flower power with pics 36 0n 12 off

lol, hmmmmm yeah i believe you Sven

i use a carbon based liquid you can get it at a pet store it is used for growing udnerwater plants that dont have c02. all living thing on earth are carbon based they dont have to gather there carbon from the air it can be taken up thru the root system to. i have always used it and never had a problem.

as far as genetic yes u can only get a plant to what it is capable of but you can push it to do its best and u can get more bud sites and denser buds i have had nl's that make rock hard buds indoors take clones of the same plant and the flowers turn out airy and leafy out doors. my point of this thread isnt to push this on anyone its just to say it can be done im sure its not for every strain. everything i read about auto flowers says a 12/12 will hurt the yeild so it would have to benfit those esp for people with limited space that would like to run the together with something else i just started some lr2's and purple jems maybe il do a sideby side some in the 36/12 and some in my veg 24/7 see if i can see a dif

36/12 light schedule and liquid carbon to the roots, this thread will be big one way or another.

Those are actually really nice plants, so tight and full of growth at every potential spot. Branching looks like an outdoor plant!

you think activated carbon (fish filter carbon) would have any effect if i mixed it in my soil medium?

hmm i have no idea fuzz. im not sure if the roots could break it down or not. i dont think it would hurt anything to try it its only carbon it wouldnt seem to me to be any dif than perlite being added. and it was usable to the plants it could prove to be a good way to recycle an old air scrubber

let you know how it turns out. gonna do a side by side

yeah go for it i have always heard of people putting ashes in the gardens as i am not for sure the reason but you might want to look into it first maybe soak some in some ph'ed water first and check for ph drift

ashes is potash, the k in npk

HottFuzz said:

you think activated carbon (fish filter carbon) would have any effect if i mixed it in my soil medium?

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if the carbon wasnt spent it may soak up nutes?

here is some proof that theres more than just 12/12 to flower!..good shit man! ..any plants ever go hermie on you?

i'm realy likeing this thread
i rarely read threw a whole thread everyones post

1. some of us don't have $$ the way you do, so if there is a reason why we are spending more cash we wantto know why
2. this is some cool shit
i'm blown away by this i have to see this to the end
you said your next grow will be auto's with this light sch. i would rather see you do more regular grows like this, this way scientificly we can have more data on the + factor on this type of grow, maybe do soil

instinctivly i think that this will end in a higher yeild
my instincts also tell me that this way of growing would slow down the grow and take longer to harvest


this sounds like a gr8 way to start from seed for grower that are height restricted

mega +rep for stepping out on the edge and documenting eveything
you my friend are a ture Potanist
keep the science alive and true

gnome no i have never had a herm and i have even tried this run to i had some in soil off to the side i let go a month longer and still couldnt get a nanner i might give some of that silver stuff a try i just havent found enough info on it yet

that no im not just running autos i was just saying that someone with limited space running reg strains and autos might like this ligh cycle the next sog will probly be a flat of the white berry and the strawberry blue i have like 15 strains going ill probly do a mixed 1 to fig out what the next runs will be from what i read ill probly have to run the blueberry by themself due to nute issues. i have a few strains of tga but they way they r growing im thinking they might be better for outside

oh yeah and here is the liquid carbon i use the pet store is ur friend

Flourish Excel is a simple source of readily available organic carbon. All plants require a source of carbon. This is typically obtained from CO2, but, may also be obtained via relatively simple organic compounds (such as photosynthetic intermediates). Since both processes occur simultaneously one can derive a substantial benefit with the use of Flourish Excel either alone or in conjunction with CO2 injection. Flourish Excel also has iron reducing properties which promote the ferrous state of iron (Fe+2), which is more easily utilized by plants than ferric iron (Fe+3). Flourish Excel is recommended for use with the entire family of Flourish products as well as our gravel, Flourite, our GH builder, Equilibrium, and our non-phosphate buffers, Acid Buffer ™ and Alkaline Buffer.

Instructions:
On initial use or after a major water change, use 10 mL for every 80 Liters (20 gallons). Thereafter use 1 mL for every 40 Liters (10 gallons) daily or every other day. Use the enclosed dispenser to measure 1 mL (top mark). For larger volume tanks, note that 1 capful = 5 mL.

Specifications:
250 mL will treat 50 gallons for 1-2 months

sven deisel said:

ok this is a flood and drain hydro with perlite as the med. sog style this is on a light cycle of 36 on 12 off the first 3 r at 5 weeks

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I see no real botanical value with that photoperiod. What you have is a longer than average light period, might as well go with a 24/0 or do what I do, go with a 20/4. Whatever works for you though, it's all about finding a plant's light saturation point and not going beyond it.

UB

yeah cause 24/0 going to flower the hell out of them

sven deisel said:

oh yeah and here is the liquid carbon i use the pet store is ur friend

Flourish Excel is a simple source of readily available organic carbon. All plants require a source of carbon. This is typically obtained from CO2, but, may also be obtained via relatively simple organic compounds (such as photosynthetic intermediates). Since both processes occur simultaneously one can derive a substantial benefit with the use of Flourish Excel either alone or in conjunction with CO2 injection. Flourish Excel also has iron reducing properties which promote the ferrous state of iron (Fe+2), which is more easily utilized by plants than ferric iron (Fe+3). Flourish Excel is recommended for use with the entire family of Flourish products as well as our gravel, Flourite, our GH builder, Equilibrium, and our non-phosphate buffers, Acid Buffer ™ and Alkaline Buffer.

Instructions:
On initial use or after a major water change, use 10 mL for every 80 Liters (20 gallons). Thereafter use 1 mL for every 40 Liters (10 gallons) daily or every other day. Use the enclosed dispenser to measure 1 mL (top mark). For larger volume tanks, note that 1 capful = 5 mL.

Specifications:
250 mL will treat 50 gallons for 1-2 months

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very interesting
i hvae to look in to this to see if this work i will start a new thread on it

So have you done 12/12 before? If so, im guessing 36/12 ended up with a better yield. By how much? If there is a significant yield difference, I might try experimenting with it myself. Also, what strain do you grow? (or multiple different ones?)

What I think is if they are still triggered into flowering, 36/12 has to be good. If light is what gives them energy, and they are getting an extra 24 hours of sunlight with every dark period, then yes this has to increase yield and growth. The only question I have, is if the flowering time is off. If the flowering time, lets say is 60 days, and you are doing 36/12 vs 12/12, if they are both 60 days til ripe, then here is the math: 36/12 = 1080 hours of total sunlight, 12/12 = 720 hours of total sunlight. So according to the numbers, if flowering time from the start of the schedule to the finish, 36/12 WILL YIELD bigger fatter buds. Numbers aren't going to lie. So what is average flowering time for you?

yeah i would not be suprized if this makes the buds fatter

Photosynthesis
is a process that converts carbon dioxide into organic compounds, especially sugars, using the energy from sunlight.

..............meaning this guy may be on to something
the only draw back based on this deff. is the plants may use up more nutes and co2
i bet with this 36/12 method if you put the co2 ppm's up to 2000 and give extra nutes thi would make hella fat nugs think about it
its like a fat bitch that sits at a buffet all day long she has every thing she needs water plenty of food love noval to read a bathroom and a place to sleep