Goin Loco, First Colorado Medical Grow, Lots of Learnin

it is KC Brains Northern Lights Special, 2004 cannabis cup winner

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Wow. This thread was extremely helpful and keeping it for reference. Great job on Matilda

riddleme said:

it is KC Brains Northern Lights Special, 2004 cannabis cup winner

Thanks for watchin

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thanks bro

I may have accendentally discovered a Super Tonic plant food, though I didn't invent it, let me explain,,,,,,,,,,,,

As I said yesterday I fed Matilda with a mixture of Jack's Bloom, Molasses and H202, I let it set out over night (approx 26 hours)

Subsequentially, I had posted in a thread about using H202 and My friend Shrubs, who has a degree in horticulture intervened and explain it was harmful as it kills the beneficial microbes in the soil. We discussed it and I agreed I would stop, I had only done it the one time and concluded it would be ok. I must say that my research leading me to think H202 (hydrogen peroxcide) came from gardening websites (not always factful) and that most of its accepted uses are for killing bacteria and fungus.

That should have been the end of the story but it wasn't, when lights came on this morning I did my normal check and was blown away, ALL my buds had grown at least 1/4 inch fatter and the soil was dry? I said to myself WTF? I just watered. Ok , so I watered again with just plain water and she took an extra 1/2 quart (from normal) to get run off (run off tested 6.8 ph, no prob there).

I'm sitting here thinking what if the mixture of the 3 items had some chemical reaction? I began to research and found that mixing H202 w/molasses was used as an insecticide, still killing things? That mixed with iron (Jack's has iron in it) it is used to treat waste water, still killing things? But in reading an explanation of the process, it worked because mixing H202 & Iron released free radicals, which I do not proclaim to understand? I have also read in gardening forums that many make a molasses tea by puting an airstone in the brew and exciting oxygen molecules in the water for beter results. So I am thinking now that the reaction created by the mixture had some how performed a similar reaction? After all it bubbled for hours, why I said it looked like soda (coke)

I came across another garden site (all organic) that had this on it

6) What are some examples of organic fertilizers: seaweed, fish emulsion, humates, molasses, bone meal, corn gluten meal, greensand, lava sand, epsom salt, compost, mulches, worm castings, chicken manure, gypsum, hydrogen peroxide, lime, sul-po-mag, minerals, and more.

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found here,
http://www.basic-info-4-organic-fertilizers.com/

listing H202 as an organic fert, I'm confused now, this goes against what Shrubs has told me and what previous research uncovered, WTF? (I keep scratchin my head) I looked for hours still unsatisfied to find some kind of explanation, when low & behold I found an old 2008 thread on RIU where a guy had read an agricultural article about how rainwater (we all know rainwater is good for MJ) contained H202 and that it was being depleted by air polution causing farmers to supplement thier watering by adding H202 (food grade 35%) to thier crops. So he started adding it to his grow and was doing the same thing, every other watering he was mixing his fert (not Jack's) molasses and H202. I followed his grow (25 pages) his plants were awesome and he harvested over 7oz's off of 6 plants with only CFL's and Flouro's with 3 inch wide colas (would have had more but biggest cola got molded)

link to grow,
https://www.rollitup.org/cfl-growing/72698-1st-grow-30-days-cfl.html

he starts talking about the H202 on page 3 I believe.

However this was the original quote that led me to his grow, as he was answering a question some one had asked

Thats a good question beeharp. I just started adding molasses myself. I am always afraid of overdoing things and putting too much "stuff" in the water.
I use- apple cider vinegar (to bring down the ph) just a few drops per gallon, I also add nutes, epsom salt, peroxide. But I dont use all that stuff evertime I water. I've been doing ACV, nutes, & epsom salt one watering, and then ACV, H2O2, and molasses the next.
1/2 strength nutes, 1/4 teaspoon of epsom salt, 2 cap fulls of H2O2, and 1 tablespoon molasses. This is all added to tap water that has been sitting out for a few days. So far so good, everythings going well. Plants are all green top to bottom.

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His results were phenominal IMO, I say go look at his plants he has great pics of everything, under CFL's & Flouro's (though he says it's 850 watts total, actually a nice setup)

So, to sum up, I have decided to continue my Super Tonic experiment to see what happens? I just wish that I had another plant so I could do a side by side comparison, perhaps others following this are set up and might try it to prove that this indeed a beneficial thing for our plants by doing just one plant in thier garden to compare?

Oh yeah I did not find the ag article but I found this written by a phd Dr.

Helps Plants
It is this hydrogen peroxide in rainwater that makes it so much more effective than tap water when given to plants. With the increased levels of atmospheric pollution, however, greater amounts of H202 react with air-borne toxins and never reach the ground. To compensate for this, many farmers have been increasing crop yields by spraying them with diluted hydrogen peroxide (5 to 16 ounces of 35% mixed with 20 gallons of water per acre). You can achieve the same beneficial effect with your house plants by adding 1 ounce of 3% hydrogen peroxide (or 16 drops of 35% solution) to every quart of water you give your plants. (It can also be made into an excellent safe insecticide. Simply spray your plants with 8 ounces of 3% peroxide mixed with 8 ounces of white sugar and one gallon of water.)

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found here,
http://www.educate-yourself.org/cancer/benefitsofhydrogenperozide17jul03.shtml

with the pics I have tried to take the same (similar) pics as I did yesterday to compare not sure you'll see the same thing I am seeing?
So am going to repost a few of yesterdays with todays side by side.

Opinions???

Hey Riddle,

On H2O2, I use it in my hydro op to keep everything nice and clean but it's benefit in soil in not as great. You are correct that it kills bacteria, all bacteria, including the beneficals that are needed to break down organic material in the soil. It does work really well to help if you have been overwatering and need to help a small case of rootrot as it will make your roots nice and white again from oxidation.

That said, i'm pretty sure your fert is not organic based and therefore reliant on beneficial bacteria anyway. You will however need em to break down the molasses you u using. BTW, you have plenty of lush, carbo producing leaves so i'm betting the added sugars won't be much benefit to you. The plant looks like its already getting what it needs.

Grow on!

Correct, my ferts are not organic and niether was the ferts used in that 2008 grow I mentioned (I think he was using MG)

So I easily concur, that this tonic would not be organic and that could be what makes it work?

I'm still questioning and searching, but can not ignore what I'm seeing or the quality of that 2008 grow?

I'd say if it works, use it. Especially if you let it sit overnight. H202 breaks down into o2 in the water in a matter of minutes anyway.

Hello friend,
I've read your whole journal and I believe that you may be breaking some new ground, ha ha but what do I know I know that so far on one light your plant seems to be doing very well indeed no arguement there KEEP-UP the good work.

zoso914

P.S. U ROCK

zoso914 said:

Hello friend,
I've read your whole journal and I believe that you may be breaking some new ground, ha ha but what do I know I know that so far on one light your plant seems to be doing very well indeed no arguement there KEEP-UP the good work.

zoso914

P.S. U ROCK

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Thanks for watchin, as I said earlier trying to get all of this out of my system, I tend to be an over thinker sometimes so all this new research is still swimming in my head. Seems it was much easier 30 years ago

Don't know bout breaking new ground, I'm betting there folks out there doing some of what I'm doing. Mostly I'm trying to weed out the myths.

I think I'm going to start a Debunking Canna-Myths thread. SO many people out there could save so much money.

riddleme said:

Thanks for watchin, as I said earlier trying to get all of this out of my system, I tend to be an over thinker sometimes so all this new research is still swimming in my head. Seems it was much easier 30 years ago

Don't know bout breaking new ground, I'm betting there folks out there doing some of what I'm doing. Mostly I'm trying to weed out the myths.

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Well my friend to tell u the truth I was smokin when you could buy 3fingers of weed for 10$ 5 for 15$.if you know what I mean. That 70's show for real. I feel you on thirty year thing.

I still like the way you think

zoso914

doogleef said:

I think I'm going to start a Debunking Canna-Myths thread. SO many people out there could save so much money.

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Uncle Ben does it every day here is a link to garden myths dispelled

http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda Chalker-Scott/Horticultural Myths_files/index.html

to get ya started

It's another reason I like Mels book so much, he chopped up a bunch of em for me

Oh yeah I posted that in the CO thread so for those reading this
Marijuana Grower's Insider's Guide by Mel Frank

zoso914 said:

Well my friend to tell u the truth I was smokin when you could buy 3fingers of weed for 10$ 5 for 15$.if you know what I mean. That 70's show for real. I feel you on thirty year thing.

I still like the way you think

zoso914

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Hey I remember dime bags too and I was lucky enough to have experienced all the old flavors/strains, was a great time to be alive and young

Hey riddleme I finally have a journal my friend so subscribe my title is Closet Grow/2ndWeek pictures.Awesome grow by the way.

riddleme said:

Thanks for watchin, as I said earlier trying to get all of this out of my system, I tend to be an over thinker sometimes so all this new research is still swimming in my head. Seems it was much easier 30 years ago

Don't know bout breaking new ground, I'm betting there folks out there doing some of what I'm doing. Mostly I'm trying to weed out the myths.

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I like how you think . i 'm still a nube and a dwc man myself. I love the idea of dispelling the myths ,cause there an aweful lot of them . one thing that i read (i think al b fuct wrote this ) find a secessful grower and emulate them to the letter. I say that to say this " you are a secessful grower "and now as emeril would say "lets kick it up a notch " and thats what you are doing here. I wish you nothing but sucess.

AMEN I concur

goofygolfer said:

I like how you think . i 'm still a nube and a dwc man myself. I love the idea of dispelling the myths ,cause there an aweful lot of them . one thing that i read (i think al b fuct wrote this ) find a secessful grower and emulate them to the letter. I say that to say this " you are a secessful grower "and now as emeril would say "lets kick it up a notch " and thats what you are doing here. I wish you nothing but sucess.

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Well to be honest (and humble) there are a lot of really experienced growers here, For DWC I would tell you read everything by Roseman (though he left, his threads are still here) I named several in my first post and got a lot of good info by following thier threads

But I am very happy to have folks following Matildas progress, as it keeps me on my toes

Hello all

with my recent post I have jumped the gun on bud porn so to kick off week 5 I wanted to add some perspective so folks have a solid idea of how she is doing.

Matilda was 6.5 inches tall when I flipped her, she is now 20 inches tall

the biggest cola is 7.5 inches tall with no fluff, full and tight, pic w/lighter so ya can see for yourself and she is as wide as the lighter 1 to 1.25 inches wide.

All the pics are of the big cola, No matter what I end up doing with her, this bud is mine

riddleme said:

Well to be honest (and humble) there are a lot of really experienced growers here, For DWC I would tell you read everything by Roseman (though he left, his threads are still here) I named several in my first post and got a lot of good info by following thier threads

But I am very happy to have folks following Matildas progress, as it keeps me on my toes

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Thanks for the tip , but i have read roseman what has written.His was the first diy/grow faq i read,informative and supreamly helpful. No doubt he's a bubblephonic guru lol. i do some things a little different . (1) i wont use the water pump and feeder tubes again ( roots get tangeled)and that may be becuse i left it in to long (2) i use hid lighting w/technaflora nutes.
Now on to your baby.Man oh man is she looking good she's bulking up nicely. I think you will be pleased with the yeild. I predict more than a zip. Keep up the good work, i'm rootin for you.i 'll be your cornerman lol

Thanks for the sub, and your grow is definitely pro bro, and keep trucking low and slow.