Fuck it/Enough is Enough

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
the same people who thought they would stroll into russia and be met with open arms and laurels? the same people who sold the equipment their soldiers needed on ebay for vodka money? the same people who made false reports for years and got away with it till the shit hit the fan? i wouldn't trust them to provide security for a church picnic on a sunny day
What indication do you have that his inner security is that unprofessional? We’re not talking the standard substandard conscripts who are dying in Ukraine.
 

HGCC

Well-Known Member
Mostly agree about killing a stranger, but what about killing the family members of a general, or Putin? Also agree there's really no such thing as justice when life is taken, but what might a person be entitled to? And what these thoughts really boil down to is, the sickening dichotomy between Putin and all his stolen wealth sitting fat dumb and happy, compared to someone that's had their family murdered by him. It easier for him to bring loss to others when nobody's brought any in return. Someone needs to bring that pain to him.
It gets dicey in terms of something like a top general or putin. I can't justify it, but yeah, if I was in the shoes of a Ukrainian, I would feel perfectly justified killing their families. If I had to give explanation, you could make a solid argument the family members directly benefit from the harms caused.

Just to clarify, in this context, I am referring to justice as the mechanism or modifier that makes doing violence and harm to someone morally acceptable. The person on the receiving end needs to be solidly tied to the act. That's where I am making that distinction between it being wrong and just regular old murder to go kill a random from the other team. I don't think the families of rank and file soldiers benefit enough to tie them to the wrongs. I also don't think simply being from a country ties you to its actions, we benefit from terrible things America has done broadly speaking but I can't say we are responsible for it....we just get cheaper fruit or whatever, the real benefits wind up with very few. The families of those at the very top do benefit quite a bit from the terrible acts, so I think there is enough there to connect them with the wrong done...as such they are fair game for being part of whatever justice is dealt out.

It's morally wrong for some teenage Russian conscript to kill your family. You are justified in killing that dude. However, it would be equally wrong and essentially the same act to go kill a random Russian. They aren't tied to the harm done. It wouldn't be moral or justice to kill the family of that Russian conscript, same immoral act they committed, but I do understand.
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
i'm not talking about a military strike, i'm talking about a grieving, righteously pissed off father and husband who has had his family not only murdered by putin's order, but knows they were defiled while it was happening....i'm talking about retribution on a personal level.
If my family had been killed by the russians and i knew where to find either or both of putin's daughters, they wouldn't last the day

Advocating for the rape and murder of Putin's daughters is akin to racism in that it seeks to place blame on a person due to a category they fall into, rather than on individual guilt.

I'm a little ashamed of you, advocating for rape and murder of the innocent.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
Mostly agree about killing a stranger, but what about killing the family members of a general, or Putin? Also agree there's really no such thing as justice when life is taken, but what might a person be entitled to? And what these thoughts really boil down to is, the sickening dichotomy between Putin and all his stolen wealth sitting fat dumb and happy, compared to someone that's had their family murdered by him. It easier for him to bring loss to others when nobody's brought any in return. Someone needs to bring that pain to him.
I hope Finland and Sweden vote for NATO to fuck with that midget..it won't happen because GOP, France and Germany. Incidentally, that painful process has begun. We touched the daughters and his response was interesting..nervous and it got to him.
 

mooray

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I was forced to make that argument back in high school on some mock WW2 trial. I had to play the part of the lawyer defending the dropping of the atomic bombs, which personally I disagreed with, but was still able to mount a decent defense similar to what you've described.
Yeah man it's one of things that you don't like and makes you feel sick inside, but you also understand it.
 

mooray

Well-Known Member
I hope Finland and Sweden vote for NATO to fuck with that midget..it won't happen because GOP, France and Germany. Incidentally, that painful process has begun. We touched the daughters and his response was interesting..nervous and it got to him.
If they follow through and if there were a ww3, that would almost certainly make the wiki page 100 years from now when people google "what started ww3?".
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
Yeah i remember a lotta fish. Parents weren’t at all devout, one of each, we did it appx Catholic.
What is the meaning behind Good Friday?


For Christians and Catholics, Good Friday is the day that celebrates the most crucial day in the history of their religious beliefs. On Good Friday, Jesus willingly suffered and died by crucifixion ad the ultimate sacrifice for humanity's scenes
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
What is the meaning behind Good Friday?


For Christians and Catholics, Good Friday is the day that celebrates the most crucial day in the history of their religious beliefs. On Good Friday, Jesus willingly suffered and died by crucifixion ad the ultimate sacrifice for humanity's scenes
In German it is Karfreitag which can be approximated by Friday of lamentation.
 
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