Final Flush

2ANONYMOUS said:

Dr Who although i agree with you on the flushing myth ,, for the life of me never understood why people will starve there plants at the most crucial time of flowering phase.
Last 2 weeks,,
Personally I think Ed came into the picture at the right time , to make a book , Although i have no respect for him, He is a bum .. And for selling himself out , But that is another story lol.

Personally i think both methods of nutes have there plus and minus, Sure i a person gets stuck into hydro store chemical nute line it can be costly, but also there are alternatives as in salts based chem nutes that are rather really cheap .. but that comes with experience and time
When it comes to comparing organic vs chem or what ever there is no contest Chem nutes being chelated immediate food for a plant is a win every time .. Really there is no comparison being truth full stick a 2 " rooted clone in organic soil ,, and another in coco or undecurrent DWC chem fed veg 2 weeks and flip which plant will be bigger and yield more ???

I find the flavor myth to be just that , its all strain related as in canobinoids , and terps got nothing to do with mediums , its that fake sense people get, cause it was grown in chemical nutes its going to taste like chems ,,
Could be the same as, organic bud was grown n horse shit,, So it tastes like horse shit Right ????

So with all that said organics has its perks , as in once you have a decent soil recipe, its water only, and can be much easier but most of the time recipes, fall short hence top dressing , and teas ,, adding amendments blindly not knowing actual or having soil tests done to determine exactly what soil has ,,, There is a fine line with organics sometimes to much of P or K can cause just as much damage right let alone trace mineral content ..

With chemical a person can fine tune there feeding schedule run a tighter ship hence eventual savings in chem nutes ,, but again needs to run a broad spectrum from ph , EC , you name it
But again to each there own ..
with the new tree hugger go organic craze out there does not by any means going to take over actual agricultural industry , NEVER

Dr you failed to mention how long you vegged for to get that 10 zips organically would love to see a picture if you have one must of looked bitching
Happy new year

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2ANONYMOUS said:

Dr Who although i agree with you on the flushing myth ,, for the life of me never understood why people will starve there plants at the most crucial time of flowering phase.
Last 2 weeks,,
Personally I think Ed came into the picture at the right time , to make a book , Although i have no respect for him, He is a bum .. And for selling himself out , But that is another story lol.

Personally i think both methods of nutes have there plus and minus, Sure i a person gets stuck into hydro store chemical nute line it can be costly, but also there are alternatives as in salts based chem nutes that are rather really cheap .. but that comes with experience and time
When it comes to comparing organic vs chem or what ever there is no contest Chem nutes being chelated immediate food for a plant is a win every time .. Really there is no comparison being truth full stick a 2 " rooted clone in organic soil ,, and another in coco or undecurrent DWC chem fed veg 2 weeks and flip which plant will be bigger and yield more ???

I find the flavor myth to be just that , its all strain related as in canobinoids , and terps got nothing to do with mediums , its that fake sense people get, cause it was grown in chemical nutes its going to taste like chems ,,
Could be the same as, organic bud was grown n horse shit,, So it tastes like horse shit Right ????

So with all that said organics has its perks , as in once you have a decent soil recipe, its water only, and can be much easier but most of the time recipes, fall short hence top dressing , and teas ,, adding amendments blindly not knowing actual or having soil tests done to determine exactly what soil has ,,, There is a fine line with organics sometimes to much of P or K can cause just as much damage right let alone trace mineral content ..

With chemical a person can fine tune there feeding schedule run a tighter ship hence eventual savings in chem nutes ,, but again needs to run a broad spectrum from ph , EC , you name it
But again to each there own ..
with the new tree hugger go organic craze out there does not by any means going to take over actual agricultural industry , NEVER

Dr you failed to mention how long you vegged for to get that 10 zips organically would love to see a picture if you have one must of looked bitching
Happy new year

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Cali420hydro said:

I know personally the dispensary I frequent that mgmnt has told a few so -called vendors to start flushing their product because of the amount of complaints the dispensary was getting.so flushing or leeching during your grow can't be a myth or bullshit?

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Cali420hydro said:

Do you prefer growing DWC or in Coco?& what Nutes do you use.I use Gen Hydro but this next grow I'm thinking of going Canna or Dutch-Pro?

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2ANONYMOUS said:

Dr Who although i agree with you on the flushing myth ,, for the life of me never understood why people will starve there plants at the most crucial time of flowering phase.
Last 2 weeks,,
Personally I think Ed came into the picture at the right time , to make a book , Although i have no respect for him, He is a bum .. And for selling himself out , But that is another story lol.

Personally i think both methods of nutes have there plus and minus, Sure i a person gets stuck into hydro store chemical nute line it can be costly, but also there are alternatives as in salts based chem nutes that are rather really cheap .. but that comes with experience and time
When it comes to comparing organic vs chem or what ever there is no contest Chem nutes being chelated immediate food for a plant is a win every time .. Really there is no comparison being truth full stick a 2 " rooted clone in organic soil ,, and another in coco or undecurrent DWC chem fed veg 2 weeks and flip which plant will be bigger and yield more ???

I find the flavor myth to be just that , its all strain related as in canobinoids , and terps got nothing to do with mediums , its that fake sense people get, cause it was grown in chemical nutes its going to taste like chems ,,
Could be the same as, organic bud was grown n horse shit,, So it tastes like horse shit Right ????

So with all that said organics has its perks , as in once you have a decent soil recipe, its water only, and can be much easier but most of the time recipes, fall short hence top dressing , and teas ,, adding amendments blindly not knowing actual or having soil tests done to determine exactly what soil has ,,, There is a fine line with organics sometimes to much of P or K can cause just as much damage right let alone trace mineral content ..

With chemical a person can fine tune there feeding schedule run a tighter ship hence eventual savings in chem nutes ,, but again needs to run a broad spectrum from ph , EC , you name it
But again to each there own ..
with the new tree hugger go organic craze out there does not by any means going to take over actual agricultural industry , NEVER

Dr you failed to mention how long you vegged for to get that 10 zips organically would love to see a picture if you have one must of looked bitching
Happy new year

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Dr. Who said:

See, now we're right back to proper dry and cure!
Dimes to dollars it was not done properly!
Sadly many - way many shortcut the dry and cure to get to market faster! It's not hard to dry your product out quicker and jar when smell seems good enough. Resulting smoke is nasty! But works...

The dispensary you frequent needs to learn how to distinguish...It takes time to learn that and testing does help plenty....

Leeching is for overage corrections and reducing salt build up in Coco. Many simply do a "run through" watering method in coco to "avoid" the build up and only leech at the change to bloom nutes.....



Like I said, I'm soil.
When I ran DWC (jeese you give me the urge to "play" some more) I did Root Riot starters to 3x3 Rockwool to netpots with hydroton.
My 2 favorite synthetic nutrients were HESI and CANNA and HESI was my go - to choice, as I could drop some things and add others, along with supplement at my whim better......Both were very equal - edge to HESI.

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Cali420hydro said:

Nice set-up is it a Current Culture DWC

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Dr. Who said:

I'll answer this here for easy understanding (no dis).
Everything is ORGANIC water only hand built soils.
I do a 2 soil up potting method.
Known Heavy feeders get a mix of ORGANIC nutrients in the form of a seaweed, a nutrient (Age Old Bloom), a home brewed tea tailored to the strain and a bit of Thrive Alive "Green" label (organic).....

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Dr. Who said:

I'll answer this here for easy understanding (no dis).
Everything is ORGANIC water only hand built soils.
I do a 2 soil up potting method.
Known Heavy feeders get a mix of ORGANIC nutrients in the form of a seaweed, a nutrient (Age Old Bloom), a home brewed tea tailored to the strain and a bit of Thrive Alive "Green" label (organic).....

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Dr. Who said:

Overall a big agreement from me!

I would note that as far as yields go.....You can just about match hydro BUT, your correct when you say the speed of hydro does blow soil away.

And you are correct again on the veg time as being a bit longer and from seed.....The clones picked for the next tier are nicely faster but, still slower then hydro to get my results.
No I did not document that run in pics.....I still have a bit of an aversion to taking pics of grows and keeping them around. If ever the Feds were to decide I was bad enough to visit. It would give record for them to use in charges filed and taxes owed....(I know a guy who got popped and was charged for 7 YEARS worth of nicely keep and dated pics that lead to a huge tax charge besides.

I can flip a shot of the present room but, I have to wait till lights out to do it......give me a day and I'll post that.. (a few odd bud and room shots I'm ok with - mostly)

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Dr. Who said:

Overall a big agreement from me!

I would note that as far as yields go.....You can just about match hydro BUT, your correct when you say the speed of hydro does blow soil away.

And you are correct again on the veg time as being a bit longer and from seed.....The clones picked for the next tier are nicely faster but, still slower then hydro to get my results.
No I did not document that run in pics.....I still have a bit of an aversion to taking pics of grows and keeping them around. If ever the Feds were to decide I was bad enough to visit. It would give record for them to use in charges filed and taxes owed....(I know a guy who got popped and was charged for 7 YEARS+ worth (they watched him for a cpl of years) of nicely keep and dated pics that lead to a huge tax charge besides. This was a commercial size op and they waited on purpose to run up the tab, as they correctly figured that he had been doing this a lot longer and the pics played that out- their words in court!)

I can flip a shot of the present room but, I have to wait till lights out to do it......give me a day and I'll post that.. (a few odd bud and room shots I'm ok with - mostly)

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2ANONYMOUS said:

Yes this year i had a Visit from drug crimes unit although they never popped me they made me chop down the trees ,, one cop said why do i grow it cause its ilegal ,, my answer was why do people speed that is illegal he just grinned but after that i also wipped my hard drives etc ..
And yes same thing applies was investigated and people around me went down for smuggling drugs 6 - 7 years after the Fact pretty scary when your name is brought up in court in there cases , anyways pretty much told BY LEO i am being watched and pretty much pushed me out of town

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2ANONYMOUS said:

For years the myth ran wild to start starving your plants ( Yellow off in end of bloom phase )
But is just it a myth ran wild ,,
Would love to slap the fucker that came up with this idea let plants start eatting itself it goes beyond mother natures true way ,,
99 percent of the time growers number 1 mistake when flipping is cutting N off this is the biggest mistake
when we look at organics or soils or all life N is the main ingredient its needed in all stages cut N off in organic micro life will slow down hence less food for worms , plants it compounds
when we flip to flower its fucking crucial our plants are 100 percent healthy and green there is no correcting once in flower as well the 2 - 3 week stretch period ( Stretch phase ) is still considered VEG in real world settings till flower / fruit set its VEG and needs N this is where people fuck up plant uses 90 percent of its stored N cause we cut it off there fore mid flower def start well not only did you fuck up but plants health is hurt hence less harvest ..
We got to get past when we look outside in fall and see leafs on trees turning color.. its not the same thing not even close
I chuckle all the time when i see people start flushing or feeding less nutrients to plants thinking that is the way to go ,,
Its not plants has its own mind and decides what it needs and when to stop as in cycles
The real goal is to feed your plant a well balanced feed through out its life span and t will reward you tri fold
And that is keeping it green you must fight to keep that plant green and healthy as long as you can if it yellow off to soon you fucked up its not natural
the Real jedi growers know this and have figured out the perfect N ratio for flowering stop believing nutrient companies and there ratio's remember there nute line is not MJ specific its a wide range of plant species

People think that flushing last 2 weeks is going to rid plant of its mineral content of N P K while you fed it for months ???? its laughable never will happen and most importantly remember the plant breaks down the NPK to a different form of energy that it can use so again its not your smoking Nitrogen or phos but smoking sugars and starches the shit converted into
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Cali420hydro said:

Thanx for all the info man,I thought I had some fungus gnats last night & I went into my room with the green light a few minutes ago and the same net pot had more but they look bigger than gnats?im seriously thinking about terminating the grow because it looks like there r more than there were last night,Thise lil bastards!!!

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