Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

Ya all realize that was a joke???????? no luv.

cutting leaves off, roots likewise- is akin to trimming off some of your own intestines. There are two of stunting your harvest will suffer. Extreme result would be that buds that suck -little trichs etc and or less buds. sorry dood

i disagree about the frostyness. my shit is frosty frosty. sticky, all that shit. that did not suffer at all.

I think its a fine line between a good (storage) leaf and a leaf that robs energy in one form or another. Knowing which ones and when is key to not stressing the girl to much when removing.

Lollipopping is a good example of controlled pruning that works surprisingly well.

oHsiN666 said:

im so pist i started this fucking thread. has anyone learned anything? i haven't... im starting all over from scratch! reading 1 book and 1 book only. this internet shit is misleading. and trying to follow every jack, dick and bobs ideologies is a fucking joke! sorry, bad past couple of weeks.

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ill tell you everything theres really to know about fan leaves and exposure, they serve 2 purposes, to photosynthesize, and also as a secondary energy source. fan leaves that are in direct sunlight serving both, others that are not are only useful when late flower comes along. more branches means energy will be more divided, basically the exposed buds arent getting all the nutes they should be. so keep as many fan leaves, but eliminate useless branches, they're only taking from the bigger, more exposed ones. training them is a good way to get exposure to all of them, i recently started training my plants to grow around the rim of the pot to do this. thats all you really gotta know about fan leaves, branches, and proper exposure.

I want to jump in and try to get this on point.

I had an idea, when lollipopping why are the fan leaves taken off too? why not just take the bud sites off, leave the big fan leaves. My theory is that the fan leaves only take in energy to produce the flowers, and leaving more maximizes the light intake by the plant. But the removal of the bud sites down there means that the energy will be rediverted to the upper flowers.

idk. Ive been mulling this for a while

Uncle Ben said:

Yes. Equatorial types (10*) are driven mainly by chronological age as opposed to northern lats (40*) which are driven mainly by phytochrome. The reference I made applies to the mutts you're buying, which is driven by phytochrome amounts.

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nice, im in the midwest its a short season. I was helping a friend with one outdoor plant, I didnt want ruderalis, so I gave him an 8 week. its cutting it close.

rocknratm said:

I want to jump in and try to get this on point.

I had an idea, when lollipopping why are the fan leaves taken off too? why not just take the bud sites off, leave the big fan leaves. My theory is that the fan leaves only take in energy to produce the flowers, and leaving more maximizes the light intake by the plant. But the removal of the bud sites down there means that the energy will be rediverted to the upper flowers.

idk. Ive been mulling this for a while

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you got it right, couldnt have said it better. keep as many leaves as you can, remove insignificant bud sites to redirect energy/nutrients.

http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/chlorophyll/chlorophyll_h.htm

^What I was hoping people would look into after my first post.

I understand both parties sides to this thread but what about trimming leaves to avoid moisture build up? My ladies a quite bushy so trimming leaves from one plant that are effecting my others makes sense to me. Heres some pics of my grow, should i continue to trim? Or risk moisture build up that creates mold and will ruin my whole crop. you guys be the judge and let me know what you think.
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Another thing i should add is, notice my main fan leaves are all intact. Like Sir.Ganga said its the "other" leaves that are ok to trim you just have to know which ones they are.

dude, you have no need to trim. believe me its not effecting your other plant to a noticeable effect. your just loosing in the end if youa ask me. look around at experiancedd peoples scrogs and stuff there rooms are packed with foilage and no probs.. just get a fan.

SCUDkfa said:

I understand both parties sides to this thread but what about trimming leaves to avoid moisture build up? My ladies a quite bushy so trimming leaves from one plant that are effecting my others makes sense to me. Heres some pics of my grow, should i continue to trim? Or risk moisture build up that creates mold and will ruin my whole crop. you guys be the judge and let me know what you think.
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do not trim those. they will suffer

oHsiN666 said:

im so pist i started this fucking thread. has anyone learned anything? i haven't... im starting all over from scratch! reading 1 book and 1 book only. this internet shit is misleading. and trying to follow every jack, dick and bobs ideologies is a fucking joke! sorry, bad past couple of weeks.

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This says it all.
You are pissed because people have several different opinions on the internet, however you also said something like "I don't learn anything, everybody are saying the same thing over and over").

So because of these different opinions, and discussions, are "misleading" - you'll go and buy a book with only 1 (ONE) set of opinions.. that way you'll not be confused (sorry.. mislead) by conflicting opinions and discussion... you know.. crictial thinking.

Edit: Maybe I should get my morning-coffee before posting. But I'm also about to leave this place, there are better places (so I do understand your emotions, this site is not exactly full of critical thinking .

OldGrowAddict said:

This says it all.
You are pissed because people have several different opinions on the internet, however you also said something like "I don't learn anything, everybody are saying the same thing over and over").

So because of these different opinions, and discussions, are "misleading" - you'll go and buy a book with only 1 (ONE) set of opinions.. that way you'll not be confused (sorry.. mislead) by conflicting opinions and discussion... you know.. crictial thinking.

Edit: Maybe I should get my morning-coffee before posting. But I'm also about to leave this place, there are better places (so I do understand your emotions, this site is not exactly full of critical thinking .

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yes this is a forum, its quite obvious youll get some opinionated answers, i gave him as much info on fan leaves as i could, i think i covered it pretty well. you can judge a site off a few users, like any other one theres bullshit to sift through, and you have to take everything you hear with a grain of salt, best way to learn is experience. and to the guy who said leaves can cause mold, id say only if they're clashing together with some sort of surface or other leaves, other than that keep as many as possible, and if some are in the shadows train them if you can.

I mean It's simple in my mind. The plant grows the leaves for a reason, and removes its nutrients when it feels it needs to. Pinching buds to promote further development of the main buds is a waste IMHO. Trim the top buds at harvest and let the plant develop it'd lower buds for a few week before trimming em. If you cut all your leaves and new bud growth you Will loose yeild.

Keep the leaves on, the only tree that should have its leaves removed is the tree that makes spaghetti........

i always trim on day 21 and 45 of flower. i have done multiple experiments on ones that i dont trim, and ones that i do trim; and the ones i trim had quite a bit more yield.

squarefodder said:

I mean It's simple in my mind. The plant grows the leaves for a reason, and removes its nutrients when it feels it needs to. Pinching buds to promote further development of the main buds is a waste IMHO. Trim the top buds at harvest and let the plant develop it'd lower buds for a few week before trimming em. If you cut all your leaves and new bud growth you Will loose yeild.

Keep the leaves on, the only tree that should have its leaves removed is the tree that makes spaghetti........

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some people hate popcorn nugs such as myself, i train them to grow sideways or just around the rim of the pot so none of them are in the shade, leaving no purpose to stop any new branch development. if i dont wanna branch, i take it as a clone. but just like you said, keep as many leaves as you can or else yield may be jeopardized.

i wanna tree that grows spaghetti, i think id do some companion growing so my buds would eventually taste like the dankest thing in the world, spaghetti. hahaha

My popcorn nugs go straight to the grinder to be used for butter. I don't like trimming popcorn, but I love edibles.

mccumcumber said:

My popcorn nugs go straight to the grinder to be used for butter. I don't like trimming popcorn, but I love edibles.

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i keep trim for bho, smoke the rest