First time grower, can i use lights that are meant for filming

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PakkiTheDog said:
I really don't understand what is up with your attitude, definitely didn't expect this kind of behaviour on the marijuana forums. And you definitely are being rude for no real reason. AND YOU ARE A FIRST TIME GROWER!!! And you are giving me shit, because you used google and bought what was suggested to you by others, a recipe you followed to the letter because you probably actually don't have any experience growing plants, and are just being hot headed and overly proud!

I'v worked on the garden ever since i'v been 15 (7 years), planting different vegetables including tomatoes. Do you think growing tomatoes is easy, especially without pesticides? BUT YOU CAN DO IT!!! The plants are stronger than you think and you are exaggerating! Even if the plants die i lose 40€ of seeds, better than hundreds on equipment. STOP being so narrow minded! I respect your opinion, but don't force it on me, especially by being rude when it is uncalled for!

All i want to know is a simple math question. Can a plant successfully grow if (t 15-25°c) + regular watering + 3 weeks 18/6 later 12/12 + 600w HPS + linked lights yes/no? And if no, why not?

You say i should search on google, but you are incapable of telling me yourself. Sometimes it is not the student that can't understand the lesson, but the teacher that can't teach it.
I did google it and it says it's optional! You do know that plants get nutrition from the dirt you buy or the one from the back yard. If you use better nutrition it will grow faster and might produce higher yields, but that doesn't mean nothing will grow if you don't use it. And what kind of soil do you think we have, i leave at the country side in one of the greenest countries in Europe with cleanest water. I really think you are exaggerating a bit.
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You my friend are a moron. I explained to you what you should get and do and you ignored it entirely (which is you’re choice) But, I provided several paragraphs of useful information to which you overlooked and ignored, which again is fine, but stop quoting me and asking me questions when you clearly aren’t willing to hear another perspective.

again, no shit that plants get nutrition from the soil, and anyone can grow shit quality weed, but again, I go back to the original question I asked you.... why would you want to grow shit weed??? Just because you can??? Seems shortsighted and ignorant to me.

And yes, I am a new grower, however anyone woth some knowledge that doesn’t have their head up their ass would agree with a large percentage of the information I have already given you (which you ignored).

being miffed about not getting the answer you want to hear instead of the answer you need to hear is just further indication that you don’t know what you’re doing and should probably do more research before germinating seeds, however, based on the multiple interactions I’ve had with you over the last couple days it’s fairly obvious that you’re going to do what you want and likely end up with shitty results because you took a half assed approach.

so, good luck!
 
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spek9 said:
Once the plants use up the available nutrients, they will starve and die. That's a fact.

The soil you buy that has fertilizer added typically only provides enough nutrition to last 3-5 weeks. After that, you need to add more.

If you believe some Google search that says nutrients are optional, you're reading incorrect information.
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you can’t tell this guy anything man. Let him find out the hard way... I told him (without spoon feeding him everything) some important considerations and resources to get information from (like Jorge Cervantes), and apparently because I’m a self admitted new grower my information is no good.

Let him sprout $100 worth of seeds and kill them all and see if he realizes there is more to it than planting a seed and letting it grow.
 
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PakkiTheDog said:
Oh, thank you so much. What would you suggest to add after the first 3/5 weeks?
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I use General Hydroponics 3-part Flora series, along with calmag. I start feeding nutrients a bit earlier though, as I use a non-soil medium that has no nutrients added (Sunshine Mix #4).

I mix two batches of nutrients. One 15 gallon tank for flower, another for veg. I mix at about 80-85% of what the label recommends, and I find that to be ideal for all of the various strains I may have going at any time.
 
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BuddingHorticulturist said:
you can’t tell this guy anything man. Let him find out the hard way... I told him (without spoon feeding him everything) some important considerations and resources to get information from (like Jorge Cervantes), and apparently because I’m a self admitted new grower my information is no good.

Let him sprout $100 worth of seeds and kill them all and see if he realizes there is more to it than planting a seed and letting it grow.
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Buddy i don't want to have a quarrel with you and we clearly don't agree on many things. But pleas be so decent and let others talk to me if they wish to give me some insight.
 
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spek9 said:
I use General Hydroponics 3-part Flora series, along with calmag. I start feeding nutrients a bit earlier though, as I use a non-soil medium that has no nutrients added (Sunshine Mix #4).

I mix two batches of nutrients. One 15 gallon tank for flower, another for veg. I mix at about 80-85% of what the label recommends, and I find that to be ideal for all of the various strains I may have going at any time.
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Oh marvellous, thank you so much, i'll try it. How about watering? I know it depends on many things, but from your own experience how often and how many liters/galons does it take?
 
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PakkiTheDog said:
Buddy i don't want to have a quarrel with you and we clearly don't agree on many things. But pleas be so decent and let others talk to me if they wish to give me some insight.
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dude I’m just speaking facts. You clearly want spoon fed information that aligns with what you think you know, and you’re not going to find that.

No reputable grower is going to tell you:

“hey man you’re gunna get 3oz per plant of amazing bud if you just put seeds in dirt under photography lights without an automated timer and any sort of climate control, or any type of nutrition plan for the plants.”

you know why?

because by doing do you are setting yourself up for failure. Regardless of my self disclosed experience level I can confidently stand by everything I have said to you. It’s all good advice. You can choose to ignore it and keep asking the same questions while chasing your own tail or you can set your ego aside and actually take the golden advice ive given you and use it constructively to grow a better product.
 
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definitely go for some legit grow lights because the wavelength of filming lights isn't correct a 400 watt hps for flowering and a 400w mh for vegging is cheap enough that it is a no brainer. also i would definitely put everything on timers to subtract human error. Yes regular watering will do but adding nutrients will depend on if you grow in soil or coco coir. I would definitely suggest the technicalities of cannabis before going ahead and growing. You don't take it as a big deal because plants are plants and you are right but despite having a profound knowledge of greenhouse tomatoes,cucumbers and peppers growing, i still had to do research before starting my first grow
 
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steve870 said:
plus yes you absolutely need an exhaust fan i learnt this the hard way. Humidity will build up in your room in a heartbeat
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I tried telling him- you don’t wanna get 4 weeks into flower and have mold forming on your buds because you were too cheap to buy a dehumidifier and exhaust fan.
 
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steve870 said:
seeds are expensive enough to justify these investments. Plus it only takes one grow for your investment to be worthwhile too
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No doubt man.

My ultimate message for him is this:

Anyone can just plant seeds and grow bud... but why go through all that trouble and spend all that money to grow crap weed that you could buy cheaper?

My thought is that we grow because we’re interested in the plant, we like weed, and wanna save some money and source our weed from a place that we can have confidence in it. It’s an investment.

Yup, I spent a good amount of money to source everything for my first grow, but when I’m done, my expected yields will be worth we’ll more than ive got invested.

Add in that I won’t be buying weed cause I’ll have my own supply and you arrive at the simple fact that growing good quality weed is an initial investment that over time will pay for itself. Better off going all in, doing it right, and being satisfied with your end product than grow some crappy popcorn nugs in less than ideal conditions for the sake of saying “I grew a weed plant”.
 
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BuddingHorticulturist said:
I tried telling him- you don’t wanna get 4 weeks into flower and have mold forming on your buds because you were too cheap to buy a dehumidifier and exhaust fan.
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Yes, i am looking for information that's why i am here and asking questions. And if you want to help me i'd prefer other than "google it". Because i did and that's why i am here. But there are multiple ways of fixing a problem and i'm just trying to fix mine. Also i completely understand the explanations that were given to me by others. That's not to say i'm not thankful for your time, however i do not wish you behave in such an under meaning manner, especially when you yourself have a bit to learn. Anybody who thinks that they know everything is wrong :D. Something to think about.

Thank you guys so much, i shall try it and see how it goes. Oh and to be honest technically this isn't my first growing. I planted a bead i got from friends weed. Short and sweet, grew high, died fast XD. So it's definitely going to go better than then.
 
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PakkiTheDog said:
Yes, i am looking for information that's why i am here and asking questions. And if you want to help me i'd prefer other than "google it". Because i did and that's why i am here. But there are multiple ways of fixing a problem and i'm just trying to fix mine. Also i completely understand the explanations that were given to me by others. That's not to say i'm not thankful for your time, however i do not wish you behave in such an under meaning manner, especially when you yourself have a bit to learn. Anybody who thinks that he knows everything is wrong :D. Something to think about.

Thank you guys so much, i shall try it and see how it goes. Oh and to be honest technically this isn't my first growing. I planted a bead i got from friends weed. Short and sweet, grew high, died fast XD. So it's definitely going to go better than then.
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Again, you must have missed the multiple paragraphs of information I provided you over the last several days where I stressed the importance of automated climate control and lights, nutrients, pH considerations, and even provided you with a link for the exact light I use.

but yeah, I gave you no information other than “google it”.

good luck with your grow!
 
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PakkiTheDog said:
Oh marvellous, thank you so much, i'll try it. How about watering? I know it depends on many things, but from your own experience how often and how many liters/galons does it take?
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Typically, my plants require feeding every two days after they've been transplanted to their final three gallon pots. I feed about a 1/2 gallon of mixture per plant. I go by pot weight. My smaller plants (planted clones and young seedlings) in one gallon pots require watering at the same frequency, but much less mixture.

I use only HID lamps (400W in veg, and 600W and a 1000W in my flower tents). My cloner tent runs a 240W LED, but that's irrelevant in this case as I don't feed anything in my aero cloner.

It's an experience thing to know when to water the plants. You'll gain that knowledge as you get a few grows under your belt, then it's very easy to spot when you're over/under watering.
 
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BuddingHorticulturist said:
Again, you must have missed the multiple paragraphs of information I provided you over the last several days where I stressed the importance of automated climate control and lights, nutrients, pH considerations, and even provided you with a link for the exact light I use.

but yeah, I gave you no information other than “google it”.

good luck with your grow!
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No but i don't like your undermining deminer when you don't even know what horse manure is used for. Telling me if i ever planted anything. Also if you want to win an argument, avoiding topics, being insulting and trying to group everybody against somebody doesn't always work. Neither does having the final word. However there is a way to win, and that is by giving less shit about the argument than somebody else. Now lets go smoke some weed, i know i certainly will.
 
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PakkiTheDog said:
No but i don't like your undermining deminer when you don't even know what horse manure is used for. Telling me if i ever planted anything. Also if you want to win an argument, avoiding topics, being insulting and trying to group everybody against somebody doesn't always work. Neither does having the final word. However there is a way to win, and that is by giving less shit about the argument than somebody else. Now lets go smoke some weed, i know i certainly will.
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Well horse manure would be more effective outdoors as it's got a good amount of carbon it takes a long time to decompose into nutrients. Indoor i would recommend soluble fertilizers such as 20-20-20
 
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PakkiTheDog said:
No but i don't like your undermining deminer when you don't even know what horse manure is used for. Telling me if i ever planted anything. Also if you want to win an argument, avoiding topics, being insulting and trying to group everybody against somebody doesn't always work. Neither does having the final word. However there is a way to win, and that is by giving less shit about the argument than somebody else. Now lets go smoke some weed, i know i certainly will.
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You might be smoking weed, but you’ll be smoking someone else’s unless you take the advice I provided you for what it is. Good, sound advice.

And why would I answer your question about horse manure when you’re full of enough of it anyways?

im not being demeaning just telling you the truth. Apparently (in my Jack Nicholson voice) “you cant handle the truth”
 
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BuddingHorticulturist said:
Again, you must have missed the multiple paragraphs of information I provided you over the last several days where I stressed the importance of automated climate control and lights, nutrients, pH considerations, and even provided you with a link for the exact light I use.

but yeah, I gave you no information other than “google it”.

good luck with your grow!
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Lol just read this thread and you did give some sound advice, I wouldn't waste my time anymore as whatever you say to him he will still end up growing in that room with photography lights he will be bringing in and out every 18 hours and growing in dirt from his back yard, not checking PH and just said he already grew out a seed and it died, well guess what the same thing is going to happen here!
 
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MrGreenFingers99 said:
Lol just read this thread and you did give some sound advice, I wouldn't waste my time anymore as whatever you say to him he will still end up growing in that room with photography lights he will be bringing in and out every 18 hours and growing in dirt from his back yard, not checking PH and just said he already drew out a seed and it died, well guess what the same thing is going to happen here!
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thanks bro! Glad I’m not retarded or crazy. Apparently because I’m a self admitted newbie I must not have any useful information or knowledge. Apparently my progress at day 33 on my first grow is solely attributed to luck and not the vast amount of work and research I did to ensure the best results I could possibly get.
 

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