in at the mo iam hoping they bulk up still got about 30/35 days left. So in my head if iam where iam at 55.then shud at least double. My last grow I had to put catchers under them thc started to drip..
Won't let me put a vid up for some reason.
 

Icu420

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Won't let me put a vid up for some reason.
I will also follow suit and try out one of your strains

blue cookies
zkittlez

What was the first grow strain and which would you reccomend for frost? I've always wanted to try some dank frosty bud.

I've never heard of plants leaking thc, thats amazing. I've seen a picture of a plant leaking 'sap' from a burst vein tho.
 

Icu420

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Day 45 since out of earth
31 since 12/12
17 since first lil pistils

Measured rainwater ph at ~6.75
Runoff from monday was ~7.5 and that probably due to ash that i top dressed

I measured with ph measuring liquid so it's not 100%. I got a mechanical 3 in 1 soil ph test as well but it's broken and needs replacement.

I do think that the ph has been closer to optimal than i thought and will flush them properly tomorrow to get rid of excess salts and neutralize the ash alkalinity.

The buds got what looks like a 2nd set of pistils and are fattening up now.

The smell is negligible and there isn't much ice on them yet.
 

Oldbudman

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Day 45 since out of earth
31 since 12/12
17 since first lil pistils

Measured rainwater ph at ~6.75
Runoff from monday was ~7.5 and that probably due to ash that i top dressed

I measured with ph measuring liquid so it's not 100%. I got a mechanical 3 in 1 soil ph test as well but it's broken and needs replacement.

I do think that the ph has been closer to optimal than i thought and will flush them properly tomorrow to get rid of excess salts and neutralize the ash alkalinity.

The buds got what looks like a 2nd set of pistils and are fattening up now.

The smell is negligible and there isn't much ice on them yet.
Iam not sure why my bud always as so much frost on them tbh. I just make sure everything is dailed in.. Temps. Rh. PH. Mybe that's why. Just need to get the yeild ryt.. When u see peeps pulling Lbs off. Best iv done is 5 oz. Wet. 3.5oz wen dry. Not to bad really for a hobby grow.. Gl n happy growing. M8
 

Oldbudman

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I will also follow suit and try out one of your strains

blue cookies
zkittlez

What was the first grow strain and which would you reccomend for frost? I've always wanted to try some dank frosty bud.

I've never heard of plants leaking thc, thats amazing. I've seen a picture of a plant leaking 'sap' from a burst vein tho.
Day 45 since out of earth
31 since 12/12
17 since first lil pistils

Measured rainwater ph at ~6.75
Runoff from monday was ~7.5 and that probably due to ash that i top dressed

I measured with ph measuring liquid so it's not 100%. I got a mechanical 3 in 1 soil ph test as well but it's broken and needs replacement.

I do think that the ph has been closer to optimal than i thought and will flush them properly tomorrow to get rid of excess salts and neutralize the ash alkalinity.

The buds got what looks like a 2nd set of pistils and are fattening up now.

The smell is negligible and there isn't much ice on them yet.
Put a pic up m8. Would love to see ya journey so far.. What u feeding them at the moment..less N more pk. Wen in bud..
 

Icu420

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Just need to get the yeild ryt.. When u see peeps pulling Lbs off. Best iv done is 5 oz. Wet. 3.5oz wen dry. Not to bad really for a hobby grow.. Gl n happy growing. M8
I watched this today for yield maximization:
"Maximizing cannabis yield with Dr Bruce Bugbee" it's on youtube and is quite comprehensive.

Also this on how yield is expoentially affected by vegetation time:


You have some world class trichome production so i would guess yield is a matter of scaling

Pics and update later today:)
 
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Icu420

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Day 46 since out of earth
32 since 12/12
18 since first lil pistils

I flushed today about 3 liters for each pot until runoff was ph 6.5-7. I think i did a mistake by top dressing a little bit more ash when i was done to add some extra phosphorous, then i learned that the ash has a ton of calcium and that rather rediculously unproportional. I don't think i messed up anything but will have to balance the ph again next time i water because that water will mix with that top dressed ash which will make it alkaline, no biggie tho.

I am still not feeding them anything other than this ash, the fertilizer in the soil is going strong and i am quite sure it's not anywhere close to running out because these pots are way too big for this setup.

They look as happy as ever and are getting fat.

I placed a smaller 10w bulb over the highest cola and put a blurple in the middle. Unfortunately the blurple has some broken diodes but i don't think it's a safety hazard, i assume it just draws less but i will ask around to make sure.

The closeup is one of the previously most nutrient burned pistil (burned em with foliar feed)
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All the leafburn and curling has stopped. I think there is too much nitrogen in the soil but it's ok for this run and i don't mind at all getting a lot of leaves, quite the opposite because i will use the whole plant.
 
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Icu420

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Day 48 since out of earth
34 since 12/12
20 since first pistils

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Was a problem with low daytime temp yesterday, went down to 15c.

Otherwise no problems
 

Icu420

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Notes on growing

Good soil mix

Base
  1. 1/2 pete (low ph) or coco (water buffer)
  2. 1/2 vermiculite (has silica)
Additives
  1. Dolomitic lime (ph up) 40g/ft3
  2. Gypsum 10g/ft3 (cal)
Feed
~ 4/4/4 throughout

Misc
- Bottom feed water roots
- Foliar feed nutes with water (underside of the leaves)
- Don't soak the top levels of the soil unless leaching/flushing

Push:
Higher temp
Supplement co2
130-150k lux
 
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Icu420

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Day 50 since out of earth
36 since 12/12
22 since first pistils

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The tallest cola is funky looking and the plant is darker, hasn't been draining properly.

I will flush the dark one again for next watering.

Some colas are getting thick and they started to smell. Carbon filter works.
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Some pistils started darkening so i think 3 more weeks and am curious to see how much these swell up.
 
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