GreenNerd's Dry Ice: Advanced Curing Guide

GreenNerd420

Active Member
Dry Ice: Advanced Curing Guide​

*According to The Frank & Rosenthal Guide, anecdotal evidence suggests that freezing improves potency, which is why I got into the process in the first place.*


What is Dry Ice?

"Dry Ice" is frozen Carbon Dioxide (CO2).

CO2 will change from its solid, frozen state to its gaseous state without passing through a liquid state - hence it’s name ‘dry ice’. This process of solid changing to gas is known as Sublimation.

What is Sublimation?

Sublimation is a simple process which depends on the fact that the surface of a frozen solid is actually quite active at the molecular level.

In the case of water ice, water molecules are constantly leaving and binding to the frozen surface. In a moist atmosphere, more water molecules bind to the surface than leave, and ice grows on the surface (e.g frost inside your freezer). In a dry atmosphere however, more water molecules leave the frozen surface than adhere, so the solid dries out. The same process occurs with Dry Ice. As there is a fairly low CO2 content in air, the dry ice sublimes away completely, leaving no residue or liquid - hence its name.

What is Freeze Drying?

Freeze drying (scientific name: Lyophilization) depends upon the process of Sublimation (explained below), and on the fact that like CO2, frozen water at low temperature will go through the process of sublimation under the right conditions.

Dry ice has a very low water content, as it is made up of almost pure CO2. In theory it IS pure, but even from a lab suppliers, it will have a small amount of impurities - these do not matter for our purposes. In effect the dry ice vapour has near zero relative humidity.

Now: (this is the important bit) When material containing water is placed into this almost zero humidity environment, the water molecules are drawn out of the material and into the CO2, raising the relative humidity of the CO2 and lowering the water content of the material. If the CO2 around the material is steadily replenished then the process will continue until all moisture has been removed from the material. All this happens at low temperatures, below the freezing point of water, which means that the material is preserved in a totally ‘fresh’ state.



What are the advantages?

The advantages of this method are increased potency and a 'fresher' taste. As the material is preserved in a totally ‘fresh’ state, the THC glands suffer as little degredation from heat, light and air as is possible. No other drying process preserves the resin glands is such a fresh state as can be achieved with freeze drying.

Can I use a fridge?

You could use a fridge instead of a freezer, but the dry ice would evaporate very quickly so you'd need a lot more of it to dry the buds, hence the expense would rise rapidly. A "cooler" or "ice chest" works best - one of the plastic insulated boxes for food storage when camping. Again - make sure that there are holes so that the gas can escape.

Do I need to prepare the buds?

It's better to partially dry the buds so that they are nearly dry, then finish them off with dry ice. If you use fresh, wet grass then you can expect the process to take much longer and to use more dry ice, pushing the cost up. I find that using partially dry buds in a freezer the dry ice has gone after about 48 hrs. What I do is give them a week of slow dry, then manicure, THEN freeze dry them.

Why should I freeze dry?

Freeze drying is good if you plan to freeze your bud anyway. If you don't want to keep it in the freezer then there isn't a lot to be gained by using the technique, as the 'fresh' thc will rapidly degrade as usual once outside the freezer.

Where Can I get Dry Ice?

You can get dry ice from most lab suppliers (expensive) but many industrial ice houses or ice cream suppliers sell it for considerably less (preferred option) Just try the yellow pages. My Opinion Based on Experience To be honest, in my experience the dry ice cure is a lot of trouble for little benefit, as the final taste isn't as good as you can get by slow drying and glass jar curing. Generally it's greener tasting and somewhat 'minty' due to the remaining chlorophyll. Strangely enough, some people like this minty taste and associate it with strength. (weird, I know - but they do.)

Does it really increase potency?

I have tried comparison by using a control sample, and freeze drying definitely seems to give you a slightly ‘higher’ hit with a ‘mintier’ taste than the jar cure, but the overall strength didn't seem hugely different. It's a connoisseur smoke, perhaps. In a blind test at a party with about thirty people involved it came out about evenly split as to which was the strongest, but that was a subjective test, and was only conducted in a very stoned manner!

Finally! The Instructions!

How Do I Freeze Dry Grass?

*Please read everything above before following these steps. I know it's annoying to read good information, but trust me- You'll be glad you did! It could prevent you from having an accident!

1. Acquire a container (I use a Tupperware box) that is twice as big as the volume of grass you wish to dry.

2. IMPORTANT:Make a few small holes in the lid, to allow the gas to escape.

3. Put equal volumes of bud and dry ice inside, loosely packed, with the dry ice underneath the bud.

4. Put the lid on and make sure it is properly sealed so that the only way for gas to escape is through the holes in the lid.

5. Put the box into a freezer, lid upwards. This is to keep the material as cold as possible, prolonging the sublimation process for as long as possible. The dry ice will begin to sublime pushing all air out of the box and surrounding your buds with bone dry CO2. The totally dry atmosphere will begin drawing water molecules out of the plant material.

6. Check the tub after 24 hours and then every 24 hours until the dry ice has all gone. When the ice is all gone -the buds should be completely dry and smokeable. If you find that they are not quite dry then put some more dry ice into the box, place the lot back in the freezer and wait until they are done.

END

I hope you found this guide useful. I am not the originating author of this, however I have revised and simplified the originating source into a "user" friendly layout.

FYI - I have provided a citation/reference at the beginning of this article.

Be sure to subscribe to me on YouTube. I will be posting a video tutorial on this soon.
 

Unnk

Well-Known Member
Dry Ice: Advanced Curing Guide​

*According to The Frank & Rosenthal Guide, anecdotal evidence suggests that freezing improves potency, which is why I got into the process in the first place.*


What is Dry Ice?

"Dry Ice" is frozen Carbon Dioxide (CO2).

CO2 will change from its solid, frozen state to its gaseous state without passing through a liquid state - hence it’s name ‘dry ice’. This process of solid changing to gas is known as Sublimation.

What is Sublimation?

Sublimation is a simple process which depends on the fact that the surface of a frozen solid is actually quite active at the molecular level.

In the case of water ice, water molecules are constantly leaving and binding to the frozen surface. In a moist atmosphere, more water molecules bind to the surface than leave, and ice grows on the surface (e.g frost inside your freezer). In a dry atmosphere however, more water molecules leave the frozen surface than adhere, so the solid dries out. The same process occurs with Dry Ice. As there is a fairly low CO2 content in air, the dry ice sublimes away completely, leaving no residue or liquid - hence its name.

What is Freeze Drying?

Freeze drying (scientific name: Lyophilization) depends upon the process of Sublimation (explained below), and on the fact that like CO2, frozen water at low temperature will go through the process of sublimation under the right conditions.

Dry ice has a very low water content, as it is made up of almost pure CO2. In theory it IS pure, but even from a lab suppliers, it will have a small amount of impurities - these do not matter for our purposes. In effect the dry ice vapour has near zero relative humidity.

Now: (this is the important bit) When material containing water is placed into this almost zero humidity environment, the water molecules are drawn out of the material and into the CO2, raising the relative humidity of the CO2 and lowering the water content of the material. If the CO2 around the material is steadily replenished then the process will continue until all moisture has been removed from the material. All this happens at low temperatures, below the freezing point of water, which means that the material is preserved in a totally ‘fresh’ state.



What are the advantages?

The advantages of this method are increased potency and a 'fresher' taste. As the material is preserved in a totally ‘fresh’ state, the THC glands suffer as little degredation from heat, light and air as is possible. No other drying process preserves the resin glands is such a fresh state as can be achieved with freeze drying.

Can I use a fridge?

You could use a fridge instead of a freezer, but the dry ice would evaporate very quickly so you'd need a lot more of it to dry the buds, hence the expense would rise rapidly. A "cooler" or "ice chest" works best - one of the plastic insulated boxes for food storage when camping. Again - make sure that there are holes so that the gas can escape.

Do I need to prepare the buds?

It's better to partially dry the buds so that they are nearly dry, then finish them off with dry ice. If you use fresh, wet grass then you can expect the process to take much longer and to use more dry ice, pushing the cost up. I find that using partially dry buds in a freezer the dry ice has gone after about 48 hrs. What I do is give them a week of slow dry, then manicure, THEN freeze dry them.

Why should I freeze dry?

Freeze drying is good if you plan to freeze your bud anyway. If you don't want to keep it in the freezer then there isn't a lot to be gained by using the technique, as the 'fresh' thc will rapidly degrade as usual once outside the freezer.

Where Can I get Dry Ice?

You can get dry ice from most lab suppliers (expensive) but many industrial ice houses or ice cream suppliers sell it for considerably less (preferred option) Just try the yellow pages. My Opinion Based on Experience To be honest, in my experience the dry ice cure is a lot of trouble for little benefit, as the final taste isn't as good as you can get by slow drying and glass jar curing. Generally it's greener tasting and somewhat 'minty' due to the remaining chlorophyll. Strangely enough, some people like this minty taste and associate it with strength. (weird, I know - but they do.)

Does it really increase potency?

I have tried comparison by using a control sample, and freeze drying definitely seems to give you a slightly ‘higher’ hit with a ‘mintier’ taste than the jar cure, but the overall strength didn't seem hugely different. It's a connoisseur smoke, perhaps. In a blind test at a party with about thirty people involved it came out about evenly split as to which was the strongest, but that was a subjective test, and was only conducted in a very stoned manner!

Finally! The Instructions!

How Do I Freeze Dry Grass?

*Please read everything above before following these steps. I know it's annoying to read good information, but trust me- You'll be glad you did! It could prevent you from having an accident!

1. Acquire a container (I use a Tupperware box) that is twice as big as the volume of grass you wish to dry.

2. IMPORTANT:Make a few small holes in the lid, to allow the gas to escape.

3. Put equal volumes of bud and dry ice inside, loosely packed, with the dry ice underneath the bud.

4. Put the lid on and make sure it is properly sealed so that the only way for gas to escape is through the holes in the lid.

5. Put the box into a freezer, lid upwards. This is to keep the material as cold as possible, prolonging the sublimation process for as long as possible. The dry ice will begin to sublime pushing all air out of the box and surrounding your buds with bone dry CO2. The totally dry atmosphere will begin drawing water molecules out of the plant material.

6. Check the tub after 24 hours and then every 24 hours until the dry ice has all gone. When the ice is all gone -the buds should be completely dry and smokeable. If you find that they are not quite dry then put some more dry ice into the box, place the lot back in the freezer and wait until they are done.

END

I hope you found this guide useful. I am not the originating author of this, however I have revised and simplified the originating source into a "user" friendly layout.

FYI - I have provided a citation/reference at the beginning of this article.

Be sure to subscribe to me on YouTube. I will be posting a video tutorial on this soon.

lol i hope people read the fact they you gotta poke holes in the cap otherwise your gonna have a eplosive tupperware top of uncured bud flying everywhere
 

legallyflying

Well-Known Member
Who is going to try this method?
I think the original poster should be obligated to try. the only time the dry ice method would not be a big waste of time and money is if you picked up some super model at the bar, then when you get back to your place you say" hey,you want to get high" and you open the freezer and this polished stainless steel canister automatically lifts up and there is a bunch of co2 smoke falling allover the floor.

That would be kind of dope in a james bond kind of way. Other than that though, the practical applications are on par with pissing in bottles and emptying them in the toilet instead of just pissing in the toilet in the first place.
 

GreenNerd420

Active Member
I've already done it in the past. I didn't document anything from the first time I did it, but I plan on doing it on this next harvest.
 

MrMoores

Well-Known Member
i would love to try this, and yea it is a good read. TO ME the implications are pretty staggering i mean at a commercial level you could dry 10 times more weed using a tenth of the space in nothing like as long as usual, if i was turning over enough bud i would DEFO use this, could you not just punch holes in the top of a chest freezer? or does it have to be inside a container inside a freezer?
also u could cram that shit in if u wanted bud rot would nt have a chance, im nearing the cropping of some blues and to think i could have that shit dry in 2 days sounds good. im gunna try my hardest to get hold of some and do a test on some thats been dry-frozen and some that hasnt, can u just give me some bullit points of advice u think i should take in
 

GreenNerd420

Active Member
i would love to try this, and yea it is a good read. TO ME the implications are pretty staggering i mean at a commercial level you could dry 10 times more weed using a tenth of the space in nothing like as long as usual, if i was turning over enough bud i would DEFO use this, could you not just punch holes in the top of a chest freezer? or does it have to be inside a container inside a freezer?
also u could cram that shit in if u wanted bud rot would nt have a chance, im nearing the cropping of some blues and to think i could have that shit dry in 2 days sounds good. im gunna try my hardest to get hold of some and do a test on some thats been dry-frozen and some that hasnt, can u just give me some bullit points of advice u think i should take in
I have not tried any alternate method, but you are welcome to post any pics of your attempts on here. I'm curious to see how it comes out! I would stick to the guide for the first round. Then deviate.
 

thatsam

Member
I can bet this makes your smoke taste great if you do it perfect. Maybe a 3-step: hanging, jars and freeze dry method? If you have the money for the dry ice you should put the container in your grow room so your plants get the Co2...
 
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