Ethics of Guerilla growing on someone else's land

Big Kakuna said:

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its alot for me

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me too didn't mean it like that but im just saying these rich people dont pull the strings they think they can, and then you see them on Cold Case Files featuring (some douche bag who never made it to real tv.)

you find out its a rich guy who picks up hookers in the slums of some ghetto and gets caught after that. So if your really scarred of that bring protection.


And if you dont want the guy to get in trouble make a path leading away from the spot. This would make it alot less likely for him to get in trouble. Because cops aren't stupid, theyll take that into account and in this country its supposed to be your innocent until proven guilty. If the cops find it theyll probably try and catch you red handed otherwise theyd have no proof to whos spot it was.


Oh and if im wrong and who evers property the plants are on gets in trouble... well what da hell im gunna have a field day with this..."what your talking shit, alright have fun being incarcerated for the 500 plants of marijuana that i just tipped the cops off too" hahaha
I could be such an asshole.

yeap have a weapon hidden out at your spot, ppl fuck around u fuck around

and HONESTLY if buddy has 5 mil worth of land i can gurantee u he doesnt travel acres and acres looking for a couple pot plants, for all we know you are right and know one has been there for 5 years or he checks it everyday....its your call at the end of the day

the whole idea of outdoor growing is to be STEALTH so who the fuck cares where u grow be STEALTH and u wont get CAUGHT.......i hope you do it, or find another good spot, NEVER TELL ANYONE

CrackerJax said:

I'll be brief... I own quite a bit of land myself.... I would be very pissed to find someone has trespassed against me and installed something which could potentially cause me huge legal bills and/or the loss of MY land. I put it in the same category as ATV's. Ride on YOUR property, not other folks.

Can't grow on your own property? The previous posts about PUBLIC lands was the right alternative. First of all, no one will shoot you if caught on PUBLIC land. As a side note...don't EVER visit your grow armed with a weapon.



Good Luck...


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I think that is the conclusion that I came to. I would love to be able to grow on my own property, but that isn't an option (not enough light [tall trees[, not enough land [about 0.23 acres], not enough cover [tall trees, but no under brush]). I would consider having a garden and growing a small plant or two in there, LSTing it, but since there isn't enough light it really wouldn't be feasible.

Since I can't grow on my land, I was hoping to be able to grow CLOSE to it, on someone else's. But my conscious (and several of you) got the best of me, and I decided I wouldn't want someone else to be growing on mine, why should I grow on their's.

So I decided to go with public lands. I picked out one state park and one county park that are within an hours drive from me. Not the best options, but they are the closest, so I guess that's what I'll go with.

These questions are probably better suited for a different thread, but I'll throw it out now, and see what comes back: How many of you grow on state/county lands? How many/what percentage do you guys get back from what you grow? If you plant like 20 little girls, how many on average do you get back?

Also, How often do you recommend checking up on them? Once a week? Two, a month?

An old hippie friend of mine told me about how he used to guerilla grow. According to him, back in the day it meant planting a little girl in April then not going back untill you harvest in October. Anyone have any experience with this?

And lastly (sorry for the long post), that is a good piece of advice CJ. Never carry a gun while checking up on your outdoor plants, and I would recommend never owning a gun if you grow in your house. Penalties increase for stuff like that, plus it's just not worth it. My 2c though, not alot of people agree with it.

I don't think the question is whether he can get away with it.....

As for the weapon carrying. Let me clue you in... now maybe it varies from state to state...but in my home state if you trespass ARMED, the rancher (land owner) is allowed to gun you down without a word spoken to you. Hell, he can use a scope if he wishes. NEVER trespass with a weapon......it's just not worth it. A rancher will find it difficult to gun you down if you only have a trowel and some fert. You come back with bravado and a gun and he won't think twice. Don't forget you're in the wrong when caught. That big land owner probably eats dinner with the sheriff, etc.... Of course statistically, if you walk someone else's property armed, you'll be mistakenly shot as a poacher. End of story there my friends....

No, better to use federal lands....


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Property is theft to begin with.. If you trace it waay back to the beginning, nobody really had any right to sell land in the first place..

specialkayme said:

I think that is the conclusion that I came to. I would love to be able to grow on my own property, but that isn't an option (not enough light [tall trees[, not enough land [about 0.23 acres], not enough cover [tall trees, but no under brush]). I would consider having a garden and growing a small plant or two in there, LSTing it, but since there isn't enough light it really wouldn't be feasible.

Since I can't grow on my land, I was hoping to be able to grow CLOSE to it, on someone else's. But my conscious (and several of you) got the best of me, and I decided I wouldn't want someone else to be growing on mine, why should I grow on their's.

So I decided to go with public lands. I picked out one state park and one county park that are within an hours drive from me. Not the best options, but they are the closest, so I guess that's what I'll go with.

These questions are probably better suited for a different thread, but I'll throw it out now, and see what comes back: How many of you grow on state/county lands? How many/what percentage do you guys get back from what you grow? If you plant like 20 little girls, how many on average do you get back?

Also, How often do you recommend checking up on them? Once a week? Two, a month?

An old hippie friend of mine told me about how he used to guerilla grow. According to him, back in the day it meant planting a little girl in April then not going back untill you harvest in October. Anyone have any experience with this?

And lastly (sorry for the long post), that is a good piece of advice CJ. Never carry a gun while checking up on your outdoor plants, and I would recommend never owning a gun if you grow in your house. Penalties increase for stuff like that, plus it's just not worth it. My 2c though, not alot of people agree with it.

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You seem level headed.... you'll do fine.

The KEY to growing "elsewhere" is to do it in the best and SAFEST manner possible. Trespassing just isn't safe. You can visit just fine maybe a dozen times, but need only be discovered ONCE. It's like fighting a war in which there are many tiny skirmishes and if you lose any of them, all is lost. The opposition (?) can let you win all but one.... think about it.

I don't mean to be a wet blanket to those who think it's ok to put other people at risk They clearly have the higher moral ground, right? funny stuff...


Special K, I think you'll do well to follow your conscience.

Unless you are standing right over your grow, it's okay to be seen in Parks and such.....

Since mine are always within reach, I couldn't tell you how many times to visit the plants with any accuracy....sorry. Someone else perhaps?


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I agree with a few of the previous posts. No matter how you do it, it's still on someone else's land. But the fact of the matter is that that spot probably isn't even used, and I don't believe one should OWN land anyone(but that's off topic). I think you'd be alright to move a few dead trees out of the way. If they were to decay enough, it would fall and the bugs n critters would carry the pieces off anyways, right? Out of concerns for the earth I would ask that you didn't leave any chemicals, trash, etc there.(obviously). Nor cigarette butts, etc, if you even smoke them. It may be wise to not walk the same exact path each time, to avoid a worn path.
I can't give much advice on how to grow it, but I would say the "ethics" should be pretty simple. When you're finished harvesting, and leave the place, it ought to be in the same condition as if you were to never have grown at all.
Good luck and keep it safe man! PEACE

The joys of living in ireland!

1. No one thinks cannabis could possibly grow over here.

2. Ample amount of of forest, grass land and scrub.

3. Rains like a motherfucker all summer and dry in the autumn.

4. Theres only one garda in my area and he's a lazy fucker.

Happy growing people!

CrackerJax said:

I don't think the question is whether he can get away with it.....

As for the weapon carrying. Let me clue you in... now maybe it varies from state to state...but in my home state if you trespass ARMED, the rancher (land owner) is allowed to gun you down without a word spoken to you. Hell, he can use a scope if he wishes. NEVER trespass with a weapon......it's just not worth it. A rancher will find it difficult to gun you down if you only have a trowel and some fert. You come back with bravado and a gun and he won't think twice. Don't forget you're in the wrong when caught. That big land owner probably eats dinner with the sheriff, etc.... Of course statistically, if you walk someone else's property armed, you'll be mistakenly shot as a poacher. End of story there my friends....

No, better to use federal lands....


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My state is actually much more conservative. You can shoot anyone that is trespassing on your land for any reason. Well, probably not ANYONE for ANY REASON, but you get the idea. Laws regarding trespassing are kinda lenient around here. If you were trespassing with a rifle, the owner probably would just regard you as a hunter (not a whole lot to poach around here), but it's best not to take that stance anyway.

born2killspam said:

Property is theft to begin with.. If you trace it waay back to the beginning, nobody really had any right to sell land in the first place..

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I don't know if I believe with you there. If you trace it back the Supreme Court gave the right to sell indian lands to the government, and the government alone. Individuals could not buy land off the indians. I forget the case. Not that it's right, I think it's very wrong, but if you trace it back SOMEONE has a right to sell land .... just not everyone.

Richie LxP said:

The joys of living in ireland!

1. No one thinks cannabis could possibly grow over here.

2. Ample amount of of forest, grass land and scrub.

3. Rains like a motherfucker all summer and dry in the autumn.

4. Theres only one garda in my area and he's a lazy fucker.

Happy growing people!

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You left out the biggest joy of living in ireland ... the booze!

well SpecialK about planting in a risky spot, mine was in a risky spot and i visited about a dozen times, never caught just be careful
its good to plant your plants in or around brush so you can duck any signs of humans, atleast thats what i like doing
in the forest its just tree trunks, little easier to get spotted
i dunno man if your concious says no, i guess it says no

another thing i should mention, the chances of you visiting your plants (about a dozen times a year if even) and the land owner being in the general area of the woods is probably 1 in one hundred billion......at the same time
fuck the chances of him finding them on 5 acres is 1 in a billion

but yea man all your call

what!?!? the topic of LAND is one for a history guy, but im pretty sure europeans came over here and killed the natives and stole there land.....so yea all are land was origanally stolen...

edit. talking about canada/us

specialkayme said:

My state is actually much more conservative. You can shoot anyone that is trespassing on your land for any reason. Well, probably not ANYONE for ANY REASON, but you get the idea. Laws regarding trespassing are kinda lenient around here. If you were trespassing with a rifle, the owner probably would just regard you as a hunter (not a whole lot to poach around here), but it's best not to take that stance anyway.



I don't know if I believe with you there. If you trace it back the Supreme Court gave the right to sell indian lands to the government, and the government alone. Individuals could not buy land off the indians. I forget the case. Not that it's right, I think it's very wrong, but if you trace it back SOMEONE has a right to sell land .... just not everyone.



You left out the biggest joy of living in ireland ... the booze!

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Yes, we do like our tipple! We also like puffin up some funky chron on the regular!

Is there anymore paddys gracing this forum?

HookedOnChronic said:

well SpecialK about planting in a risky spot, mine was in a risky spot and i visited about a dozen times, never caught just be careful
its good to plant your plants in or around brush so you can duck any signs of humans, atleast thats what i like doing
in the forest its just tree trunks, little easier to get spotted
i dunno man if your concious says no, i guess it says no

another thing i should mention, the chances of you visiting your plants (about a dozen times a year if even) and the land owner being in the general area of the woods is probably 1 in one hundred billion......at the same time
fuck the chances of him finding them on 5 acres is 1 in a billion

but yea man all your call

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I'd agree with you, I know I would get away with it. but like you said, if my conscious says no, then it says no.

I think personally I would prefer not to grow on someone else's property, use them and the land to get a few plants when I'd be thinking about how I abused them for years to come. Not to mention how bad I would feel if something went wrong.

So generally speaking, I think it would be better to stick to state land. Or find a nice cheap plot of land to buy ... which I don't think I can afford right now ...

I don't know if I believe with you there. If you trace it back the Supreme Court gave the right to sell indian lands to the government, and the government alone. Individuals could not buy land off the indians. I forget the case. Not that it's right, I think it's very wrong, but if you trace it back SOMEONE has a right to sell land .... just not everyone.

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I meant more intrinsically than legally.. What ever gave anybody the right to even claim ownership of any land? Long before any modern governments.. George Carlin did a bit on the concept once

born2killspam said:

I meant more intrinsically than legally.. What ever gave anybody the right to even claim ownership of any land? Long before any modern governments.. George Carlin did a bit on the concept once

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I think the philosophy behind ownership of land is a topic beyond the scope of this thread. Your point is taken though.

be careful on the state land for police flyovers, id suspect they do them regurlarly over any governement parks

you most likely have to be more stealth now than before as you are planting on land with a "NAME" therefore ppl are gonna be visiting it

its like if u planted them at an amusement park, theres always people there, obviously not though just an example

i dunno man best of luck to ya! take some pics when u start it up!

specialkayme said:

I think that is the conclusion that I came to. I would love to be able to grow on my own property, but that isn't an option (not enough light [tall trees[, not enough land [about 0.23 acres], not enough cover [tall trees, but no under brush]). I would consider having a garden and growing a small plant or two in there, LSTing it, but since there isn't enough light it really wouldn't be feasible.

Since I can't grow on my land, I was hoping to be able to grow CLOSE to it, on someone else's. But my conscious (and several of you) got the best of me, and I decided I wouldn't want someone else to be growing on mine, why should I grow on their's.

So I decided to go with public lands. I picked out one state park and one county park that are within an hours drive from me. Not the best options, but they are the closest, so I guess that's what I'll go with.

These questions are probably better suited for a different thread, but I'll throw it out now, and see what comes back: How many of you grow on state/county lands? How many/what percentage do you guys get back from what you grow? If you plant like 20 little girls, how many on average do you get back?

Also, How often do you recommend checking up on them? Once a week? Two, a month?

An old hippie friend of mine told me about how he used to guerilla grow. According to him, back in the day it meant planting a little girl in April then not going back untill you harvest in October. Anyone have any experience with this?

And lastly (sorry for the long post), that is a good piece of advice CJ. Never carry a gun while checking up on your outdoor plants, and I would recommend never owning a gun if you grow in your house. Penalties increase for stuff like that, plus it's just not worth it. My 2c though, not alot of people agree with it.

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A few points about federal grow ops (growing on federal land).

* How accessable is the intended grow location

* How much human activity is present within 5km of the grow location (hunters, park rangers, towns, houses, roads, flight paths).

* Do you have a GPS

* Material Operational Requirements: wire mesh, chicken wire, large pots, soil, nutrients, 10 or 20 ltr water containers, clones, spades, wheel barrow

* Is your car up to it

* Can you drop things at a moments notice and do an emergency visit during hot weather

* Can you afford $ to visit once every 3-5 days

* Are people going to start asking questions about why you keep going out for trips to the forrest all the time

* Insects attacking plants


Water, Security and Elements are the greatest challenges of any type of operation.

LordOfWar said:

A few points about federal grow ops (growing on federal land).

* How accessable is the intended grow location

* How much human activity is present within 5km of the grow location (hunters, park rangers, towns, houses, roads, flight paths).

* Do you have a GPS

* Material Operational Requirements: wire mesh, chicken wire, large pots, soil, nutrients, 10 or 20 ltr water containers, clones, spades, wheel barrow

* Is your car up to it

* Can you drop things at a moments notice and do an emergency visit during hot weather

* Can you afford $ to visit once every 3-5 days

* Are people going to start asking questions about why you keep going out for trips to the forrest all the time

* Insects attacking plants


Water, Security and Elements are the greatest challenges of any type of operation.

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Great points LOW, and perhaps the answers I give will enable you to advise what I do from here on out. I don't think my situation is optimum for this kinda thing, but I'm doing what I can:

*The grow location is not 100% known as of right now. I just went on google earth to pick out a few areas. Next weekend, or the following week I plan on scoping things out.

* No hunters, some park rangers, not much activity (newly dedicated park), and nearly no activity off the beaten path, no houses or towns in the forrest (haha), but a larger city (at least for this area) on the outskirts, and an airport bordering one side of the park.
P.S. Not really too concerned with fly bys. I only plan on doing 2-3 plants per spot. Not really noticeable from a plane

* No GPS

* Chicken wire, wire ties, shovels, spade, pots (although I don't intend to use it), soil, nutrients all available (although no wheelbarrow ... probably couldn't get it in there without suspicion anyway) but no water containers (was hoping not to use any?)

* Not worried about car. If it isn't up to it I'll have to get a different one anyway

* I will NOT be able to drop everything at a moment's notice. It's somewhat more feasible during the summer, but in the spring and the fall I have a busy work load.

* I was hoping to be able to visit once every two weeks. Hopefully not much more often than that. If that's the case I can afford to visit that often, but with both my work load and the distance involved, more often than that might not be reasonable.

* People may wonder. But I was thinking if I go hiking every weekend, or every other weekend, with the intention of doing like a 3 mile ruck sack run, people probably wouldn't question that. I have lots of hiking equipment. I used to do quite a bit of backpacking and camping. Plus, even if I don't grow, I'll still probably try hiking two or three times a month.

* Insect attacking plants? use pesticides? no offense, but I don't know where I'm supposed to go with that

I can already tell that water will be the largest concern for me. So I was hoping to plant near a water source, and add those water crystals into the land. Along with some Coco (that stuff absorbs water like a sponge, it's great).

Does that help at all?

specialkayme said:

This was what I was initially thinking. Two or three plants would not be noticed, or at least that is what I suspect.

And I don't know about anyone else's grow ops around here.



However, after thinking about it, I think I'm starting to side more with you LOW. If the true owner doesn't agree with pot being grown on his land, things could end badly. I doubt he would set up traps and the like, especially because he could get sued for that. But, he could do alot of other things to make me uncomfortable. Plus, if the cops find it I would never forgive myself for doing that to the owner. And even if he doesn't mind, I cant imagine that he wouldn't care that someone is growing anything on his land without his permission. If I was in his shoes, I would probably be pissed if someone put a tomato garden on my land, let alone an illegal garden.

I would love to be able to grow on the land, but I think the consequences outweigh the benefits.



I think it would be great to get to know him, make friends, then ask permission, but I don't think it's likely. The owner lives like 20 miles away, and I think it would be odd to either knock on his door to ask if he wants a new friend, or follow him around to find out what his hobbies are and try and start a conversation. But who knows, I might get to know him at some point, but I would want to take things one at a time.

On a side note, the only federally or state owned land that I know of is owned by the highway comm. (and is visible from the highway), or smaller parks that kids and families go to visit. Is there any website or search engine that I can use to find wilderness preservations, federal parks, or game lands so I can find some kinda spot? Just messing around on google maps I can see a few preservations scattered around, but most of them are only like 2-3 acres in size. Not really big enough to find a "hidden" patch.

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Go hiking! That's all there is to it. It's fun anyway, and knowing what you know, you'll surely find many a perfect little spot.

Otoole said:

Go hiking! That's all there is to it. It's fun anyway, and knowing what you know, you'll surely find many a perfect little spot.

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I'm less concerned with finding a spot than with the logistics behind providing enough water for the plants, at least at this point in time. What is the longest I would be able to go without visiting them?

My old hippie bro used to say how back in the 70's he threw a bunch of seeds in the ground on state land in Feb. He wouldn't come back till Oct. If they can last that long, they should survive a two or three week break between visits, without a watering system set up, right?