bravedave
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Without looking it up, i think tithing represents a drop in the bucket in the last 150 yrs ir so. Was going to ask what century Mr. Rice lived in. ?? In any case, I don't think anyone is kicked out of a church for not.
Generosity, it's a Christian thing
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Darth Vapour
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here good read
The study found that 65% of religiously-affiliated people donate to congregations or charitable organizations. (More on that statistic later.) 80% of Americans are religiously affiliated. And 65% of 80% is just about… 55% of the total. In other words, the religious people who are giving say they’re giving because of religion. And they’re overwhelmingly giving to religion as well.
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Probably the most notable statistics, though, are those which compare religious and non-religious philanthropy. Religion is supposed to make us better people, which includes, I assume, being more generous. So, is it the case that religious people give more generously than the non-religious?
Well, yes and no. Remember that statistic, that 65% of religious people donate to charity? The non-religious figure is 56%. But according to the study, the entire 9% difference is attributed to religious giving to congregations and religious organizations. So, yes, religion causes people to give more — to religion itself.
A lot of religious giving, then, is self-serving, in the guise of helping others. Often, the donations benefit their faith.
The study found that 65% of religiously-affiliated people donate to congregations or charitable organizations. (More on that statistic later.) 80% of Americans are religiously affiliated. And 65% of 80% is just about… 55% of the total. In other words, the religious people who are giving say they’re giving because of religion. And they’re overwhelmingly giving to religion as well.
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Probably the most notable statistics, though, are those which compare religious and non-religious philanthropy. Religion is supposed to make us better people, which includes, I assume, being more generous. So, is it the case that religious people give more generously than the non-religious?
Well, yes and no. Remember that statistic, that 65% of religious people donate to charity? The non-religious figure is 56%. But according to the study, the entire 9% difference is attributed to religious giving to congregations and religious organizations. So, yes, religion causes people to give more — to religion itself.
A lot of religious giving, then, is self-serving, in the guise of helping others. Often, the donations benefit their faith.
Donations to religious congregations — primarily for religious activity or spiritual development — represent about two fifths of household giving nationally…
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“Much of what has previously been thought of one-dimensionally as giving to ‘secular’ purposes actually goes to religiously identified organizations,”said report co-author Dr. Mark Ottoni-Wilhelm, professor of economics and philanthropic studies at the Lilly Family School of Philanthropy. He added that innovative research methods allowed for a clearer picture of the way religious ties shape the giving landscape.
It’s not like there aren’t secular alternatives to religious charities. There’s no shortage of secular groups that feed the hungry and house the poor and fight for the under-privileged. But religious people aren’t giving to those groups as much as they’re giving to groups that do good while also proselytizing. (Which means some of that money being donated is going toward spreading the faith, not actually helping other people.)
In any case, we now have even more proof that religion doesn’t make you any more likely to be generous or willing to help other people. What religious people have that people like us don’t are excellent vessels for giving. But if we can offer secular ways to give (insert plug for Foundation Beyond Belief), there’s no reason our numbers can’t match theirs — and be more cost-effective at the same time.
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“Much of what has previously been thought of one-dimensionally as giving to ‘secular’ purposes actually goes to religiously identified organizations,”said report co-author Dr. Mark Ottoni-Wilhelm, professor of economics and philanthropic studies at the Lilly Family School of Philanthropy. He added that innovative research methods allowed for a clearer picture of the way religious ties shape the giving landscape.
It’s not like there aren’t secular alternatives to religious charities. There’s no shortage of secular groups that feed the hungry and house the poor and fight for the under-privileged. But religious people aren’t giving to those groups as much as they’re giving to groups that do good while also proselytizing. (Which means some of that money being donated is going toward spreading the faith, not actually helping other people.)
In any case, we now have even more proof that religion doesn’t make you any more likely to be generous or willing to help other people. What religious people have that people like us don’t are excellent vessels for giving. But if we can offer secular ways to give (insert plug for Foundation Beyond Belief), there’s no reason our numbers can’t match theirs — and be more cost-effective at the same time.
Darth Vapour
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Bottom line sure there generous to there faith and spreading it other words they wouldn't give you a dime if you were short a dime for bus fare cheap kunts 
The_Herban_Legend
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Bottom line sure there generous to there faith and spreading it other words they wouldn't give you a dime if you were short a dime for bus fare cheap kunts
lol
Typical bullshit from a small mind.
bravedave
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Again, an ignorant statement madeBottom line sure there generous to there faith and spreading it other words they wouldn't give you a dime if you were short a dime for bus fare cheap kunts
by someone whose religiosity is defined by watching TV. I probably have similar views on the fairy tale, but obviously have spent more time than you amongst believers and can tell you straight up, that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about as it concerns who they generally are. So, you ought to stick to things you actually know about.
Darth Vapour
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Oh really who are they but little sheepish people believing in some Fairy tale could you honestly tell us when was Jesus born ??? where is his body how come the bible has been changed and when is the next revised version coming out lol
The_Herban_Legend
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bravedave
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Doubling down on your ignorance, when a "wow Dave, I AM transparently clueless about actual religious people, how did you know?" Would have saved you some face.
UncleBuck
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please point out the part where i was embarrassed.
his unattributed copy and pastes from alex jones really showed a lot of thought.
then why is sweden, full of atheists and liberals, the most generous nation on earth?
you hate reality, and reality fucking hates you.
UncleBuck
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UncleBuck
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you're a pretty obvious bible thumper, actually.
Darth Vapour
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yo brave
Padawanbater2
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Darth Vapour
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bravedave
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I love that guy.
desert dude
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abandonconflict
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To cause exacerbation of natural change is to cause change to the natural order. I'm not completely against semantic arguments, but this looks like a semantic fallacy.
abandonconflict
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Categorically false. The recent increase of over 100 PPM in just over a century would have taken thousands of years at the least and more likely tens of thousands to add to or be sequestered from the atmosphere by nonhuman sources. It's true that our annual addition to the carbon cycle is but a small percentage of the carbon cycle itself but the fact is that we have caused an increase of over 30% in a very short time. Temperature increases have correlated to this increase of CO2 in the atmosphere such that the theory has withstood criticism from experts. It is now obvious that very few experts dissent from the findings based on existing evidence. When they do, they're almost always being funded by the hydrocarbon industry. It is definitely getting warmer, with hotter extremes and the cold seasons shorter and it is definitely being caused by manmade CO2 emissions.
ChesusRice
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LOLBottom line sure there generous to there faith and spreading it other words they wouldn't give you a dime if you were short a dime for bus fare cheap kunts
Salvation army strongly recommends that the people they are helping (especially women with children living there) attend services.
And homeless shelters in Madison always have something extra for the clients who attend church