Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers? [POLL]

Do you remove leaves before the last weeks of flowering/budding?

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GreenThumbSucker

GreenThumbSucker

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PJ Diaz said:
Really? Then if it isn't chlorophyll that makes them green, what is it?
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The growing tips of your plants are sink tissues, and they are green. Sink tissues consume more energy than they produce. Source tissues are net exporters of energy. I'm not sure what your point is, this is basic botany.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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shagalicious said:
PJ Diaz said:
First of all, you don't know what you're talking about obviously, since this is not my thread, and I don't have any threads anywhere on this topic. You are clearly confused.

Second of all it was an analogy in response to your analogy. I'm sorry you didn't get it. Here, let me explain. Going to more places in the day equates to being able to pack more tips in the same space due to the leaves not all smothering everything. Go you get it now, or should I give a more in depth explanation.

There's really no need to jump to anger and hostility like you just did. Go smoke some herb brother and come back when you're in a peaceful vibe.
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so it's not your thread
so i'm not sorry
so you're still a troll

and - no - i have no desire to understand your confused thinking
light exposure to the bud site does not equate to bud density
that is the confused thinking behind the defoliation techniques being discussed

if you have poor air circulation in your room, then defoliation may help a bit with density, as it will lower humidity at the bud site, allowing the plant to produce a denser structure without risking a mold infestation, but it will not enhance your overall yield in any case

to create more dense, large kola type buds, get more of your growing shoots level at the canopy to more evenly distribute flowering hormones

the larfy buds are at the bottom because there is little hormone there, not because there is little light there

try this - leave the leaves on your plant and put a few cfls dow near the plant base and see if those buds don't stay just as larfy - they will

the double harvest technique is also misunderstood in this regard
it's not the light exposure causing this technique to yield harder denser buds from your plant bottoms - it's the fact that it's the new top of the plant and is now the destination for said hormones - that is also the reason the bottom of the plant will run so much longer than the top

and, while i know that you, personally will find nothing in this but another tidbit to troll on, maybe some of these other growers involved in a productive conversation about plant health and needs may
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I love you trolls who think you have me and my grow all figured out, and all the while I have you eating out of the palm of my hand and you don't even know it. I'm your puppet master.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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GreenThumbSucker said:
PJ Diaz said:
Really? Then if it isn't chlorophyll that makes them green, what is it?
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The growing tips of your plants are sink tissues, and they are green. Sink tissues consume more energy than they produce. Source tissues consume very little energy. I'm not sure what your point is, this is basic botany.
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That's nice. However you clearly said buds don't absorb light. Now you're trying to talk your way out of it. Sorry dude, buds do indeed absorb light. Maybe not to the same extent as leaves, but they do absorb light nonetheless.
 
GreenThumbSucker

GreenThumbSucker

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PJ Diaz said:
That's nice. However you clearly said buds don't absorb light. Now you're trying to talk your way out of it. Sorry dude, buds do indeed absorb light. Maybe not to the same extent as leaves, but they do absorb light nonetheless.
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Buds absorb light, but not enough for net growth. They are built for consuming and storing sugars and amino acids, not producing them. I do not know why this is so hard for you to understand. This is basic botany.

I can post a lot of studies, if that is what you require. This has been studied to death for decades.
 
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chongsbuddy

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  • the double harvest technique is also misunderstood in this regard
    it's not the light exposure causing this technique to yield harder denser buds from your plant bottoms - it's the fact that it's the new top of the plant and is now the destination for said hormones - that is also the reason the bottom of the plant will run so much longer than the top


    so if you cut the top bud wouldnt the hormones focus on the lower buds?makes sense to me.....



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chongsbuddy

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try to describe it as a seeded bud...might make more sense to some newbs....

buds store these sugars and such because they think they are seeded and need as much energy to produce seeds as needed to produce seeds for the next generation.......its mother nature at it best....
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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GreenThumbSucker said:
Buds absorb light, but not enough for net growth. They are built for consuming and storing sugars and amino acids, not producing them. I do not know why this is so hard for you to understand. This is basic botany.

I can post a lot of studies, if that is what you require. This has been studied to death for decades.
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You are correct.

This is the same bimbo that thinks a fan leaf over another fan leaf covers up the stomata that is indigenous to the lower part of the lower leaf. Check this out - https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/521700-fan-leafs-blockers-light-energy-60.html

The fact that he constantly wants to dictate the narrative, obviously doesn't understand plant parts or their functions and has never shown any gardens suggests he's just another blow hard poser.

UB
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Uncle Ben said:
GreenThumbSucker said:
Buds absorb light, but not enough for net growth. They are built for consuming and storing sugars and amino acids, not producing them. I do not know why this is so hard for you to understand. This is basic botany.

I can post a lot of studies, if that is what you require. This has been studied to death for decades.
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You are correct.

This is the same bimbo that thinks a fan leaf over another fan leaf covers up the stomata that is indigenous to the lower part of the lower leaf. Check this out - https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/521700-fan-leafs-blockers-light-energy-60.html

The fact that he constantly wants to dictate the narrative, obviously doesn't understand plant parts or their functions and has never shown any gardens suggests he's just another blow hard poser.

UB
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Do I need to call the waambulance for you? I've shown plenty of garden pics. Your just too dense to notice.
 
hexthat

hexthat

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I've been thinking and I feel fan leaves have the most surface area for light to be absorbed and converted to energy.

Quick question does floral feeding with sugars do anything at all?

I think Michael Pollan said something about cannabis trichomes are multipurpose and may have been used for catching bugs for food as a carnivorous plant.
 
Xrangex

Xrangex

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PJ Diaz said:
Why? The term "defoliation" is a misnomer, as it implies complete leaf removal from the entire plant (ie: no leaves left). Smart growers will only practice selective and strategic leaf removal.
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hexthat said:
de·fo·li·ate

/dēˈfōlēˌāt/
Verb
Remove leaves from (a tree, plant, or area of land), for agricultural purposes or as a military tactic.

i dont see how all have to be removed for it to be defoliating
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PJ Diaz said:
I'm only echoing the stupid statements that I've heard from defoliation-haters. Personally I agree with you. If we call it "selective leaf removal" it's simply a more specific term that's less conducive to dumb arguments is all.
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PJ Diaz said:
That's nice. However you clearly said buds don't absorb light. Now you're trying to talk your way out of it. Sorry dude, buds do indeed absorb light. Maybe not to the same extent as leaves, but they do absorb light nonetheless.
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Lol, just like you tried to talk your way out of being wrong about the word defoliate :clap:
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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GreenThumbSucker said:
Buds get their energy from the shade leaves. There are two types of tissues in plants. Sink tissues and source tissues. Sink tissues are where sugars are used and stored, and source tissues are where energy (light) is converted into sugars and amino acids.

Examples of sink tissues:


  • roots
  • growing tips of stems and leaves
  • flowers
  • fruits

Leaves are source tissues. If you remove the source of the energy from the plant, the sink receives no carbohydrates and amino acids, and growth stops. Sink tissues DO NOT product carbohydrates and amino acids.

Sink tissues are NOT photosynthetically ACTIVE meaning they DO NOT ABSORB LIGHT in any meaningful way.

http://www.plantphysiol.org/content/115/1/273.full.pdf
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An example of a sink tissue I use often is a root crop like potato, carrot, radish, turnip. Yes, buds aka calyx are sink tissues. What little simple/complex carbos they might produce is inconsequential.

Fan leaves are source tissue. They are the main unit that drives bud production.....but let's not confuse The Troll with the facts, shall we?

UB
 
shagalicious

shagalicious

Active Member
chongsbuddy said:

  • the double harvest technique is also misunderstood in this regard
    it's not the light exposure causing this technique to yield harder denser buds from your plant bottoms - it's the fact that it's the new top of the plant and is now the destination for said hormones - that is also the reason the bottom of the plant will run so much longer than the top


    so if you cut the top bud wouldnt the hormones focus on the lower buds?makes sense to me.....



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yes - that i the reason the double harvest technique actually works
i believe it is anecdotally evidenced by the fact that it requires another 10-20 days of growth beyond the top of the plant with or without supplemental lighting
 
ganjamanotie

ganjamanotie

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i personally do not, but i do know a couple long time growers who swear on it.

last fall right before harvest he had me go outside and clip off ALL fan leaves . I felt uneasy but he assured me it grants bigger buds.

i dont know if i believe this or not, and i dont think im going to risk it to try
 
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elkukupanda

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hexthat said:
I've been thinking and I feel fan leaves have the most surface area for light to be absorbed and converted to energy.

Quick question does floral feeding with sugars do anything at all?

I think Michael Pollan said something about cannabis trichomes are multipurpose and may have been used for catching bugs for food as a carnivorous plant.
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Hey brother, thank you for bringing up the question... I began reading out of curiosity... What I read pretty much describes them as the first line of defence of the plant against herbivores.. Also protect the plant from uv irradiation,heat stress, transpiration of the leaves... Pathogens... Even that you mention... Like entrapment devices.. Moreover, they also wok as chemical factories and are correlated with fatty acids so they let us know when our "food" is ready..
I closed the links already but google o-acyl sugars and you will find tones of info
 
hexthat

hexthat

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elkukupanda said:
Hey brother, thank you for bringing up the question... I began reading out of curiosity... What I read pretty much describes them as the first line of defence of the plant against herbivores.. Also protect the plant from uv irradiation,heat stress, transpiration of the leaves... Pathogens... Even that you mention... Like entrapment devices.. Moreover, they also wok as chemical factories and are correlated with fatty acids so they let us know when our "food" is ready..
I closed the links already but google o-acyl sugars and you will find tones of info
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??? huh :bigjoint:
 
hexthat

hexthat

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WTF!

I didn't post this in General Marijuana Growing, who moved this? This should be under Advanced Marijuana Cultivation....


you would try and sabotage a valid poll
 
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