Grain bag to Bulk question...?

canndo

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I will...gotta whole gallon bag of verm I haven't really used...I never cased the cakes from pf tek either...I mist pretty often...what's the benifit/difference

A colonized substrate will absorb little water. All you are doing is keeping it from drying out.


Casing will supply water to the growing mushroom. It will offer a more suitable base ( you dont ruin the substrate when you pick). It gives a better physical basis for pins, it keeps a microclimate. It harbors beneficial microbes. You can manage contamination easier.


You can better orchestrate a quick, collective fruit.

You will most likely be able to get fewer but larger flushes.


People seem to think that 4 or 5 flushes is a good thing, its not.
 

Dapper_Dillinger

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A colonized substrate will absorb little water. All you are doing is keeping it from drying out.


Casing will supply water to the growing mushroom. It will offer a more suitable base ( you dont ruin the substrate when you pick). It gives a better physical basis for pins, it keeps a microclimate. It harbors beneficial microbes. You can manage contamination easier.


You can better orchestrate a quick, collective fruit.

You will most likely be able to get fewer but larger flushes.


People seem to think that 4 or 5 flushes is a good thing, its not.
Bro what do you think is the best spores to use with 6 or 12 jars from midwest grow and fruit them using the method you posted on grow shrooms easy way? I looked at apexspores.com and sporeworks but cant decided and i wanna order them this week if you could give me some advice id be really grateful
 

canndo

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Bro what do you think is the best spores to use with 6 or 12 jars from midwest grow and fruit them using the method you posted on grow shrooms easy way? I looked at apexspores.com and sporeworks but cant decided and i wanna order them this week if you could give me some advice id be really grateful

What ever strikes your fancy. I grew a small number of varieties long long ago...before there were the dozens of different "strains" ( actually land races if that can be applied to mushrooms) and i grow ever more disgusted when i hear the word "strand". Anyway, aside from the sclerotia forming varieties ( which are not cubes), they all grow pretty much the same when it comes to grain and casing.
 

Dapper_Dillinger

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What ever strikes your fancy. I grew a small number of varieties long long ago...before there were the dozens of different "strains" ( actually land races if that can be applied to mushrooms) and i grow ever more disgusted when i hear the word "strand". Anyway, aside from the sclerotia forming varieties ( which are not cubes), they all grow pretty much the same when it comes to grain and casing.
Thanks for the reply I ordered golden teachers from apex spores to noc 6 jars from mid west grow kits, I wanna make them myself but I'm not confident that my old apt and my skills being able to pull off the sterilize possibly a closet but I still have to use the whole house cooking and what not
 

canndo

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Thanks for the reply I ordered golden teachers from apex spores to noc 6 jars from mid west grow kits, I wanna make them myself but I'm not confident that my old apt and my skills being able to pull off the sterilize possibly a closet but I still have to use the whole house cooking and what not

Six jars is too few.
 

Dapper_Dillinger

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The point is failure rate the first time.
I'm prepared for 85% contamination and I will consider my endeavor a success , but I do understand why you say 12 jar min. If I was gonna make everything myself I think the contamination would be much higher
 

canndo

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I'm prepared for 85% contamination and I will consider my endeavor a success , but I do understand why you say 12 jar min. If I was gonna make everything myself I think the contamination would be much higher

Ok, long as you understand the concept.
 
Just checked out apex and seems legit, but I've had mixed results with vendors so I stick to the places I know. Also pretty sure Apex is American. If you are Canadian and don't want to be subject to the scrutiny of international shipping Spores Lab is a Canadian vendor.
 

Dapper_Dillinger

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Just checked out apex and seems legit, but I've had mixed results with vendors so I stick to the places I know. Also pretty sure Apex is American. If you are Canadian and don't want to be subject to the scrutiny of international shipping Spores Lab is a Canadian vendor.
Yea but if your in Canada its all leagal so i dont think it matters, i saw they had and were selling actual mushroom fruits as well in Canada online
 
Mushroom Spores are legal in Canada, but international mail (wherever its coming from/going to) undergoes a lot more scrutiny.

AFAIK anyone selling fruits is not doing so legally, but you are right there are MANY options.
 

Dapper_Dillinger

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I nocd 6 jars on Saturday from midwest grow kits using oven tek and 2 of them are showing contamination one shows alot of green and another shows white and blak with my 3rd blue meanies showing only white spots nothing on my golden teachers yet, i think i fucked up letting them get 2 hot at first up to 90f
 

MY OWN DANK

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Few of em dropped spores last night while I was asleep which I was tryna avoid but oh well...I gotta leave town for a few weeks on Tuesday...I was thinking about sealing up the block in some garbage bags n throwing it in the fridge to shut her down til I get bk...otherwise she's gonna go to waste...would like to hear some opinions on this...I did it once before with some pf cakes n I just dunked em when I got back n thru em in the FC n they did ok...is this the best thing to do considering my situation...I work outta town 28days gone 28home
So that's what I did...sealed up the cake n thru it in the bottom of the fridge...for 30days...shes been bk in the tub for abt a week...and 3rd flush is starting from this sick lookin cake20201017_160955.jpg20201017_160948.jpg20201017_160941.jpg
 

canndo

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I nocd 6 jars on Saturday from midwest grow kits using oven tek and 2 of them are showing contamination one shows alot of green and another shows white and blak with my 3rd blue meanies showing only white spots nothing on my golden teachers yet, i think i fucked up letting them get 2 hot at first up to 90f

Nope.

Temperature of a sealed substrate does not create contamination.


Think about it. If there are no competitive spores in a jar, how can 90 degrees make them appear?

BTW, 90 isn't all that hot. 84 is optimum but short trips to 90 or even higher aren't all that bad.
 
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