First BHO attempts. WTF did I make?

Qwatch2000 said:

Let it sit in the freezer for a couple days and then filter through an Unbleached coffee filter. You purge the alcohol off however you want. Heat or it will evaporate eventually. I'm not sure if you can use your vacuum for the alcohol. How much did you say you spent on your vac? I was looking at one and it was going to be less than 200 for pump and chamber

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Got it. This is called winterizing. I'm going to leave it in the freezer for a couple of days, filter it threw a coffee filter, evaporate and I read I could vac it again in 90 deg temp and???? then I'll find out what it makes when I finish it.
This was what I got, $199.00. It may not have been the best value but it will hold a full vac overnight. My only gripe is the gasket started falling out of the lid when I pick it up.
http://www.amazon.com/BACOENG-Gallon-Vacuum-Chamber-Stage/dp/B00W8Z1QTE?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00

Qwatch2000 said:

Yeah I've realized you can spend as much or as little as you want when it comes to making bubble. I'm going to get an inexpensive set of bags and do a dry ice shake and sift type deal in a bit when I have more material to work with.

I have to agree with everyone about the BHO. I took a stab at it, came out worse than yours, winterized it with 151 Everclear and it came out a tad better. Still gave me a headache and I almost started to sink more money into equipment to start making it.

I haven't spent much at all and I'm very close to have an awesome little rosin press and stop replacing hair straighteners.

I think you should try to winterizing what you have with the 200 proof alcohol (lots of how tos) and cut your losses there.

Just my two cents. Do what you do, just be safe.

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Thanks, I tried making ice hash but not dry ice shake. That sounds promising and I have the bubble bags. I am winterizing it now while I sip on a little orange juice and 190 proof everclear. I was surprised that it is either tasteless or I have killed all of my taste buds, I haven't decided which.

Probably the latter haha! Yeah there is tons of info out there most of it is spend a bunch of money or just don't do it. I tried and realized I just couldn't afford all the equipment it would really take to do it right. I'm the same way though I only test on myself and I paid the price. (Migraines the whole next day) rosin and soft is where I'm at. I may try again when I have more to work with since I have some of the stuff already. I'm putting my resources into an indoor garden to keep this household in produce year round instead. Tired of paying someone else's bills.

MuckyDucky said:

Thanks, I tried making ice hash but not dry ice shake. That sounds promising and I have the bubble bags. I am winterizing it now while I sip on a little orange juice and 190 proof everclear. I was surprised that it is either tasteless or I have killed all of my taste buds, I haven't decided which.

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ok to help u out

what u made was crumble ........it is caused by water left in the oil and whipping it ( if u hit it with a lighter about 120 130 degrees it would of melted again and cooled done the same thing)

using ever clear and freezing it will help to remove the water but it might do it again (use 99% iso it has 1% water in it this will gather the other water).....note 2 kinds of ever clear
1 180%......90% ethanol 10% water
2 195%.......98% ethanol 2% water
if u used the 180% u will need to use iso if the 195% u are good

iso vapes temp is 182 f
prue ethanol 187 f
water 212 f

now something no one has talked about in this chat with is a decarboxylation

as u sawl in my how too i did not list it like others would have (grind the weed then put it on a cookie sheet hit with 210 for 20 mins is the normal)

it turns THCa into active THC increasing the power of it .......u can find temp guides and all that just by googling decarboxylation......ok now with the stuff u have if u have not already decarbed it u can use this to help purge out the oil

at the same time u decarb it .........the same thing happens in a vacuum oven chamber the lower temps allows it to run longer with out lowing the THC ( if u decrab to long u break the THC down into other chemicals it is a balance act for power and purity )

do u get what i am saying

a PIC cooktop the right kind of skillet with correct wax paper / silicon tray
pour the stuff in there and take it to 216 use for 10 mins reduce down to 160 and let set for 20 mins
scoop it up into a dab container before u let it cool


now for this know how u must pass it on to some other new guy later down the road ....help who u can where u can ....we are even

the 10 mins on 216 should remove all the solvents and water............... the 20 mins on 160 is to purge out the last remaining bits

if u want u can scoop it up in the container then place it back on top of the pic at 160 for about 35/40 mins more (at that point u are close to tipping over and lowering thc) but the large collective pass of it will gather up any last bits of it and bubble out itnto the air

u have some pretty good oil at the end

if u used the right kind of butane and the right micron screen the oil can be used for anything ......including makng evape juice u just need to go to 25 micron screen to keep the unit from clogging up to fast

not counting prep work u are looking 2 1/2 3 hours of work

I prefer bubble I can work with it a little more and it doesn't hurt my throat snokin dabs is a pain I like to throw a couple bbs of bubble in my pipe and just smoke it nice and clean

justugh said:

ok to help u out

what u made was crumble ........it is caused by water left in the oil and whipping it ( if u hit it with a lighter about 120 130 degrees it would of melted again and cooled done the same thing)

using ever clear and freezing it will help to remove the water but it might do it again (use 99% iso it has 1% water in it this will gather the other water).....note 2 kinds of ever clear
1 180%......90% ethanol 10% water
2 195%.......98% ethanol 2% water
if u used the 180% u will need to use iso if the 195% u are good

iso vapes temp is 182 f
prue ethanol 187 f
water 212 f

now something no one has talked about in this chat with is a decarboxylation

as u sawl in my how too i did not list it like others would have (grind the weed then put it on a cookie sheet hit with 210 for 20 mins is the normal)

it turns THCa into active THC increasing the power of it .......u can find temp guides and all that just by googling decarboxylation......ok now with the stuff u have if u have not already decarbed it u can use this to help purge out the oil

at the same time u decarb it .........the same thing happens in a vacuum oven chamber the lower temps allows it to run longer with out lowing the THC ( if u decrab to long u break the THC down into other chemicals it is a balance act for power and purity )

do u get what i am saying

a PIC cooktop the right kind of skillet with correct wax paper / silicon tray
pour the stuff in there and take it to 216 use for 10 mins reduce down to 160 and let set for 20 mins
scoop it up into a dab container before u let it cool


now for this know how u must pass it on to some other new guy later down the road ....help who u can where u can ....we are even

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Thanks again for taking the time to compile this. I'm getting what you are saying but absorbing it all into my little brain can be slow. I am trying to end up with something that can be stored in the frig or freezer for long periods without much degradation.
I dissolved the wax in 95% everclear.
Put it in the freezer for 24 hrs, then strained it with a coffee filter in the freezer..
Then poured it into a pyrex dish covered with cheese cloth because of contamination and I am bumping the heat up to 120deg or so to evaporate the ethanol.

I want to decarbonize as little as possible for better and longer storage. I have only had it up to 140deg so far and that was when it turned into wax.

So, if I keep the temp below 140 do you think it will get to the state that can be stored longer?

Qwatch2000 said:

Probably the latter haha! Yeah there is tons of info out there most of it is spend a bunch of money or just don't do it. I tried and realized I just couldn't afford all the equipment it would really take to do it right. I'm the same way though I only test on myself and I paid the price. (Migraines the whole next day) rosin and soft is where I'm at. I may try again when I have more to work with since I have some of the stuff already. I'm putting my resources into an indoor garden to keep this household in produce year round instead. Tired of paying someone else's bills.

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Yodaweed said:

Here in Colorado Springs it is outlawed, only licensed companies can do it , and its extremely hard and expensive to get the licenses. They made it that way because there was houses catching fire from butane blow outs in large numbers. BHO is not safe to produce even the professionals have close calls and accidents that can and do claim their lives. Rosin and bubble hash are much safer you might want to try those first.

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Saddly I'm not from a place where I would have to worry about a bunch of crazy stoned mfs blowing up their houses. I am in a world of my own.

MuckyDucky said:

Thanks again for taking the time to compile this. I'm getting what you are saying but absorbing it all into my little brain can be slow. I am trying to end up with something that can be stored in the frig or freezer for long periods without much degradation.
I dissolved the wax in 95% everclear.
Put it in the freezer for 24 hrs, then strained it with a coffee filter in the freezer..
Then poured it into a pyrex dish covered with cheese cloth because of contamination and I am bumping the heat up to 120deg or so to evaporate the ethanol.

I want to decarbonize as little as possible for better and longer storage. I have only had it up to 140deg so far and that was when it turned into wax.

So, if I keep the temp below 140 do you think it will get to the state that can be stored longer?

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if u are looking to store it for long term and have no need for it

the answer is simple ......devolve it in a bottle of iso ....set the bottle some place untill u want it then u need 3/4 days to let the iso vape off and u have fresh oil to use

just store it in a cool place with no direct light on it in theory it can sit there for years with out losing anything .......it is also a great trick for shipping large amounts in the mail....ethonal works too ....but iso is better for the 1 % factor


as for what u are talking about to get the ethanol to vape off u need it to be 187 f other wise it is not vaping it is just passing into the air like iso does ......u are de carbing it more with the amount of time it would take it for to cook off.......cook it off fast at 187 then drop the temp down once it is gone should be less then 30 mins of work with a large tray more surface area fast vape off

as for the other stuff ...........the only thing u want to do is
the 4 unbleached coffee filters .....pouring the ever clear tho it while it is still frozen (u are trapping the ice crystals in the ethanol)

no need for cheese cloth or anything like that once it has gone tho the 4 filters (4 filters should make a micron screen around 15 ....so it will get everything except the really tiny stuff)

hyroot said:

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Hyroot, protector of and wannabe leader of the masses, has an important point that we all should consider when making bho. Butane is flammable, odorless and heavier than air. Because it is heavier than air without any air circulation it will pool into the lowest point. The top part of the butane pool will combine with the air and oxygen. If a spark occurs in that area it will flash and explode.

Many years ago my father was driving to work in the early morning hours and he drove down into a low spot that had a gas pipeline leak and the whole area exploded. They said it was ignited by the cars electrical system. He didn't make it. He had burns over 70% of his body. He hung on for several days. It was very sad to watch.

justugh said:

if u are looking to store it for long term and have no need for it

the answer is simple ......devolve it in a bottle of iso ....set the bottle some place untill u want it then u need 3/4 days to let the iso vape off and u have fresh oil to use

just store it in a cool place with no direct light on it in theory it can sit there for years with out losing anything .......it is also a great trick for shipping large amounts in the mail....ethonal works too ....but iso is better for the 1 % factor


as for what u are talking about to get the ethanol to vape off u need it to be 187 f other wise it is not vaping it is just passing into the air like iso does ......u are de carbing it more with the amount of time it would take it for to cook off.......cook it off fast at 187 then drop the temp down once it is gone should be less then 30 mins of work with a large tray more surface area fast vape off

as for the other stuff ...........the only thing u want to do is
the 4 unbleached coffee filters .....pouring the ever clear tho it while it is still frozen (u are trapping the ice crystals in the ethanol)

no need for cheese cloth or anything like that once it has gone tho the 4 filters (4 filters should make a micron screen around 15 ....so it will get everything except the really tiny stuff)

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Success!!! When the everclear evaporated it left a clear honey colored oil which is very mild in a vape pen but packs a wallop.. It was messy to work with but I managed to get it into silicone containers for storage.

I am evaporating another small batch, frozen and strained, today and I turned to temp up to 185-190 and I'll compare the differences.

You still need to vac purge the oil. There's alcohol residue trapped in the oil. It doesn't all evaporate. .

ethonal is food grade .......aslong as he got all the water out it would not matter .....the mercaps whould be gone from the ethonal

the vaccuum purge would remove near 100% of it but since he did the ethonal method the oil should be fine for any use he wants including candy

hyroot said:

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ya.. u see the video of the guys with the closed loop ? so it don't matter open or closed.. closed = cleaner butane ifu clean it before hand. only difference.. and its cheaper. because u pay for less butane.. higher upfront cost.. but lower running cost

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hyroot said:

You still need to vac purge the oil. There's alcohol residue trapped in the oil. It doesn't all evaporate. .

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Yep, it bubbled and mushroomed like crazy. Vacuuming it firmed the oil up too making it easier to work with.

justugh said:

ethonal is food grade .......aslong as he got all the water out it would not matter .....the mercaps whould be gone from the ethonal
the vaccuum purge would remove near 100% of it but since he did the ethonal method the oil should be fine for any use he wants including candy

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.LOL, imho it would be fine unvacuumed for etables but for burning or vaping getting rid of all of the impurities possible will give a much milder result.

MuckyDucky said:

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Yep, it bubbled and mushroomed like crazy. Vacuuming it firmed the oil up too making it easier to work with.



.LOL, imho it would be fine unvacuumed for etables but for burning or vaping getting rid of the impurities possible will give a much milder result.

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i am old school .....the cough gets u off ( lower oxygen spike in blood pressure faster transfer rate due the increase pressure and faster heart beat) ....the hit u took hits better need less last longer .....just inhail hold for up to 12 secs let go if u got a cough do it u will see what i mean
....the only reason anyone should dab BHO is if they been smoking as long as me and that is what it takes to get a rec high (23 years smoking 14 none stop daily) ....only reason i make the stuff is evape tanks and edibles ( the evapes are accept in public and the candies are easy to carry around hidden method) .....i am more medical just need to maintain a lvl so bi polar does not kick up

plants now a days i am making 23/24% thc plants and i know other strains going into low 30s ........bho waxes and all that u are talking in the 70% by volume area higher if the strain has no cbds.....back in the day u were lucky to see a strain above 10%

if u want a no cough smooth hit ..........u need to do rosin method or CO2 super critical method
the other methods are not cost effective for that unless u are doing large amounts on a weekly base to off set the cost of the solvents and time it takes


but if u are dabbing over just vaping a flower ......u might think of a detox month to lower your tolerance lvls ...........dabbing bad it is one set away from shooting it into veins at some point i figure they will make as it already comes in a inhaler (england medical studies did it so canada will copy at some point)

i have a buddy that is doing 2 grams a day of dabbing ........we are talking about putting him in rehab for 3 months .....he keeps smoking more and more and the shit is not cheap around here 70 to 100 a gram for the good shit

justugh said:

i am old school .....the cough gets u off ( lower oxygen spike in blood pressure faster transfer rate due the increase pressure and faster heart beat) ....the hit u took hits better need less last longer .....just inhail hold for up to 12 secs let go if u got a cough do it u will see what i mean
....the only reason anyone should dab BHO is if they been smoking as long as me and that is what it takes to get a rec high (23 years smoking 14 none stop daily) ....only reason i make the stuff is evape tanks and edibles ( the evapes are accept in public and the candies are easy to carry around hidden method) .....i am more medical just need to maintain a lvl so bi polar does not kick up

plants now a days i am making 23/24% thc plants and i know other strains going into low 30s ........bho waxes and all that u are talking in the 70% by volume area higher if the strain has no cbds.....back in the day u were lucky to see a strain above 10%

if u want a no cough smooth hit ..........u need to do rosin method or CO2 super critical method
the other methods are not cost effective for that unless u are doing large amounts on a weekly base to off set the cost of the solvents and time it takes


but if u are dabbing over just vaping a flower ......u might think of a detox month to lower your tolerance lvls ...........dabbing bad it is one set away from shooting it into veins at some point i figure they will make as it already comes in a inhaler (england medical studies did it so canada will copy at some point)

i have a buddy that is doing 2 grams a day of dabbing ........we are talking about putting him in rehab for 3 months .....he keeps smoking more and more and the shit is not cheap around here 70 to 100 a gram for the good shit

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My situation is much more uncommon. I am a 100% closet medicator. In my world 0 product comes in, 0 goes out and 0 other people know I medicate. I vape most of the time at a cooler temperature and the poo I throw away is probably better than many others smoke. I can't stand harsh. After the winterizing it was mild enough for me to use in a pen vape and mix with bud in a silver surfer. This stuff is my medication. It helps me. It keeps me sane....or not..... :-/ ....kidding...

throwdo said:

I prefer bubble I can work with it a little more and it doesn't hurt my throat snokin dabs is a pain I like to throw a couple bbs of bubble in my pipe and just smoke it nice and clean

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Have you tried co2 ice hash?

MuckyDucky said:

My situation is much more uncommon. I am a 100% closet medicator. In my world 0 product comes in, 0 goes out and 0 other people know I medicate. I vape most of the time at a cooler temperature and the poo I throw away is probably better than many others smoke. I can't stand harsh. After the winterizing it was mild enough for me to use in a pen vape and mix with bud in a silver surfer. This stuff is my medication. It helps me. It keeps me sane....or not..... :-/ ....kidding...

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then u should think candy or tincture

the candies u can make for yourself and keep them in any tin u see from a store in your pocket ....when u feel the need pop one in the mouth ....if anyone askes say sorry u only have a few left and need them for later breath mints ....just carry around 5 or 7

if u ever look like going to get in some shit u can swallow them all ......toss out in water
and u can do cannabutter .......make yourself some cookies for the end of the day or bake it in some lemon bar for the morning .....bag lunch

weed keeps me sane and others alive.......so i understand i am in a area if they caught me doing what i do i am looking at 25 years in prison at least and they can add a year on for each thing they find my back room would get me life

the vape pens are getting noticed ........candies and food is now the safest way to carry without worry