Eggshell WCA (Water-Soluble Calcium)

J.James said:

I made 12 kits and gave 4 of them away. The rest sold in about 3 weeks through my online site (39.99 price point). If you don't keep them refrigerated they will swell up and eventually explode so storage can be tricky if you make large batches. I store the majority of my KNF in glass containers with vaper locks and would bottle to order if I ever add them back to the website. WELLGROWNSEEDS does an entire lineup in the same style containers they ferment the liquids longer and do a great job straining out the micronized organic matter. I would contact them via email and ask them for advice. Alex and Darron of WGS are both great guys willing to share their knowledge and experience. Good luck and If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask

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So to be clear, you mean the ferments have to be chilled to cold crash them and put them into sleepy mode. Not the WCA right? I brew wine and kombucha and such things so I know cold crashing. I would be looking more at some of the JADAM stuff first so chilling won't be an issue and so my customers can get used to what I would be offering. I have many ppl ask questions about EWCs so the interest is there.
I can see a bottle of WCA as a cure for blossom end rot being an easy sell instead of a 40lb bag of gypsum from Creepo Depot.

I appreciate the information, I will reach out to them. I love the idea of learning from mistakes I don't have to make.
Should I tell them the Great J. James sent me?
So you sir are more on the KNF side of things? I have to ask due to the fact that I am doing Soil Food Web classes right now and the philosophies while similar in concept (organic regenerative farming), they vary a lot in practice. I am thinking of blending them for my needs. If you are a true follower of SFW stuff you're never supposed to add inputs aside from composts and EWCs.
Also, do you only grow the ladies or are you a grower of other plants as well? The reason behind the question is that most of the cutting edge gardening is done by cannabis growers. I have a household to support and a gardener is just that. So if it works on all types of plants in most conditions, then I would be more inclined to expend the resources to acquire or manufacture some of these products. Plus old ladies aren't going to buy JS if it only gets rid of PM on hemp. . .you know.

living gardening said:

So to be clear, you mean the ferments have to be chilled to cold crash them and put them into sleepy mode. Not the WCA right? I brew wine and kombucha and such things so I know cold crashing. I would be looking more at some of the JADAM stuff first so chilling won't be an issue and so my customers can get used to what I would be offering. I have many ppl ask questions about EWCs so the interest is there.
I can see a bottle of WCA as a cure for blossom end rot being an easy sell instead of a 40lb bag of gypsum from Creepo Depot.

I appreciate the information, I will reach out to them. I love the idea of learning from mistakes I don't have to make.
Should I tell them the Great J. James sent me?
So you sir are more on the KNF side of things? I have to ask due to the fact that I am doing Soil Food Web classes right now and the philosophies while similar in concept (organic regenerative farming), they vary a lot in practice. I am thinking of blending them for my needs. If you are a true follower of SFW stuff you're never supposed to add inputs aside from composts and EWCs.
Also, do you only grow the ladies or are you a grower of other plants as well? The reason behind the question is that most of the cutting edge gardening is done by cannabis growers. I have a household to support and a gardener is just that. So if it works on all types of plants in most conditions, then I would be more inclined to expend the resources to acquire or manufacture some of these products. Plus old ladies aren't going to buy JS if it only gets rid of PM on hemp. . .you know.

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I tend a variety of produce, trees, and cannabis using KNF inputs and compost teas for different plants & stages of growth in living organic soil. I have run into some plants that are sensitive to KNF like for instance Bonsai Style Desert Roses but at 1/4 recommended dilution rate they do well. I grow both male and female plants and have been growing/breeding cannabis for over 25 years. Even the WCA continues to gas off for months making it hard to bottle up for any length of time, just be prepared to experiment for some time before you bottle up a large batch. LAB doesn't like to be shaken up. It will instantly expand making shipping risky. A one-way valve cap for your container is something I would look into right off the bat. 5-gallon brewing buckets with vapor locks and maybe a refrigerator.

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So have you found that most plants react well to the normal dilution rates of do certain types of plants like different regiments? Like do Vegging plants like more of one thing than another? With the knowledge that obviously, flowering nutes like K are going to do better than a ton of N.
Regarding trees, what is your strategy for fruit trees? Mine are bare-root grafted trees and in poor sand. I want them to put on growth and foliage as the deer are eating them and the jap beetles are defoliating the apple tree. I figure it will be a longer term strategy but what do trees like?? I have not looked into tree or large shrub care. I would love to hear a brief run down on a basic level if you would?/! I am in the process of building OM on the soil in the yard (I hate lawns). I am using hardwood ash and mushroom compost. I figure that the moisture holding ability (or lack there of) is what is holding my trees back.

J.James said:

Other kinds of vinegar will work just try to avoid white vinegar

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Regarding vinegar. I have some form of Crab Apple. I'm going to harvest the fruit and make vinegar. I'll use that for my WCA and other acid derived organic nutrients.

I had to support a branch due to the amount of fruit. I have plenty of food grade buckets with airtight lids an a half dozen air interlocks I can use for the fermentation process. Maybe I'll end up with some vinegar I choose to use for my own consumption. We'll find out later.

This stuff is really neat and is keeping my mind active learning and researching different things.

I'm going to make vinegar out of this specific specimen. The tree is loaded. I'll easily fill 3-4 5 gallon buckets. That will make enough vinegar for making fertilizer and some for personal consumption. I'm definitely going to keep some for food purposes.




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living gardening said:

So have you found that most plants react well to the normal dilution rates of do certain types of plants like different regiments? Like do Vegging plants like more of one thing than another? With the knowledge that obviously, flowering nutes like K are going to do better than a ton of N.
Regarding trees, what is your strategy for fruit trees?

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Most plants react well to normal dilution rates (1000:1) but sensitive and young plants do better if you start at the (2000:1 - 4000:1) range. For fruiting trees, I use a backpack sprayer and do foiler applications of WCA, FPJ, Soap Nut Extract, and Ferments. Compost Tea is applied 4 times a year to my entire property. I've spent time building up the soil food web on my property so microbes are well established. Spreading EWC and Compost pays off in the long run

xtsho said:

Regarding vinegar. I have some form of Crab Apple. I'm going to harvest the fruit and make vinegar. I'll use that for my WCA and other acid derived organic nutrients.

I had to support a branch due to the amount of fruit. I have plenty of food grade buckets with airtight lids an a half dozen air interlocks I can use for the fermentation process. Maybe I'll end up with some vinegar I choose to use for my own consumption. We'll find out later.

This stuff is really neat and is keeping my mind active learning and researching different things.

I'm going to make vinegar out of this specific specimen. The tree is loaded. I'll easily fill 3-4 5 gallon buckets. That will make enough vinegar for making fertilizer and some for personal consumption. I'm definitely going to keep some for food purposes.

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Crabapple cider is a lost art you know. To everyone they are trash fruit. The truly resourceful person makes useful things from waste.
That's the easy secret to getting rich. Just figure out how to make money from some form of abundant waste product.
What you said is why this type of growing is so interesting. You will never learn it all. That's the part that I love.

J.James said:

Most plants react well to normal dilution rates (1000:1) but sensitive and young plants do better if you start at the (2000:1 - 4000:1) range. For fruiting trees, I use a backpack sprayer and do foiler applications of WCA, FPJ, Soap Nut Extract, and Ferments. Compost Tea is applied 4 times a year to my entire property. I've spent time building up the soil food web on my property so microbes are well established. Spreading EWC and Compost pays off in the long run

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What are your thoughts on JMS vs Compost tea/extract? I just wonder if JMS is mostly bacteria, and if so couldn't that cause an imbalance?
I feel like compost tea/extract would be the second step and JMS may be step one? Thoughts?
Also, do you happen to know anyone that makes or has the knowledge to make Yucca extract? (As a surfactant). I have a native type here and it would save some $$ if I can learn how to make a form of it. Reasoning being, I don't think supply chains will hold up much longer and if I can forage all of my needs for production than I feel much more secure without $$.

living gardening said:

What are your thoughts on JMS vs Compost tea/extract? I just wonder if JMS is mostly bacteria, and if so couldn't that cause an imbalance?
I feel like compost tea/extract would be the second step and JMS may be step one? Thoughts?

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JMS? What are we talking about?
Don't forget that some plants prefer bacteria dominate soil over fungus dominant and vice versa. The plants are in control of what lives in your soil. Our job is to introduce the plants to indigenous bacteria and fungi and rebuild their populations back to normal levels, they do all the hard work for us.

living gardening said:

Also, do you happen to know anyone that makes or has the knowledge to make Yucca extract? (As a surfactant). I have a native type here and it would save some $$ if I can learn how to make a form of it. Reasoning being, I don't think supply chains will hold up much longer and if I can forage all of my needs for production than I feel much more secure without $$.

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Therm X-70 is the only yucca extract iv ever used and although it worked well I prefer to use soap nut extract.

xtsho said:

Regarding vinegar. I have some form of Crab Apple. I'm going to harvest the fruit and make vinegar. I'll use that for my WCA and other acid derived organic nutrients.

I had to support a branch due to the amount of fruit. I have plenty of food grade buckets with airtight lids an a half dozen air interlocks I can use for the fermentation process. Maybe I'll end up with some vinegar I choose to use for my own consumption. We'll find out later.

This stuff is really neat and is keeping my mind active learning and researching different things.

I'm going to make vinegar out of this specific specimen. The tree is loaded. I'll easily fill 3-4 5 gallon buckets. That will make enough vinegar for making fertilizer and some for personal consumption. I'm definitely going to keep some for food purposes.

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Sounds like a great project, Let us all know how it turns out!

J.James said:

JMS? What are we talking about?

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JMS stands for Jadam Microorganism Solution.
It's made by putting leaf mold and a boiled potato you smash in the water, as a food source for the microorganisms.
Didn't try it yet, but will do sooner or later:

JHake said:

JMS stands for Jadam Microorganism Solution.
It's made by putting leaf mold and a boiled potato you smash in the water, as a food source for the microorganisms.
Didn't try it yet, but will do sooner or later:

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Thanks for the info, looks to be a carb-loaded anaerobic solution. Would be great for outdoor situations I'm sure but in container gardening, this could go south real fast. This is why In KNF we use LAB applications to keep our containers aerobic. The roots need oxygen to survive and thrive. I'm sure the solution is packed full of beneficial fungi and bacteria don't get me wrong, but anything anaerobic I stay away from.

J.James said:

Thanks for the info, looks to be a carb-loaded anaerobic solution. Would be great for outdoor situations I'm sure but in container gardening, this could go south real fast. This is why In KNF we use LAB applications to keep our containers aerobic. The roots need oxygen to survive and thrive. I'm sure the solution is packed full of beneficial fungi and bacteria don't get me wrong, but anything anaerobic I stay away from.

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So I do know about B/F ratios and that if it's bacterial throw down some wicked brassicas. If you got shubs, you want those Shroooms man (fungi dominant). The JMS is supposed to be a soil softening agent. For the record it is an outdoor application. I am much less hesitant to use anaerobic things outside due to scale. I don't use it indoors or in my raised beds yet. I am going to try the JLF (Jadam Liquid Fertilizer) To Make: Throw weeds/green matter in a bucket with leaf mold soil and water and let rot/break down strain after sufficient time and mix 10:1.
On a side note didn't you say you use KNF primarily? Fermentation is an anaerobic process . . . And with alcohol being the primary stabilizer, if you don't dilute enough you could probably look like you sprayed Glyphosate.
If I make lacto kraut, is that the same as LABs? Or is that a majorly different strain? Also, have you ever used a scoby or komubcha? I make it but have never used it in the garden.

The Fermentation process is anaerobic but the release of carbon dioxide makes the medium aerobic, that is until the LAB / Yeast runs out of sugars or produces enough alcohol. FPJ, WCA, and LAB are all diluted to such a degree that the alcohol / Vinegar used to stabilize them isn't an issue (1000:1 +) but if I used any of them at 10:1 it would spell disaster for any crop. This is what I meant by I stay away from "anything anaerobic" but can see where that would be confusing. If it has a chance to turn the medium anaerobic I stay away from it.

We collect LAB using a Carb-loaded solution grabbing as many types of Lactobacillus as we can. When we add that first solution to milk we create an environment where only certain types of Lactobacillus can survive. L. delbrueckii. & L. casei. in most cases. The Lactobacillus that thrives in your Kraut is mainly L. brevis. , L. plantarum. & Pediococcus pentosaceus

I have never used a Scoby but know what they are and I drink Kombucha 3 times a week

xtsho said:

You can definitely use epsom salts with organic soil. It's not actually a salt but naturally occuring mineral compound of magnesium and sulfur. It has nothing to do with salty water.

Epsom salts from CVS are perfectly fine to use so I don't know where you get that it's useless crap. You just need to get the plain one that can be used as a laxative. There is no reason to pay more than a few dollars for a 3 pound bag. It doesn't matter if it comes from CVS, Rite-Aid, Walgreens, or some designer cannabis brand.

WHAT IS EPSOM SALT?

Epsom salt, named for a bitter saline spring at Epsom in Surrey, England, is not actually salt but a naturally occurring pure mineral compound of magnesium and sulfate. Long known as a natural remedy for a number of ailments, Epsom salt has numerous health benefits as well as many beauty, household, and gardening-related uses.

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Thank you. You just saved me from some typing, lol.