First Grow, Bag Seeds, DIY System

asf2j

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yo cr, i did some research, the best way to think of this is to keep in mind a big dude on steroids.

alright here is an explanation. the reason you should switch to 18/6 is that plants, as well as humans follow a circadian rhythm, human clock are mostly controlled by melanin cycles that sense sunlight. plants are controlled by a plant hormone known as TOC. at night time TOC genes kick in and TOC concentrations rise, during the day, like strikes a phototropin protein(phototropin refers to a protein stimulated by light). this phototropin protein acts as a TOC supressor. this oscillation between day and night give rise to an oscillation in supressor proteins and the TOC hormone. it allows the plant to turn on different hormones and different metabolic chemicals during a night and day cycle.
here is where steroids in an athlete come in to the analogy. is the huge dude on roids is taking synthetic testoterone, he isnt using the glands that produce his natural testosterone, when he stops using steroids, his testes will produce stunted amounts of testosterone.
all of this is the same in plants. TOC and supressors move through cycles. TOC is responsible for turning on specific hormones and genes in flowering. if you are constantly in the day time supressor stage, TOC producing cells in the plant wont be up to par when you go into flowering. the chemical equilibrium in the plant wont have enough TOC, sure you will get some buds, but not nearly as much as if you had followed a more natural cycle. plants are sensitive to light, they are sensitive in that they produce different chemicals in the presence of different lighting conditions. this along with TOC are the reasons why we use different K ratings for different stages.
you have to think about chemical and hormone balance, plants are more complex than the average joe gives them credit for.
 

crownedreaper

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thanks asf2j. I completely understand and quickly set my lights back up on a 18/6 schedule. I know plants are more complex than people give them credit for. That is why I'm sharing this information and asking for input and advice. I would have kept my lights on if I didn't finally have one seedling out of the ground, because it also added to the temperature which would help increase germination and growth :mrgreen:. I appreciate you taking the time to look into my question..thanks man.

As for the current status of my babies...I am happy to say I have one seedling finally sprouted. I had to turn that puppy over because she was growing upside down. As they say curiosity killed the cat and without hesitation after flipping my seedling over I needed to check the other seeds too. I was proud to see a massive (overly exaggerated) root system that had begun to gain color in another rock wool. I also noticed a lot of my seeds had cracked and just needed time to find their way. The plastic tops with the sprayed water helped I believe. I am sorry for the blurry pictures, but I couldn't get them to come out any better.

Also..since they are in the vegged state and 24 hours of light wouldn't kill them...do I need to insure that they get 6 hours of complete darkness? I know in flowering..this is a MUST..but not sure if it is the same in vegging.
 

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Alto

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I went to 18/6 myself after reading THIS
makes sense in the world of plants.
Don't they look so innocent as babies?
 

crownedreaper

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Sorry to keep you all waiting but here is the update...

I have 4 seedling sprouts (FINALLY!), but I can't wait for the rest to start to poke their heads out. All of the seeds have cracked and begun their root. Some are further along than others, but at least they all are awake :mrgreen:. I have been feeding them water directly with a spray I have and plan to leave them under their covers until they touch the top. I've also been running a less then 1/4 of the dosage MaxiGro through the system. I am really excited, because I can finally visually see their development and I have 4 that are off to a jogging start. They all look like lovely ladies :mrgreen:, but can't tell which I would want for the mother yet. Anyways, here are the pictures..let me know what you think.
 

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asf2j

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about how far into the medium did you put the seeds. its been a couple of weeks and im still waiting for the sprout. maybe i planted too deep?
you babies are looking good though. leaving the lids on might not be such a hot idea though.
 

asf2j

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fresh air indeed. as long as you take the lid off every couple of hours you should be straight. those lids are also blocking a good bit of light. even though they are clear, they still block alot of electromagnetic radiation.
 

crownedreaper

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lol thanks. As soon as I hit enter. I thought about it and figured you were right. I already took the lids off of the sprouts, because I figured they need the air the most. I feel as though the lids help them sprout, so I will leave it on the ones that need to sprout.
 

crownedreaper

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Any input on how I should go about watering them? I just right now cut on the watering system. I was thinking about leaving it to run 18 hours a day with the lighting system, because it is drained out immediately back into the res. So, I figured it would be hard to over water them and this assures that they wont be under watered.
 

asf2j

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in my opinion, the roots may rot with that going on, also, unless you have some rooting hormone running in that solution, the roots wont have a chance to stretch and grow more surface area for absorption if they are constantly in contact with water, as long as your medium has some period where they are being watered down, you should be ok.
i''m betting your 18 a day would be good for the watering, if you start seeing the drooping or dark green effect from over watering, you can always back off. better to over water than under water.
just my two cents, might help looking through the threads for someone with the same watering setup...
 

asf2j

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edit that, that first line should say as long as your medium has some period where they "Are'nt being watered down" you should be ok, they need a dry period in there so the roots can stretch and "look" for the water.
 

crownedreaper

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cool. That is exactly what I was thinking..so I figured once the roots find the water that is how I know to transfer the plant to a bigger growing medium, because I can always spray feed them directly and allow the tub to fill and drain at times if I need to raise the water to get to them. Also once I raise the water..the perlite will retain a lot of it and I probably wont have to worry about filling the tub but two maybe three times a day if that much. I can handle doing that responsibly. Thanks again for the help.
 

Alto

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Even twice a day could be enough
If you have a decent amount of Perlite in the mix it will hold the water.
They are really small right now. Those little starter leaves have all the nutes they need for a while.
You may want to hold off feeding nutes until after they have a bit more growth, then start at like 1/4 the recommended dose on your bottles.
I only started to spray my babies recently (day 14) and look what I may have done to poor No2.
I would be careful on the amount of nutes you give them right now either through the water or by spraying.
Some don't foliar feed at all unless they are trying to make up for a deficiency or to relieve stress
Others say to let the Rockwool almost dry out before watering. I am sure if you watch closely that you will notice if you are overdoing it.
That is what all new people do be it this or any endeavor that takes patience.
Slow and steady wins the race.
Just my fear that what happened to me could happen to you.:leaf:
 

crownedreaper

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I will keep a close watch on them to see if my method is working or failing them. I won't feed them any nutes through spray, but I do give them lots of water. That is just because I fear heat burning. I keep the area well ventilated, but I still managed to burn one of my first sprouts out. I know what you mean about not feeding these sprouts nutes yet, because they are still very young and it could be too much for them to handle now. I've already mixed the nutes in at 1/4 the dosage and continually add water to the reservoir. This brings the nutes concentration down even more. I probably shouldn't have added the nutes, but since I already did I've been trying to thin it out as much as possible. Thanks Alto for stopping by to check out my babies and help me with taking care of them. I am going to get my grow journal as organized as yours...it is an inspiration. Keep up the good work.

Edit: Is there any way I could possibly create diy net pots? what kind of material would be ideal?
 

crownedreaper

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:bigjoint:Date: 5/01 – 10:58pm

Room Conditions:
LIGHTS (65w Warm White, 42w Soft White, 65w Cool White, 30w Bright White CFLs) ON 18/6 (off time 12am to 6am)
Distance from top of Growing Medium 13 - 20"
Temperature -
(need a thermometer)
Humidity - (need a reader)
Room/Light vent running-
NO (open space and running CFLs)
Small room fan (on high, facing plants, timed off / on with the lights)


Water Conditions:

Reservoir Aeration running-YES
Temperature – (need a thermometer)
PH –
6.0 (need a better reader)
PPM – (need a reader)


Nutrient Solution:2 GAL.
General Hydroponics MaxiGro (less than 1/4 the dosage)

Notes:
  • Placed sprouts into Perlite, because of root growth and stem sprout.
  • Hooked up a 3 Liter Co2 distributor through the yeast method.
  • Explosive growth...8 of the 15 have sprouted and are looking great.
  • I've discovered extensive root damage to one of the sprouts..it has stunted the sprout's growth.
Images:

1/8- day 6 (individual shots) 10:00(PM)


9- Young ones still on their way...

10- Layout shot

11- Co2 Container

Roll one for me....:joint:

P.S. Thanks Alto for the grow journal layout...
 

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BS420

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my plants are about the same point as yours but they are taller and greener but im using 2 3ft t5 flourecsents. those warm whit lights dont give the right spectrum for vegetative growing.
 

crownedreaper

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yea I know, but any light is better than no light. I plan on upgrading my light set up anyways with 5 cool white bulbs and move those two warm lights over into my five warm light setup for flowering.
 

Alto

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P.S. Thanks Alto for the grow journal layout...
No problem brother
Always glad to help out and make it easier for everyone to keep track of each others grows.

Temp/Humidity gauge for room (Wallmart like 20 USD)
Pet Stores are good for them too, look in Reptile department (usually more $$)
I found a in-water digital thermometer at a pet store made for aquariums that works sweet for your res temps.
Online is best for PH and TDS meters.
EBay stores are good.
Mine were like 20 each (I think 16 for the TDS and 24 for the PH)

Hope that helps you :joint:pass
 
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