FedEx Shooting

hanimmal

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Im no Troll bro. Just entitled to my opinion like everyone else. As for my absence. I was Outlaw growing a decade ago when I joined. Now its legal so Im back to live, learn and hang out with people of similiar interests.
Welcome back then. A lot has changed.

And I defiantly never said that you were not entitled to believe what you like, you should reread my posts if you think I have.

You just described most of the US's population. I mean, almost everybody fits your description of a mass murderer. Almost none them committed mass murder. You post is one long logical fallacy call the sweeping generalization.

Games have never been connected with that kind of crime in any objective way. I've looked for it and never found anything that could be said to connect the two from what can be called a good study and analysis. If you have a source on the subject, I'll read it if you post it. But really, most of your post seemed like a trip down nostalgia lane that had little to do with gun violence.

Jersey Shore? Maybe it's linked to suicide. I know I'd be thinking about it if I had to watch it. But mass murder? lol

https://www.npr.org/2016/01/05/462017461/guns-in-america-by-the-numbers

An objective fact that I find interesting: Gun ownership in the US has declined from around half of all households to around a third of all households. It's not as simple as taking guns away, because families are already shedding their guns. More likely the problem lies in who owns and who buys them. Maybe we need to figure out how to do a better job of screening out the mass murderer types. Maybe we have too low of a standard for who can purchase all those guns. I don't own a gun so I don't really care who has them. I just want them locked up in a safe according to the NRA's safety guidelines that most gun owners don't follow.


Store guns so they are not accessible to unauthorized persons.

Many factors must be considered when deciding where and how to store guns. A person's particular situation will be a major part of the consideration. Dozens of gun storage devices, as well as locking devices that attach directly to the gun, are available. However, mechanical locking devices, like the mechanical safeties built into guns, can fail and should not be used as a substitute for safe gun handling and the observance of all gun-safety rules.
The only thing that I would consider looking back knowing what we know now is the communication being used to find and radicalize people.
 

Severed Tongue

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This is why I'm a contractor, work alone, in secure buildings with 2 levels of security checks to gain entry.

My Ex worked for Canada Post, and seriously people with mental issues work at these places!
 

TugthePup

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Welcome back then. A lot has changed.

And I defiantly never said that you were not entitled to believe what you like, you should reread my posts if you think I have.


The only thing that I would consider looking back knowing what we know now is the communication being used to find and radicalize people.
It is scary how much disinformation is EVERYWHERE.
 

hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/fedex-indianapolis-mass-shooting-e92ad3117c56357b3b2c71a2903e68a8
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INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — The former employee who shot and killed eight people at a FedEx facility in Indianapolis was interviewed by FBI agents last year, after his mother called police to say that her son might commit “suicide by cop,” the bureau said Friday.

Coroners began the slow process of identifying the victims as family members spent hours agonizing over word of their loved ones. The slayings Thursday night marked the latest in a string of recent mass shootings to rock the U.S.

The shooter was identified as Brandon Scott Hole of Indianapolis, Deputy Police Chief Craig McCartt told a news conference. Investigators searched a home in Indianapolis associated with Hole and seized evidence, including desktop computers and other electronic media, McCartt said. The home is located in a neighborhood of midcentury houses near Interstate 465.

Hole began firing randomly at people in the parking lot of the FedEx facility late Thursday, killing four, before entering the building, fatally shooting four more people and then turning the gun on himself, McCartt said. He said the shooter apparently killed himself shortly before police entered the building. He said he did not know if Hole owned the gun legally.

“There was no confrontation with anyone that was there,” he said. “There was no disturbance, there was no argument. He just appeared to randomly start shooting.”

McCartt said the slayings took place in a matter of minutes, and that there were at least 100 people in the facility at the time. Many were changing shifts or were on their dinner break, he said. Several people were wounded, including five who were taken to the hospital.

A FedEx employee said he was working inside the building Thursday night when he heard several gunshots in rapid succession.

“I see a man come out with a rifle in his hand and he starts firing and he starts yelling stuff that I could not understand,” Levi Miller told WTHR-TV. “What I ended up doing was ducking down to make sure he did not see me because I thought he would see me and he would shoot me.”

Paul Keenan, special agent in charge of the FBI’s Indianapolis field office, said Friday that agents questioned Hole last year after his mother called police to say that her son might commit “suicide by cop.” He said the FBI was called after items were found in Hole’s bedroom but he did not elaborate on what they were. He said agents found no evidence of a crime and that they did not identify Hole as espousing a racially motivated ideology. A police report obtained by The Associated Press shows that officers seized a pump-action shotgun from Hole’s home after responding to the mother’s call. Keenan said the gun was never returned.

McCartt said Hole was a former employee of FedEx and last worked for the company in 2020. The deputy police chief said he did not know why Hole left the job or if he had ties to the workers in the facility. He said police have not yet uncovered a motive for the shooting.

Police Chief Randal Taylor noted that a “significant” number of employees at the FedEx facility are members of the Sikh community, and the Sikh Coalition later issued a statement saying it was “sad to confirm” that at least four of those killed were community members.

The coalition, which identifies itself as the largest Sikh civil rights organization in the U.S., said in the statement that it expected authorities to “conduct a full investigation — including the possibility of bias as a factor.”

The agonizing wait by the workers’ families was exacerbated by the fact that most employees aren’t allowed to carry cellphones inside the FedEx building, making contact with them difficult.

“When you see notifications on your phone, but you’re not getting a text back from your kid and you’re not getting information and you still don’t know where they are … what are you supposed to do?” Mindy Carson said early Friday, fighting back tears.

Carson later said she had heard from her daughter Jessica, who works in the facility, and that she was OK.

FedEx said in a statement that cellphone access is limited to a small number of workers in the dock and package sorting areas to “support safety protocols and minimize potential distractions.”

FedEx Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Frederick Smith called the shooting a “senseless act of violence.”

“This is a devastating day, and words are hard to describe the emotions we all feel,” he wrote in an email to employees.

The killings marked the latest in a string of recent mass shootings across the country and the third mass shooting this year in Indianapolis. Five people, including a pregnant woman, were shot and killed in the city in January, and a man was accused of killing three adults and a child before abducting his daughter during at argument at a home in March. In other states last month, eight people were fatally shot at massage businesses in the Atlanta area, and 10 died in gunfire at a supermarket in Boulder, Colorado.

Indianapolis Mayor Joe Hogsett said the community must guard against resignation and “the assumption that this is simply how it must be and we might as well get used to it.”

President Joe Biden said he had been briefed on the shooting and called gun violence “an epidemic” in the U.S.

“Too many Americans are dying every single day from gun violence. It stains our character and pierces the very soul of our nation,” he said in a statement. Later, he tweeted, “We can, and must, do more to reduce gun violence and save lives.”

Full Coverage: Indiana

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she was “horrified and heartbroken” by the shooting and called for congressional action on gun control.

“As we pray for the families of all affected, we must work urgently to enact commonsense gun violence prevention laws to save lives & prevent this suffering,” the Democratic leader said in a tweet.

Gov. Eric Holcomb ordered flags to be flown at half-staff until April 20.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Are FBI agents qualified to make this kind of assessment? Maybe someone trained better to evaluate people and have a deep dive into them might accompany these agents for such calls, In any case after such an encounter an extensive psychological evaluation should be done before someone like this could own a gun. It sounds like he had a bit of schizophrenia or some other organic mental issue, Depressed people generally don't take others out with them, something else is usually required for that, along with depression. The two morons who shot up Columbine and did themselves in didn't strike me as particularly depressed, just fucked up and socially maladapted. Though I did have the leader marked out as a sociopath.
 

Fogdog

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A country awash in guns does make for some great movies though and high drama. Hollywood would have to invent America if it didn't already exist.
Welcome back then. A lot has changed.

And I defiantly never said that you were not entitled to believe what you like, you should reread my posts if you think I have.


The only thing that I would consider looking back knowing what we know now is the communication being used to find and radicalize people.
not what he said, but OK, things going forward might be different. The line about Grand Theft Auto was pure speculation. There is no information to back that claim up. There is nothing to back what you said either.

Mainly, what I'm seeing in the recent collection of gun nut excuses and deflections is just that. Speculation, uninformed speculation at that.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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not what he said, but OK, things going forward might be different. The line about Grand Theft Auto was pure speculation. There is no information to back that claim up. There is nothing to back what you said either.

Mainly, what I'm seeing in the recent collection of gun nut excuses and deflections is just that. Speculation, uninformed speculation at that.
They are worried now more than ever, 145 mass shooting since the beginning of the year and majorities including gun owners wanting regulation, minimal though it might be, it's a start. With the republicans in disarray and the NRA screwed, nobody is distributing talking points for them to repeat. The hardcore gun nuts tend to lack imagination and need guidance in these matters. Sensible regulation for now, only stuff with popular support, take no chances with allowing the republicans to gain power or use guns to excite the base in an off election year.

All the hardcore gun nuts are the most violent and amount to 4% of gunowners, they all have multiple weapons and most imagine they will go down fighting in their bunker. The cops will just bust them out in the open when they are going to their half ton and take them by surprise, most won't put up a fight with several weapons on trained them from behind.
 

HGCC

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Here’s an idea. Copy what’s being done in countries where gun violence isn’t a problem.

Warning: may require observing socialists
It really is sort of a unique American thing. I recall Michael Moore wandering around Canada trying to figure it out. Perhaps poutine is the answer.

Something about our culture really embraces violence. I really don't know what drives it, but it seems like something that has just always been there. I am tempted to say it's the Hollywood version of cowboys that maybe embedded it within our culture. I make the hollywood distinction because I don't see gauchos in the Andes or the actual real cowboys as having much cultural impact. Within America though the western was a big freaking deal for a long time, shaping parents and grandparents that impact where we now are. That morphed into the Rambo type stuff that was prevalent when I grew up. At least that's what makes the most sense to me as a culprit. Lots of settling differences in some epic gun battle being held up as ideal.

We had plenty of gun violence before westerns, thinking mostly 20s gangsters and such, but that gun violence is just sort of secondary to whatever other crime. Our problem isn't really the gun violence that goes along with crime, it's that we are just freaking crazy and settle disputes by shooting. Various third world places have lots of murder, but its a function of a larger crime like selling coke, not just the means by which they settle parking disputes.

Edit: lol...damn Marilyn Manson and hula hoops. Sticking with my argument, but I did just blame the media.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Something about our culture really embraces violence.
It's really all about racism, and guns are a means of white supremacy and symbols of the "white tribe". It's why the cops kill any Blackman they find with a gun and suck the asses of white gun owners when the pull them over and fawn over their 2nd amendment rights. God & guns is just a dog whistle for racists and other fear driven losers. It's not that they will replace you, they will out perform and out compete you, but I suppose marinization is the same as replacement. Better people with better genes and brown skin, Darwin at work, don't fight nature, you'll lose. :lol:
 

Lowkeygardener

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that's the only way to stop gun violence. remove the gun.
And in its place you can insert any other type of “violence”. When will people start blaming people instead of the gun. Pencils don’t fail tests, the student does. Guns don’t kill people, people do. In what world do criminals follow laws? Look at Chicago.. strictest gun laws in the nation yet have the worst gun crime.
 

V256.420

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And in its place you can insert any other type of “violence”. When will people start blaming people instead of the gun. Pencils don’t fail tests, the student does. Guns don’t kill people, people do. In what world do criminals follow laws? Look at Chicago.. strictest gun laws in the nation yet have the worst gun crime.
If people had to kill each other with pencils the world would be a much safer place :eyesmoke:
 

Unclebaldrick

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What the news doesn't tell you is that 9 out of 10 of these type "shooters" are on antidepressant drugs. The news is not allowed to report that because the drug companies are TV advertisers and their contract states no reporting about their products.

But, if you follow the details, you'll find out.

So, you want to stop this kind of stuff.... stop drugging America.
Or maybe 9 out of 10 suffer mental illness?

Nah, that's crazy.
 

Rob Roy

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you were too much of a pussy to stop them from locking you in a prison cell where you got raped over and over again
I am satisfied with the choices I made when the badmen came calling.

I've never been sexually raped, but I don't mind if you want to fantasize about me in your perverted sexual way. I know you like to.
 

Herb & Suds

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And in its place you can insert any other type of “violence”. When will people start blaming people instead of the gun. Pencils don’t fail tests, the student does. Guns don’t kill people, people do. In what world do criminals follow laws? Look at Chicago.. strictest gun laws in the nation yet have the worst gun crime.
Same stupid failed argument
Guns in Chicago are directly due to lax Indiana gun laws

But the ignorant won't admit it
 
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